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Spiritual Quotes by Schrödinger and Heisenberg (QM founders)
    #16552834 - 07/19/12 03:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Erwin Rudolf Josef Alexander Schrödinger (play /ˈʃroʊdɪŋər/; German: [ˈɛʁviːn ˈʃʁøːdɪŋɐ]; 12 August 1887 – 4 January 1961), was an Austrian who as a physicist became one of the founders of quantum mechanics. His important contributions, especially the Schrödinger equation, resulted in his being awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1933. Two years later he proposed the thought experiment known as Schrödinger's cat, famous among physicists.[2] He also wrote on philosophy and theoretical biology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger





Some quotes by one of the founders of QM.

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Thus you can throw yourself flat on the ground, stretched out upon Mother Earth, with certain conviction that you are one with her and she with you ... For eternally and always there is only now, one and the same now; the present is the only thing that has no end.


No self is of itself alone.

Nirvana is a state of pure blissful knowledge... It has nothing to do with the individual. The ego or its separation is an illusion.

I insist upon the view that 'all is waves'.

Multiplicity is only apparent, in truth, there is only one mind...

Consciousness is never experienced in the plural, only in the singular. Not only has none of us ever experienced more than one consciousness, but there is also no trace of circumstantial evidence of this ever happening anywhere in the world. If I say that there cannot be more than one consciousness in the same mind, this seems a blunt tautology — we are quite unable to imagine the contrary...

In itself, the insight is not new. The earliest records, to my knowledge, date back some 2500 years or more... the recognition ATMAN = BRAHMAN (the personal self equals the omnipresent, all-comprehending eternal self) was in Indian thought considered, far from being blasphemous, to represent the quintessence of deepest insight into the happenings of the world.

The plurality that we perceive is only an appearance; it is not real.

We must therefore not be discouraged by the difficulty of interpreting life by the ordinary laws of physics. For that is just what is to be expected from the knowledge we have gained of the structure of living matter. We must also be prepared to find a new type of physical law prevailing in it. Or are we to term it a non-physical, not to say a super-physical, law?


    It seems plain and self-evident, yet it needs to be said: the isolated knowledge obtained by a group of specialists in a narrow field has in itself no value whatsoever, but only in its synthesis with all the rest of knowledge and only inasmuch as it really contributes in this synthesis toward answering the demand, "Who are we?"

The world is given to me only once, not one existing and one perceived. Subject and object are only one.

The material world has only been constructed at the price of taking the self, that is, mind, out of it, removing it; mind is not part of it...

Matter and energy seem granular in structure, and so does 'life', but not so mind.

This life of yours which you are living is not merely a piece of this entire existence, but in a certain sense the whole; only this whole is not so constituted that it can be surveyed in one single glance.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger





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Re: Spiritual Quotes by Erwin Schrödinger (QM founder) [Re: teknix]
    #16553042 - 07/19/12 05:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Fuck he was smart.


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Re: Spiritual Quotes by Erwin Schrödinger (QM founder) [Re: circastes]
    #16553052 - 07/19/12 05:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I didn't know he was spiritual too! The first quote was my favorite by him.


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Re: Spiritual Quotes by Erwin Schrödinger (QM founder) [Re: teknix]
    #16553065 - 07/19/12 05:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

isnt this they guy that discovered a great truth while fucking a girl in the mountain sunset?



what is life? was an interesting read


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Re: Spiritual Quotes by Erwin Schrödinger (QM founder) [Re: venetianblinds]
    #16553401 - 07/19/12 09:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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isnt this they guy that discovered a great truth while fucking a girl in the mountain sunset?








Yes, but it was a man. 
And herpes.


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Re: Spiritual Quotes by Erwin Schrödinger (QM founder) [Re: venetianblinds]
    #16554791 - 07/19/12 04:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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isnt this they guy that discovered a great truth while fucking a girl in the mountain sunset?



what is life? was an interesting read




I'm not sure venetian, I would be interested to hear more about it!

I didn't even realize he was so spiritual up until early this morning.


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Re: Spiritual Quotes by Erwin Schrödinger (QM founder) [Re: teknix]
    #16554823 - 07/19/12 04:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Now presenting another founder of QM, Werner Heisenberg:

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Werner Karl Heisenberg (5 December 1901 – 1 February 1976) was a German theoretical physicist and philosopher who discovered (1925) a way to formulate quantum mechanics in terms of matrices. For that discovery, he was awarded the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1932. In 1927 he published his uncertainty principle, upon which he built his philosophy and for which he is best known.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Heisenberg





Here are some cool quotes from Werner Heisenberg that I found interesting.

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“The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.”


“Quantum theory provides us with a striking illustration of the fact that we can fully understand a connection though we can only speak of it in images and parables.”

“The reality we can put into words is never reality itself.”

“What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning.”

“Not only is the Universe stranger than we think, it is stranger than we can think.”

“There are things that are so serious that you can only joke about them.”

“Every tool carries with it the spirit by which it has been created.”

“An expert is someone who knows some of the worst mistakes that can be made in his subject, and how to avoid them.”

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/64309.Werner_Heisenberg






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Re: Spiritual Quotes by Erwin Schrödinger (QM founder) [Re: teknix]
    #16554902 - 07/19/12 04:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wanted to post this in the sprituality thread which got locked.  Funny I go to make a new thread and there is already one on this topic.  Wee universe is a fractal...

