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AceofShroomz
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Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ
#16520819 - 07/12/12 03:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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So here are 2 jars that were inoculated and prepared exactly the same. BRF + Verm. One set I decided to introduce into a colonization chamber with an aquarium heater set in a jar of water for temperature control. After 1-2 days I noticed it added some moisture and water condensation in the inside of the jars so I took them out. After talking with a few people on here I realized that this method was outdated and completely unnecessary. It has been a week+ since I removed the jars from the heating setup and now the mycelium seems to be growing in a very greyish, milky fashion. Unlike the other which is bright white and looking wonderful. Should I toss out the "bad jars". I do not think they are contaminated. But is this mycelium going to grow properly now and most importantly will it fruit properly. Is it in my best interest to learn a lesson and start over? Or have any of you had a similar experience and everything turned out fine.. Any help advice is greatly appreciated! I'm a noob but I'm trying so go easy lol. Here's the pics:
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16520824 - 07/12/12 03:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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you don't think they are contaminated?
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16520858 - 07/12/12 03:51 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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No.. Simply because of what I have read. I thought they just looked like there was too much condensation. There's no other colors besides white. Do they look contaminated to you?
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16520874 - 07/12/12 03:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well the jar on the right I would say definitely not. I am just using that as a comparison for what is happening to the other jars. I am really in the dark as to whether they are contaminated or what I should do...
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16520902 - 07/12/12 03:59 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am very suspicious of the left jar. Can you smell anything... A lot of times heater setups will cause bacterial infections, which you can normally smell...
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16520936 - 07/12/12 04:04 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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No I have really gone through all of the "bad jars" and there is no smell and what you are seeing in the picture is the worst of it. I'm taking mental notes on all advice and I really appreciate any help...
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16520945 - 07/12/12 04:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm surprised I can't seem to really find information on any other noobs having the same problem/experience. Which is why I posted this. I always search through the threads to find an answer to my problems, but I just can't really find anything
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: psillymathhead]
#16520966 - 07/12/12 04:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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The grayish jar is contaminated in my oppinion, but im no contam expert and pictures are allways hard to analyze. I would remove it and empty it in the garden and put a thin layer of soil ontop. Maybee you get lucky and get some shrooms outside. Why risk your other jar that seems healthy?
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16520983 - 07/12/12 04:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm uploading a couple more pics but I think that the milky/greyish jars are contaminated or f@cked in one way or another *cries*
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16521026 - 07/12/12 04:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here's more pics. I'd like a couple more opinions before I throw these jars out and start over from scratch.. Pleassee
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16521043 - 07/12/12 04:24 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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The gray one is cobweb.
The white one kinda looks like bacteria. I only say this becasue mycelium doesnt branch out like that. Its hard to tell with thoe picture but here is a picture I have.
Healthy mycelium on the left, and bacteria on the right. Notice the difference?
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: PureHash]
#16521050 - 07/12/12 04:25 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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There all bunk man, Throw em away.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: PureHash]
#16521059 - 07/12/12 04:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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PureHash said: The gray one is cobweb.
The white one kinda looks like bacteria. I only say this becasue mycelium doesnt branch out like that. Its hard to tell with thoe picture but here is a picture I have.
Healthy mycelium on the left, and bacteria on the right. Notice the difference?

Mycelium branches out all the time. You don't "see" bacteria, you just "see" the effects of it.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#16521067 - 07/12/12 04:29 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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and to the OP....the white one looks good in my opinion. The gray one can be cobweb, it doesn't look too good.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#16521083 - 07/12/12 04:32 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks I also think the white is good. Compared to everything I've seen it seems fine. Unfortunately all the others will be thrown away. The pictures are taken on my cellphone so they aren't great. Man what a freakin bummer. At least I have a liquid culture that's almost ready to inoculate with. Live and learn. I knew the heater was a horrible idea, was just trying to speed up the process. Patience is a virtue indeed.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16521093 - 07/12/12 04:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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LC?!?! ARgh!
If so many jars are bad, your LC likely is too. Proceed with extreme caution as far as that LC goes. I'd toss it and start over with agar, personally. Agar is cheaper and easier than it looks.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: Doc_T]
#16521101 - 07/12/12 04:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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The white one is only the front of the white one 
All the grey ones are contammmed
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Doc_T said: LC?!?! ARgh!
If so many jars are bad, your LC likely is too. Proceed with extreme caution as far as that LC goes. I'd toss it and start over with agar, personally. Agar is cheaper and easier than it looks.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16521102 - 07/12/12 04:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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AceofShroomz said: Thanks I also think the white is good. Compared to everything I've seen it seems fine. Unfortunately all the others will be thrown away. The pictures are taken on my cellphone so they aren't great. Man what a freakin bummer. At least I have a liquid culture that's almost ready to inoculate with. Live and learn. I knew the heater was a horrible idea, was just trying to speed up the process. Patience is a virtue indeed.
