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Saguaro Cactus Help!
#16546151 - 07/17/12 06:08 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey guys.
Last week, I went on a trip to Mexico. While I was there, I harvested some Saguaro cactus. I cut only a small chunk out to be respectful to the cactus, and carved the dark green flesh (containing the alkaloids) out under the skin and threw away the rest. I put the flesh in a plastic bag and put it in the refrigerator.
I got home 2 days ago and on my first day home, I tried a bit of the flesh. Only a very small amount because I didn't want to trip too hard. It was extremely bitter and I had a hard time getting it down. This was my first experience with psychedelics. It definitely worked, and I felt different, as if I was really, really, blazed. So I put it back and waited.
Tomorrow, my friend and I planned to trip together so I checked the flesh today to see how it was doing. It had turned really slimy, almost like a slug, and brown juice is now in the bottom of the bag. It didn't really have an odor before, but now if you put your nose up to it, it smells terrible. I was extremely repulsed, but kept it anyway. Is this flesh still okay, is it just natural for this to happen with flesh? Is it still okay to ingest? We were going to put it into a smoothie, because of my previous experience of the bitterness of the flesh.
If it's bad, it's going to ruin our day tomorrow haha. We were really looking forward to tripping for our first time. But either way, I wanna be safe, so I'm asking you guys. Thanks.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: predux]
#16546212 - 07/17/12 06:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Saguaros are not known to be psycoactive, you got the wrong cacti.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: Dest]
#16546219 - 07/17/12 06:23 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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You were "really really blazed" off saguaro cactus.. LOL. This is his first post.
Edited by elkart (07/17/12 06:24 PM)
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: elkart]
#16546232 - 07/17/12 06:26 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: predux]
#16546249 - 07/17/12 06:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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-.- i can't believe you harmed a saguaro, you're lucky you weren't in arizona there's a law there that you can't harm saguaros
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: predux]
#16546306 - 07/17/12 06:43 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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predux said: Alright, no need to be assholes.
http://www.danielvitalis.com/2009/12/ever-tried-this-psychoactive-cactus/
Oh shit! Dude was right! Sorry I doubted you man, I had no idea
Edited by elkart (07/17/12 06:44 PM)
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: elkart]
#16546314 - 07/17/12 06:45 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
elkart said:
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predux said: Alright, no need to be assholes.
http://www.danielvitalis.com/2009/12/ever-tried-this-psychoactive-cactus/
Oh shit! Dude was right! Sorry I doubted you man, I had no idea
No problem... Now can I get some advice on whether or not to keep this? LOL
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: 5is]
#16546355 - 07/17/12 06:51 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting video. Hmmm. Good thing I live in Mexico. These cactus are everywhere. Forests of them.
Pics from a recent hike:

Look in the backround.

Jesus put them here for you and me.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: joemolloy]
#16546381 - 07/17/12 06:55 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, exactly. They're so abundant, it's a shame more people don't know about their psychedelic properties. It's also a shame that I can only see them duQuote:
joemolloy said: Interesting video. Hmmm. These cactus are everywhere. Forests of them.
Pics from a recent hike:

Look in the backround.

Jesus put them here for you and me.
Yeah, exactly. They're so abundant, it's a shame more people don't know about their psychedelic properties. It's also a shame that I don't live where they can grow.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: predux]
#16546534 - 07/17/12 07:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: HarryL]
#16546576 - 07/17/12 07:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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If I decide to try it, I'll have to get a decent knife and get out to the desert at 4AM or so and find a cactus out of view of trails and possible hikers. This is illegal and scares me a bit. Imagine getting caught, they'd put it in the news probably. They sell saguaro in the nurseries and they are anywhere from a few inches to a few feet tall for less than $100. I wonder if the young saguaro have the alkaloids that get you high. Well, first I need to try it from a mature cactus and then see what the little guys do. There really is no information about this other than that guys video.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: joemolloy]
#16546606 - 07/17/12 08:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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 Don't eat rotted cacti though you could end up having a had time
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: Dest]
#16546614 - 07/17/12 08:03 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wonder how many other cacti are psychoactive, that we don't hear about, or maybe don't know about.
