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Anonymous #1

I feel like Hitler with this opinion...
    #16539577 - 07/16/12 01:44 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

When your dog is blind, peeing on your carpet and bumping into walls, you put him down. Now when humans become useless we spend valuable resources to keep them alive, but are they really ALIVE if they are fed through a tube and waiting to die? I think our world would advance much faster if those deemed useless were put down. You see this in the wild, where the slowest member is sacrificed for the survival of the strongest. That's what it's about, survival. Nowadays survival is as easy as pressing a button.

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Anonymous #2

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #16539597 - 07/16/12 01:48 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Who would decide who gets to live or die though?

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Anonymous #3

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #16539626 - 07/16/12 01:53 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, Hitler (and his crew) ruined that option for everybody.
Repulsion over eugenics had ripple effects which carry down today.
Euthanasia is another example. I can't kill myself because of Hitler.

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Anonymous #4

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #16539670 - 07/16/12 02:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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I think our world would advance much faster if those deemed useless were put down.




Advance to what? People dependent on machines for survival earn the designers, makers, distributors and operators of those machines a honest living.

How about I deem you useless? You never did something of value to me, are breathing my air and are the cause I pay more for gas.

See? Same thing.

I'm in favor of euthanasia for the willing. If people want to die, let us supply the means to let them die with dignity and certainty.

Problem with your assertion is that its anti freedom.  You decide that other people should die. With it, you strip them of their most basic human rights.  Yes, very much like Hitler.

Quote:

That's what it's about, survival.




Nonsense. If you are honest you do many things through the day that are neutral or even detrimental to your survival, you do them to make your life worth living.

Wanna get high?  Oh wait you are too busy making aryan babies and killing off the elderly and handicapped.

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Anonymous #5

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #16539718 - 07/16/12 02:08 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I feel like I should be able to walk through the streets and just get rid of anyone who I deem worthless.  I just hate people. I do not discriminate when it comes to old, weak, handicapable -what a gay ass word.

This world needs to take a step back and realize not everyone can get their way.  You should follow your own path and let everyone else fuck off.

Believe me, it's easier just to take the anger and push it down until you get home and smoke a bowl, sit outside with nature and escape the unwashed masses.

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Anonymous #4

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #16539732 - 07/16/12 02:11 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Anonymous #5 said:
I feel like I should be able to walk through the streets and just get rid of anyone who I deem worthless.  I just hate people.





You Sir should be put out of our misery *sprays you with VX*

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Anonymous #6

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #16539881 - 07/16/12 02:38 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

The difference is that the person has a choice and their own will. The suffering animal can not express the will to end their own suffering. Euthanasia for people should be a choice and not forced on them.

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Anonymous #7

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #16540164 - 07/16/12 03:32 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
Who would decide who gets to live or die though?



Given the choice, most people would choose for themselves. However, we have become such a society that euthanasia for people is frowned upon. In these cases, we treat animals better than humans. Dr. Kavorkian tried and and was sent to jail.  A few other have tried selling suicide kits and they to got in a lot of trouble.

I know once my health starts failing beyond the point of where I consider my quality of life has degraded too far, I will probably begin seeking ways to end it.  Hopefully, I will still have the mental capacity and physical ability to do so.  The last thing I want to become is a burden on my loved ones no matter how much they deny it.

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Anonymous #8

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #16540573 - 07/16/12 04:51 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Interestingly enough, eugenics (forced sterilization and euthanasia) started in the U.S. well before the NAZIs rose to power. It was by far most prevalent in California. This was in the early 1900s. The our scientists sent this information to German scientists, who would later incorporate this into NAZI-ruled society. It wasn't that long ago in the U.S. when the philosophy presented by the OP was generally accepted. I think it was almost half a million 'undesirables' forcibly sterilized in California alone. The NAZIs just took it to extremes. Eugenics that is.

Check out this wiki article if you are curious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States

It really blew my mind when I found out about it.

I know I strayed a little off topic, but just in case the history interests anyone. The OP reminded me of it

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Anonymous #3

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #16540641 - 07/16/12 05:09 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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I know once my health starts failing beyond the point of where I consider my quality of life has degraded too far, I will probably begin seeking ways to end it.  Hopefully, I will still have the mental capacity and physical ability to do so.




You need to get this all on paper while you can.
Hospitals just want to cover their asses like anybody else.
If you've got a living will, medical proxy, or other paperwork, they'll let you pay your bills and do what you want.

if you don't have any paperwork, that's when the ethics nazis (anti-nazis) get into the story.

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Anonymous #1

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #16541887 - 07/16/12 09:33 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Anonymous #4 said:

Wanna get high?  Oh wait you are too busy making aryan babies and killing off the elderly and handicapped.




:lol:

good one. your opinions are very valid and are making me rethink my opinion, especially the freedom concept.

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Anonymous #9

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #16541937 - 07/16/12 09:38 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
I think our world would advance much faster if those deemed useless were put down.





Also niggers, but that's kind of redundant.

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Anonymous #6

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #16542801 - 07/17/12 12:07 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
Yeah, Hitler (and his crew) ruined that option for everybody.
Repulsion over eugenics had ripple effects which carry down today.
Euthanasia is another example. I can't kill myself because of Hitler.



Hitler wasn't all bad. I mean, after all, he killed Hitler.

:rofl:

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Anonymous #5

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #16543772 - 07/17/12 09:34 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #4 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #5 said:
I feel like I should be able to walk through the streets and just get rid of anyone who I deem worthless.  I just hate people.





You Sir should be put out of our misery *sprays you with VX*





What the hell is VX?  Something you kids are using to get high these days?

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Anonymous #10

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #5] * 1
    #16543780 - 07/17/12 09:36 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Without the nazis we would have no highways or space program. :dancinghitler:

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Anonymous #7

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #16543788 - 07/17/12 09:39 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Also a little off topic but something I found so ironic. Hitler was a heavy drug addict, a hypochondriac and suffered from Parkinson's disease. Far from the perfect Aryan specimen.

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Anonymous #10

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #16543908 - 07/17/12 10:15 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

So a dictator is hypocrite the scandal!

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Anonymous #4

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #16543974 - 07/17/12 10:32 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

You forgot to mention he had only one testicle and a Jewish grandparent.

VX?  Know bug spray? VX is people spray.

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Anonymous #1

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #16544006 - 07/17/12 10:42 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

but he had the drive of a bull in heat

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Anonymous #11

Re: I feel like Hitler with this opinion... [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #16607345 - 07/28/12 05:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
Nowadays survival is as easy as pressing a button.




no it's not. 

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
You see this in the wild, where the slowest member is sacrificed for the survival of the strongest.




if i was in the wild with someone i would still be responsible for their care.

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
When your dog is blind, peeing on your carpet and bumping into walls, you put him down. Now when humans become useless we spend valuable resources to keep them alive, but are they really ALIVE if they are fed through a tube and waiting to die?




i see your point.  in that maybe people shouldn't hold on so hard to life.  or humans should be allowed the same compassion we give dogs.

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Anonymous #1 said:
I think our world would advance much faster if those deemed useless were put down.




that's stupid.  the ones doing the "deeming" would likely be the popular girls in high school.  i think we're evolving to become more compassionate and kind, not more powerful or deadlier.

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