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johnm214 said:
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Cannashroom said:


Research the Wave-Particle duality...

Matter exists simultaneously as a wave and a particle.  If we use an instrument to observe light as a particle, we destroy the possibility of it being a wave.  If we observe it as a wave then it is no longer a particle.  The physical existence of the particle is dependent on the observer.  These are intense concepts, I took university classes on QM which helped my understanding a lot.  Very interesting things to study for your own curiosity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment
Complementarity

The physical nature of reality is dependent on the observer.  That is a scientific fact.






This is just a lot of handwaving and doesn't answer the OP's questions/observations.  Appealing to freshman physics doesn't establish that things don't exist or disappear if you don't notice them.

Ok, light has properties akin to both particles and waves, so what?

No, the physical nature of reality is not dependant on the observer, and this is not a scientific fact.



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Well just speaking from personal experience, I'm pretty sure I've experienced all of the emotions that most "spiritual" people have.  But when I think of the word "spiritual" I still get a sense that most people associate it with something supernatural. 






Yeah, but many of the people talking about such silly things seem to be averse to saying demonstrably false things, so they hedge their claims with loose language, fallacies, and vague nonsense.

Its just like the theists who all agree on a monotheistic god whom they have a personal relationship with and draw collective strenght from, yet can't agree on the nature of the god or even the definition. 

Its just cognitive dissonance forcing back the positions they really hold to, kind of like Christians abandoning slavery, sex discrimination, and so forth.




Ok, I kind of got carried away.  Under the Copenhagen interpretation reality is observer dependent.

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According to the interpretation, the interaction of an observer or apparatus that is external to the quantum system is the cause of wave function collapse, thus according to Heisenberg "reality is in the observations, not in the electron".




Heisenberg and Schrodinger became very interested in eastern mysticism and vedic spiritual traditions after their work with QM.  So you can call me a crackpot who is quoting theories he doesn't understand to validate a world view, but I am just integrating my scientific knowledge with personal experience.  Something many people refuse to do because they feel personal experience and scientific method are incompartable to which  disagree.

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Schrödinger concludes this chapter and the book with philosophical speculations on determinism, free will, and the mystery of human consciousness. He believes he must reconcile two premises: (1) the body fully obeys the laws of quantum mechanics, where quantum indeterminacy plays no important role except to increase randomness at the quantum scale; and (2) there is "incontrovertible direct experience" that we freely direct our bodies, can predict outcomes, and take responsibility for our choice of action. Schrödinger rejects the idea that the source of consciousness should perish with the body because he finds the idea "distasteful". He also rejects the idea that there are multiple immortal souls that can exist without the body because he believes that consciousness is nevertheless highly dependent on the body. Schrödinger writes that, to reconcile the two premises,

    The only possible alternative is simply to keep to the immediate experience that consciousness is a singular of which the plural is unknown; that there is only one thing and that what seems to be a plurality is merely a series of different aspects of this one thing...

Any intuitions that consciousness is plural, he says, are illusions. Schrödinger is sympathetic to the Hindu concept of Brahman, by which each individual's consciousness is only a manifestation of a unitary consciousness pervading the universe - which corresponds to the Hindu concept of God. Schrödinger concludes that "...'I' -am the person, if any, who controls the 'motion of the atoms' according to the Laws of Nature. However, he also qualifies the conclusion as "necessarily subjective" in its "philosophical implications." In the final paragraph, he points out that what is meant by "I" is not the collection of experienced events but "namely the canvas upon which they are collected." If a hypnotist succeeds in blotting out all earlier reminiscences, he writes, there would be no loss of personal existence - "Nor will there ever be."




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The unity and continuity of Vedanta are reflected in the unity and continuity of wave mechanics. In 1925, the world view of physics was a model of a great machine composed of separable interacting material particles. During the next few years, Schrodinger and Heisenberg and their followers created a universe based on super imposed inseparable waves of probability amplitudes. This new view would be entirely consistent with the Vedantic concept of All in One.



-Erwin Schrodinger

QM led Schrodinger to believe in some of the eastern mysticism that we are all one.

So when people tell you that only pseudo scientific crackpots with no real understanding of QM use it as a reason to believe in spiritual realities, toss this one in their face.


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This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

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Re: Spiritual Quotes by Erwin Schrödinger (QM founder) [Re: Cannashroom]
    #16554910 - 07/19/12 04:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yah dude! :smile:


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Re: Spiritual Quotes by Erwin Schrödinger (QM founder) [Re: johnm214]
    #16554932 - 07/19/12 05:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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venetianblinds said:
isnt this they guy that discovered a great truth while fucking a girl in the mountain sunset?








Yes, but it was a man. 
And herpes.





Huh?  He was with his mistress who gave him children, pretty sure she wasn't a man.


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This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein


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Re: Spiritual Quotes by Erwin Schrödinger (QM founder) [Re: teknix]
    #16557259 - 07/20/12 12:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Something tells me they were smokers of :deemsters:


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Re: Spiritual Quotes by Schrödinger and Heisenberg (QM founders) [Re: teknix]
    #21015036 - 12/23/14 01:54 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Love these guys! Only reposting because I love them so much. Open the Mind..!!


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    #21016374 - 12/23/14 12:41 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)





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