Shulgin claims there are very many active species.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: drr]
#16546656 - 07/17/12 08:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was checking saguaro sites in my area and they'll plant huge 15 foot saguaro in your yard for $2000. I'd have to love the high to make that purchase, but I've probably spent more than that on trichocereus in the past few years.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: joemolloy]
#16546848 - 07/17/12 09:15 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: If I decide to try it, I'll have to get a decent knife and get out to the desert at 4AM or so and find a cactus out of view of trails and possible hikers. This is illegal and scares me a bit. Imagine getting caught, they'd put it in the news probably. They sell saguaro in the nurseries and they are anywhere from a few inches to a few feet tall for less than $100. I wonder if the young saguaro have the alkaloids that get you high. Well, first I need to try it from a mature cactus and then see what the little guys do. There really is no information about this other than that guys video.
I had a little switchblade that I bought at a trading post in Sedona and I did it in broad daylight. Don't take too much though, be respectful to the cactus, its taken hundreds of years to grow. I cut out a nice 6in x 4in piece and it got me a reasonable amount of flesh. Enough for a few highs.
The cactus is easy to cut through, it's just popping those spines off that is the hard part.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: Dest]
#16546882 - 07/17/12 09:24 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Dest said:
 Don't eat rotted cacti though you could end up having a had time
I don't exactly know if it's rotted though. I mean... it probably is... but here's a picture anyway. Of what it shouldn't look like.

and this is what it looked like directly after harvesting
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: predux]
#16547731 - 07/18/12 01:20 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting. I have never heard that saguaro is a mescaline containing plant. Anybody find any other links to confirm this?
I am a little suspicious since the guy in the video said that he could quickly feel the effects. Mescaline, so I have been told, can take a long while to kick in.
Edited by Gravity (07/18/12 01:36 AM)
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: Gravity]
#16548061 - 07/18/12 04:51 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's not mescaline that gets you high from the cactus. It's a few other alkaloids.
Predux, boil it up and make a tea and then evaporate it to a tar.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: joemolloy]
#16548164 - 07/18/12 05:57 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm still not believing any of this. I don't see a single source and I only found one thing about it on google scholar. It didn't mention the cactus consumption, though. It just listed the presence of a single alkaloid. Other sources state that american indians used the plant as food. It was a staple of their diet when nothing else was edible in the desert. I don't think they'd eat a psychoactive cactus for breakfast lunch and dinner each day.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: healing]
#16548285 - 07/18/12 07:16 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the fruit was a staple of their diet, not the flesh of the cactus. I'm damn curious about this, I just need to grow some balls and get out there and do some cutting.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: joemolloy]
#16548340 - 07/18/12 07:47 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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well any word on what the primary active is if it isn't mescaline?
edit: these two keep turning up but i've never heard of them - Carnegine and Arizonine
Edited by JacksonMetaller (07/18/12 07:48 AM)
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I know, I spent a while trying to research them but couldn't come up with much. Too bad no one really discusses how psychedelic it is, what doses are active, and how long it lasts.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: joemolloy]
#16551106 - 07/18/12 06:58 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Huh. Anyone considered the fact that the alkaloids are a mild poison and in certain instances are known to act as an insecticide? The Journal of Chemical Ecology has an article on how the isoquinoline alkaloids in saguaro cacti significantly shorten the life of certain fly larvae and adults.
Edit: I found and reproduced part of this article. Sorry, but I could only do a screen-saver, so it is a jpg:

The 3,4 dimethoxy-b-phenethylamine noted sounds like it might be psychoactive.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: Nature Boy]
#16551144 - 07/18/12 07:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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That crossed my mind too. Unknown chemicals, unknown effects, zero literature, and nothing but offering my body and mind up to shroomery science. And then I thought, What if I like it? Love it? It's one thing if I experiment once, but knowing how much I like being high I can imagine myself getting into a new, novel chemical. And then my balls fall off as a side effect.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: joemolloy]
#16551177 - 07/18/12 07:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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My money is on the 3,4 dimethoxy-b-phenethylamine as being the only (or the MAJOR) psychoactive alkaloid in the plant.
I'm pretty sure if you tread lightly and start at an exceedingly small dose (half the recommended teaspoon) that you could safely work your way up to an effective dose without putting your health at risk.
I know you know this, but allow me to remind you that the only difference between a medicine and a poison is the dosage.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: Nature Boy]
#16610542 - 07/29/12 12:05 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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There is a large amount of inner green saguaro flesh in the freezer. When I get around to it, I'll make a tea, bridgesii-style, and tarball and gelcap and report back. Maybe in a week or two or three. I hate slaving away at the stove like a woman.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: joemolloy]
#16611097 - 07/29/12 02:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'll be interested in hearing your results given that you have so much related experience with san pedro and bridgesii.
