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OfflineAlmond Flour
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I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion
    #16550875 - 07/18/12 06:03 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Dont get me wrong folks. I can understand and appreciate why there are so many rules in the backcountry sometimes. I can understand why the government might not want me to have a fire pit in the middle of the redwoods. I can understand, why they expect me to buy a $70 bear canister just to store my food.

.....But one thing I can not, and will not follow is packing out my own shit :bored: How anyone in their right mind, can think its a good idea for you to carry a chocolate hotdog with you outdoors is beyond me  :glittershitz:

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I dont care where I fucking am or how long it will take to decompose, I will NOT carry my own feces in a plastic bag with me while I enjoy nature. End of discussion :commonsense:


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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: Almond Flour]
    #16551640 - 07/18/12 08:50 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

learn to use the vegetation as tp then!!!
bury it too so you don't move bacteria from shit to flies to yours or other's food(dig hole with stick before shitting, push detritus back over shit and shit soaked vegetation). any vegetation can be made into awesome tp by gathering the fleshiest leaves available and simply grinding them up in your hands. this releases the cleansing juices and makes a plant like sagebrush which is normally impossible to wipe with a pleasure filled with antiseptic benefits.

Edited by passifloracaerulea (07/18/12 08:59 PM)

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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #16553785 - 07/19/12 10:01 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

wow, way to disrespect everyone that uses the trails after you. :facepalm:


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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: SlashOZ]
    #16553995 - 07/19/12 10:56 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

99% of people simply shit next to a trail or campsite and throw tp on top of it, call it good and go home. how is burying it and using the native resources for a necessary poop disrespectful? believe it or not, if you do pack it in bags, the condensation that comes through multiple layers of airtight plastic will still attract flies and make you smell like a fermenting turd. fuck wilderness ethics and just use your fucking brain! one more thing, i only shit very far from trails. who the fuck wants someone walking up on them...my commercial obsidian permit from the forest service allows me to dump my grey and black water into a pit if i choose to do so. i choose to not store all of this waste in tanks and only use isopropyl alcohol as a soap when camping. there's something really satisfying about a good days work and taking a dump in a nice little hole afterward.

Edited by passifloracaerulea (07/19/12 11:00 AM)

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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #16555873 - 07/19/12 06:21 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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99% of people simply shit next to a trail or campsite and throw tp on top of it, call it good and go home. how is burying it and using the native resources for a necessary poop disrespectful? believe it or not, if you do pack it in bags, the condensation that comes through multiple layers of airtight plastic will still attract flies and make you smell like a fermenting turd. fuck wilderness ethics and just use your fucking brain! one more thing, i only shit very far from trails. who the fuck wants someone walking up on them...my commercial obsidian permit from the forest service allows me to dump my grey and black water into a pit if i choose to do so. i choose to not store all of this waste in tanks and only use isopropyl alcohol as a soap when camping. there's something really satisfying about a good days work and taking a dump in a nice little hole afterward.



I think SlashOZ was talking about the OP, not you.


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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #16556413 - 07/19/12 08:00 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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passifloracaerulea said:
learn to use the vegetation as tp then!!!
bury it too so you don't move bacteria from shit to flies to yours or other's food(dig hole with stick before shitting, push detritus back over shit and shit soaked vegetation). any vegetation can be made into awesome tp by gathering the fleshiest leaves available and simply grinding them up in your hands. this releases the cleansing juices and makes a plant like sagebrush which is normally impossible to wipe with a pleasure filled with antiseptic benefits.




My buddy always swears by this one plant, not sure what is but its like the perfect shape and has a nice soft texture to it.


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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: SagaciousCedar]
    #16556478 - 07/19/12 08:12 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

mullein or foxglove work well if you're into the pre-formed leaves. you could accidentally use the wrong plant though, foxglove even. my method works best i think because it releases the moisture and actually cleans your ass. sure beats packing nasty tp and if you eat the local huckleberries, native blackberries, thimbleberries... you'll be aiding in the planting of a new generation of delicious berries. some primitive campsites have old latrine style outhouses. you can get info on their whereabouts at the ranger district offices.

i need to write up a tek for the do it your self shit in the woods. it might start to make a difference out there. alot of people don't realize it, but dogs LOVE to eat shit. a friend's dog once stole my shit from my ass midair before it hit the ground while we were picking liberties. i was trying to keep the dog away but it was persistant. so the next time a dog comes up to lick your face, remember where you are and the possibility of a turd lurking just off the trail neatly folded up in a doggy napkin. BURY YOUR SHIT WELL!

Edited by passifloracaerulea (07/19/12 08:23 PM)

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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #16557654 - 07/19/12 11:51 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Mullein gives you an itchy ass i hear.

IMO just bury your tp, use leaves, or go for a swim and clean up...