This should settle the matter once and for all if Saguaro cacti are meaningfully psychoactive. 
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: Nature Boy]
#16611426 - 07/29/12 03:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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im definitally gonne be watching this thread
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JoeMolly, Tell us your trip report
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: detest86]
#17288945 - 11/27/12 06:34 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I still have the frozen saguaro flesh in the freezer. I'm a little hesitant to be a test subject. There is just that one youtube video and almost nothing else about the alkaloids in the cactus. I'm not looking for a heart attack.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: joemolloy]
#17289019 - 11/27/12 07:04 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh snap, i didnt know about this.
if i ever get to spend time in the desert, im gonna chop me off a cactus arm and keep it alive in my slowly growing collection of psychoactive cacti
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: joemolloy]
#17289022 - 11/27/12 07:06 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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shulgin method: self titrate. start low.
but I hear ya man, best to stick with what we know is safe
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! *DELETED* [Re: detest86]
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: bishlap]
#17289028 - 11/27/12 07:08 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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predux said: Alright, no need to be assholes.
http://www.danielvitalis.com/2009/12/ever-tried-this-psychoactive-cactus/
I call bullshit. I can find nothing at all besides the link you provided stating that saguaro contains any actives or mescaline.
id say the guy who wrote it is either a liar an idiot falling for a placebo or a troll of sorts.
don't believe everything you read on the internet.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: bishlap]
#17289041 - 11/27/12 07:13 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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bishlap said:
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predux said: Alright, no need to be assholes.
http://www.danielvitalis.com/2009/12/ever-tried-this-psychoactive-cactus/
I call bullshit. I can find nothing at all besides the link you provided stating that saguaro contains any actives or mescaline.
id say the guy who wrote it is either a liar an idiot falling for a placebo or a troll of sorts.
don't believe everything you read on the internet.
Theres info about what type of drugs are in it here: http://www.thewildclassroom.com/biodiversity/floweringplants/extras/cactaceae%20hallucinogenics.htm
"Carnegiea Carnegiea is a genus that has been split off of the large Cereus genus and contains only one cactus species, Carnegiea gigantea, the saguaro (sa-war-o) (Benson 1982). The saguaro or giant cactus is one of the characteristic plants of Arizona and Sonora. It is used by animals for shelter while humans may also use it for building corals and novelty furniture. Even the Indians used this plant for food by gathering the fruit to make conserves and making drinks from the seeds (Benson 1950). While the cactus has been reported to treat rheumatism, it is not known to be used hallucinogenically. Yet, it does contain many psychoactive alkaloids such as: 3-methoxytyramine, 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 3,4 dimethoxy-5-hydroxyphenethylamine, 3,5 dimethoxy-4-hydroxyphenethylamine, Arizonine, Dopamine, Heliamine, Heliamine, dehydro Mescaline, Tyramine, Carnegine, Gigantine (5-hydroxycarnegine), Salsolidine Norcarnegine), Salsolidine, dehydro (Ott 1993)."
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: detest86]
#17291730 - 11/27/12 04:35 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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You would think that the Native Americans would have been all over this cactus flesh if it was psychoactive, right? Maybe they all dropped dead when they ate it and that's why no one bothers with it anymore. Or maybe it's a great Native American secret. Motherfuckers are all hush-hush because they are trying to keep the best secret drug secret in the world from getting out.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: joemolloy]
#17291844 - 11/27/12 04:52 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joe I'm surprised you're buying into this. Like you said I can not believe that no one has known about this if it wasn't psychoactive. The guy in the link provided by the OP just looks like a complete troll.
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Check detest's link though:
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While the cactus has been reported to treat rheumatism, it is not known to be used hallucinogenically. Yet, it does contain many psychoactive alkaloids such as: 3-methoxytyramine, 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 3,4 dimethoxy-5-hydroxyphenethylamine, 3,5 dimethoxy-4-hydroxyphenethylamine, Arizonine, Dopamine, Heliamine, Heliamine, dehydro Mescaline, Tyramine, Carnegine, Gigantine (5-hydroxycarnegine), Salsolidine Norcarnegine), Salsolidine, dehydro (Ott 1993).
It's not beyond the realm of possibility that this mixture of chemicals can alter consciousness.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: joemolloy]
#17291966 - 11/27/12 05:12 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think if the high rivaled any of the other traditional cacti we would have known long ago. If you're willing to try please write up a report. I trust you reasonably enough to tell the truth. I wouldn't go after it though if it was psychoactive, bridge is tried and true and much more available.
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ohcrapitsnico said: I think if the high rivaled any of the other traditional cacti we would have known long ago. If you're willing to try please write up a report. I trust you reasonably enough to tell the truth. I wouldn't go after it though if it was psychoactive, bridge is tried and true and much more available.
if your looking for a mescaline trip. saguaro isnt supposed to be a mesc trip
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: joemolloy]
#17292574 - 11/27/12 06:52 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: Check detest's link though:
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While the cactus has been reported to treat rheumatism, it is not known to be used hallucinogenically. Yet, it does contain many psychoactive alkaloids such as: 3-methoxytyramine, 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 3,4 dimethoxy-5-hydroxyphenethylamine, 3,5 dimethoxy-4-hydroxyphenethylamine, Arizonine, Dopamine, Heliamine, Heliamine, dehydro Mescaline, Tyramine, Carnegine, Gigantine (5-hydroxycarnegine), Salsolidine Norcarnegine), Salsolidine, dehydro (Ott 1993).
It's not beyond the realm of possibility that this mixture of chemicals can alter consciousness.
Haha I know right ? that looks like a great concoction of different shit. "dehydro mescaline,dopamine, dimethoxy phenethylamines ". Please test this out soon man. This could be great stuff. Many great things slip through the hands of time.
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I have a pretty big batch of it. I should just brew it up and tarball it and pop a few. Paranoia and laziness are a bad combo though. I can't bother to cook it and I'm nervous I will have a medical crisis. Come on, there have to be braver shroomerites in this state. Them damn cactus are everywhere.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: joemolloy]
#17292640 - 11/27/12 07:01 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: I have a pretty big batch of it. I should just brew it up and tarball it and pop a few. Paranoia and laziness are a bad combo though. I can't bother to cook it and I'm nervous I will have a medical crisis. Come on, there have to be braver shroomerites in this state. Them damn cactus are everywhere.
You mentioned something about a heart attack and some kid on youtube. I know cactus has that crazy stimulant effect and can keep your going pretty fast. Do you know if this Saguaro is supposed to be any worse ?
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I have no idea, I'm just throwing random side effects out there. Did you watch the video on the first page of this thread?
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I would gladly try this but im in new england so their arent any saguaros around here that i am aware of. Otherwise id gladly be a guinea pig for this. I definitely want to hear about this. Joemolloy, if you do try this id love to hear about it! You could always start with a small amount to get a slight feel for dosing it before diving in, but nonetheless i am definitely interested in this, and whoever tries it should definitely let us know what happens.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: jjjcmzzt]
#17292713 - 11/27/12 07:14 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh okay that was the same one I just found. I wish he would have gone into more detail about the effects. If that slab he took was "enough medicine for me and a couple friends" then it must be fairly strong. I really wanna try this. When I get paid I'll order a bit and give it a try. Sounds interesting. But being as big and available as they are, I bet there is a damn good reason that shroomery and bluelight kids haven't caught on. I mean a few days ago here in the fort some kid was trying to eat dill seeds to get high...
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the guy in the youtube video seems very knowledgeable. Do some research on him. This might make you feel better about eating the cactus joemolly
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: detest86]
#17399599 - 12/16/12 01:04 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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for science, conmon joe molly!
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: detest86]
#17399891 - 12/16/12 03:41 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Someone needs to try asap.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: Locky]
#17400185 - 12/16/12 06:39 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Locky said: Someone needs to try asap.