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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #16560071 - 07/20/12 01:19 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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passifloracaerulea said:
mullein or foxglove work well if you're into the pre-formed leaves. you could accidentally use the wrong plant though, foxglove even. my method works best i think because it releases the moisture and actually cleans your ass. sure beats packing nasty tp and if you eat the local huckleberries, native blackberries, thimbleberries... you'll be aiding in the planting of a new generation of delicious berries. some primitive campsites have old latrine style outhouses. you can get info on their whereabouts at the ranger district offices.

i need to write up a tek for the do it your self shit in the woods. it might start to make a difference out there. alot of people don't realize it, but dogs LOVE to eat shit. a friend's dog once stole my shit from my ass midair before it hit the ground while we were picking liberties. i was trying to keep the dog away but it was persistant. so the next time a dog comes up to lick your face, remember where you are and the possibility of a turd lurking just off the trail neatly folded up in a doggy napkin. BURY YOUR SHIT WELL!



wtf? hahaha, always boggles my mind how some animals act. Like what on earth possesses a dog to eat shit...


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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: Absent Minded]
    #16561072 - 07/20/12 04:15 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Im afraid to wipe my ass with plants. Who knows if im allergic to it. Nothing like a nice bout of Contact Dermatitis on your ass to ruin your camping trip :bored:


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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: SagaciousCedar]
    #16562252 - 07/20/12 10:16 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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passifloracaerulea said:
learn to use the vegetation as tp then!!!
bury it too so you don't move bacteria from shit to flies to yours or other's food(dig hole with stick before shitting, push detritus back over shit and shit soaked vegetation). any vegetation can be made into awesome tp by gathering the fleshiest leaves available and simply grinding them up in your hands. this releases the cleansing juices and makes a plant like sagebrush which is normally impossible to wipe with a pleasure filled with antiseptic benefits.




My buddy always swears by this one plant, not sure what is but its like the perfect shape and has a nice soft texture to it.





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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: demiu5]
    #16562447 - 07/20/12 11:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

just burn the after, thats what I learned. the tp

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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: brokentv]
    #16562998 - 07/21/12 01:56 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

so the next person who sets up camp gets your tp ashes in their soup. that's fucked! bury it good.

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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #16564290 - 07/21/12 12:37 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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so the next person who sets up camp gets your tp ashes in their soup. that's fucked! bury it good.




I agree with the whole bury it thing btw. Just not packing it out. Thats absolute madness and LNT policy taken to an extreme :bored:


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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: Almond Flour]
    #16569532 - 07/22/12 05:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I ain't packing out my shit either.  But I get far off trail (and away from campsites), dig a hole, carefully burn the TP when done (whatever is dry and will burn, it aids in faster decomposition) and bury it all when I'm finished.  Anyone who says I can't take a shit in the woods can kiss my ass!


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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #16569592 - 07/22/12 05:21 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i suppose an argument could now then be made for only eating what is already native to the wilderness you are in. precaution is taken with pack animals to prevent noxious weeds from spreading, but lets say i bring in a passion fruit and spit seeds everywhere, or eat a bunch of blackberries and shit the seeds out there. what about chemicals, hormones, prescription driugs, gmo's, and altered sugars, and their role in these environments? they don't belong there, shit they don't belong in our bodies. the keystone species like milipedes and fungi will be the ones to deal with this garbage left behind. i suppose if i had the choice, i'd rather have the tp burned if you're going to use it, but you're missing out. sagebrush is one heavenly experience. good to bathe with too instead of soap.

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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #16572161 - 07/23/12 01:44 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Dont use mullein.

People call it nature's TP, but it gives you itchy ass.

its a trap...


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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: Shins]
    #16575168 - 07/23/12 04:21 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

As far as I know, most places that encourage (or require) packing it out are areas that are above the tree line (i.e. Mt. Whitney), and finding any surface other than hard granite becomes difficult.

In addition to the fact that you cannot dig a hole in solid rock, these areas are also very popular during the summer and fall, and therefore see a shitload of human traffic.

This part of LNT policy is more for the sake of human visitors than for the environment, as human feces, for the most part, break down relatively quickly. With so many people in a certain area, the sight and smell of unpacked human waste could become a problem in short order.


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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: WordlessNature]
    #16576444 - 07/23/12 08:15 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, once above the tree line it becomes a problem.  I still roll around some rocks until I find soil to dig a hole in if possible.  To be honest I've only ever had to do it once or twice at those elevations.  I try to plan accordingly and get my business done if I'm going to be ascending above the treeline. 

There is an outhouse on the top of Mt.Whitney.  Well, I guess you could call it an outhouse....at least its a designated place to take a shit.
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Re: I will NOT pack out my own shit......end of discussion [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #16586182 - 07/25/12 12:58 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The only place in the sierra that you must pack out your own poo is the east of the Crest in the Lone Pine Creek watershed. 

If you don't want to pack out your own poo then don't hike Mt Whitney.  Who wants to hike in that mass of humanity anyway?  The view from Mt Whitney isn't special enough to justify it.  You can find better views and solitude elsewhere, and poo wherever you want.

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