Yea someone who has access to Saguaro cactus has to give this a whirl.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: jjjcmzzt]
#18042032 - 04/01/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey guys. I made this account just for this purpose and have no idea how to reply normally and i figured you're the best person i should use to reply to, haha. Well last night, being me, i went and harvested some saguaro cactus. In quite a disrespectful manor if i say so, but hey, i live in phoenix. These things are literally everywhere and in almost every neighrbors yard (guess how i got it ). especially in cave creek oh my god. ANYWAYS. since again there are no ways to know potency, info on which doses are active etc. so i'm simply doing what OP did in their. I do NOT mind being a guinea pig for this . it's been in the FRIDGE for about 11 hours now, i didn't want to put it in a baggie in the freezer after what was mentioned prior but even then i doubt the fridge will make a difference. Definitely bitter haha! So, guys, anyone ready to rebirth a post? Who knows, this could be a huuuge find for psychoactives. I personally love (and have only tried salvia) psychadelics, and salvia was amazing to be honest. x1000 times more fun than i thought, which was already x1000 more fun than i thought anyways. Anyway yeah if anyone would like to help me out? especially anyone else out here with some saguaro? i've got an unlimited supply guys, a few tests and studies (although harming such a beautiful thing) can possibly mean great things later on!
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: hashhands]
#18042055 - 04/01/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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A while ago I read about some chemical in them that allows you to go into a lucid dream upon closing your eyes, I have also read threads where people tried this and ended up feeling horribly sick saying to never try it.
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Newbie said: A while ago I read about some chemical in them that allows you to go into a lucid dream upon closing your eyes, I have also read threads where people tried this and ended up feeling horribly sick saying to never try it.
weird.. i (considering there's no way to measure dosage or know what's orally active) simply vigorously licked that bitch like a fine womans cooch and all i felt after about a minute to two after a good 20 second lick (definitely bitter ) and the best way to describe what i felt is: transition. a friend had called me over in another room and as i went to check (turning a corner) i just felt... well weird, as if my mind kinda phased out, nothing MAJOR, and i'm sure it was just some placebo affect, but who knows? anyone got some good info on the alkaloids? i haven't bothered to look in depth so i'm not entirely sure of their properties.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: hashhands]
#18043993 - 04/01/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know if anyone here will be able to help lol. I don't know if anyone has tried it. Very interesting though. Seeing how abundant they are etc
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: Anonymous]
#19577647 - 02/16/14 11:42 PM (10 years, 15 days ago) |
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bump. Anyone have any trip reports?
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: detest86]
#19577826 - 02/17/14 12:40 AM (10 years, 15 days ago) |
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detest86 said: bump. Anyone have any trip reports?
I wanna hear too, forgot about this thread, who has tried this stuff?
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: drr]
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Well I understand this post is OLD now & I recently looked into this. I have 2 very large saguaro's in my front yard. I carved the flesh out of 1 and took about 3 doses. I took 3 large teaspoons of the flesh. It has a very strange/gross taste to it. After about 10-20 minutes of sitting and waiting, you start to feel almost a high. More of a body high. Other than that, it isn't bad. I plan to take more of this in the future when I'm on a hike in the desert.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: HydroSense]
#21689063 - 05/17/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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You should experiment more at home before you try it out on a hike in the desert, that sounds like a bad idea unless you test it more first. Do you have a scale? You could try measuring weight and up your dose to see if it's truly psychoactive.
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HydroSense said: Well I understand this post is OLD now & I recently looked into this. I have 2 very large saguaro's in my front yard. I carved the flesh out of 1 and took about 3 doses. I took 3 large teaspoons of the flesh. It has a very strange/gross taste to it. After about 10-20 minutes of sitting and waiting, you start to feel almost a high. More of a body high. Other than that, it isn't bad. I plan to take more of this in the future when I'm on a hike in the desert.
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Re: Saguaro Cactus Help! [Re: Gravity]
#24241944 - 04/13/17 10:27 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Carnegia gigantea (Engelmann) Britton et Rose (Saguaro Giant Cactus)
Source: The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants Enthnopharmacology and Its Applications.
Author Christian Ratsch
Carnegia Gigantea page 12, 153-155, 337, 871.
I was able to find information about the fruit that is made into a drink aka Tiswin,sawado,sugaro,haren, ha-san na'vai or nawait. (on page 154) But the plot thickened in the section Ritual use the last paragraph before Artifacts section. "To date, we know of no psychoactive use of the cactus flesh or an alkaloid-rich preparation made from it. It is possible that there might have once been such a use, for the Saguaro is also regarded as a peyote substitute. (see Lophophora williamsii).
For further reading see.
Page 337 Peyote Substitutes and plants with the name peyote.
Page 871 Botanical Taxonomy of Psychoactive Plants and Fungi
Page 12 Ritual uses of psychoactive substances.
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