Make sure to test the LC out before you go all out on 50 jars. Heaters are always a bad idea. Make sure your sterile procedures are up to par too, also make sure your spores are from a good vendor.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16521115 - 07/12/12 04:38 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually none of these were inoculated with the LC. This was created afterwards, with different spores, and in a different setup etc. The LC has nothing to do with the initial colonized substrate jars which were colonized with spore syringes. I'm going to inoculate some with the LC this time, some with syringes. I'm just trying different things. Something will work out for Me. I'm not the type to give up, yet I do get frustrated. Such a bummer peoples..
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: Doc_T]
#16521118 - 07/12/12 04:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: LC?!?! ARgh!
If so many jars are bad, your LC likely is too. Proceed with extreme caution as far as that LC goes. I'd toss it and start over with agar, personally. Agar is cheaper and easier than it looks.
Agar isn't for rookies. Recommending agar to someone struggling with a syringe and PF-Tek just isn't the best idea. No offense to the OP.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16521128 - 07/12/12 04:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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AceofShroomz said: Actually none of these were inoculated with the LC. This was created afterwards, with different spores, and in a different setup etc. The LC has nothing to do with the initial colonized substrate jars which were colonized with spore syringes. I'm going to inoculate some with the LC this time, some with syringes. I'm just trying different things. Something will work out for Me. I'm not the type to give up, yet I do get frustrated. Such a bummer peoples..
LC's are awesome when they come out clean. It's all a learning process, whatever you get to work stick with it.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#16521154 - 07/12/12 04:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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^^^ "IF" they come out clean.
But even then it's still just multispore for most growers. Relatively few clone or isolate and then make LC from that culture.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#16521164 - 07/12/12 04:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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i GrOw StUFF said: Agar isn't for rookies.
I completely disagree. Anybody with a glovebox and a spore syringe is ready to begin agar work.
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when I studied martial arts, some of the best moves were white belt material. It took a year or more of practice to be able to pull off some of this stuff, but other moves worked the first time. It's like that with agar work, you'll be learning more until you die- but start right now, you'll be surprised how well it works.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: Doc_T]
#16521193 - 07/12/12 04:57 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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http://mushroompalace.com/grow-your-own/liquid-culture This is the website I used to make the liquid culture. But yeah I'll probably skip on that for now and just try again with the classic pf-tek. I really think that the whole heating element is what caused this. It introduced a lot of extra moisture into the jars very quickly, which I'm sure carried some sort of contaminates.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16521203 - 07/12/12 04:58 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Doesn't matter how you make it if you shoot spores from a dirty syringe. Al the sterile technique in the world can't overcome dirty inoculant.
Meanwhile agar work is cheaper and easier than it looks by far.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16521219 - 07/12/12 05:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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AceofShroomz said: http://mushroompalace.com/grow-your-own/liquid-culture This is the website I used to make the liquid culture. But yeah I'll probably skip on that for now and just try again with the classic pf-tek. I really think that the whole heating element is what caused this. It introduced a lot of extra moisture into the jars very quickly, which I'm sure carried some sort of contaminates.
Heating the jars caused the moisture to invade the dry verm layer which invited the contams. Where did you get the syringes?
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16521221 - 07/12/12 05:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll post some pics of the LC if you guys want. It's rather soonish I don't think you can see the growth in pictures yet. When you agitate the jars you can see fluffy stuff floating around that looks consistent with pics I have seen. The water isn't getting cloudy or anything. Who knows. For the moment I'm lightweight devastated. I'll be prepping and getting everything ready for another inoculation procedure tonight. I've been wanting to do this for a long time and I'm not giving up. I'm disappointed that as soon as I used the heating technique a lot of people told me that is a horrible idea. The fact that I was able to find a lot of people recommending it on write-ups/walk-throughs (not necessarily on this site) is totally uncoolish.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16521227 - 07/12/12 05:03 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16521233 - 07/12/12 05:04 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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AceofShroomz said: I'll post some pics of the LC if you guys want. It's rather soonish I don't think you can see the growth in pictures yet. When you agitate the jars you can see fluffy stuff floating around that looks consistent with pics I have seen. The water isn't getting cloudy or anything. Who knows. For the moment I'm lightweight devastated. I'll be prepping and getting everything ready for another inoculation procedure tonight. I've been wanting to do this for a long time and I'm not giving up. I'm disappointed that as soon as I used the heating technique a lot of people told me that is a horrible idea. The fact that I was able to find a lot of people recommending it on write-ups/walk-throughs (not necessarily on this site) is totally uncoolish.
you can't tell if an LC is clean until you test it. Even with pics...
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#16521238 - 07/12/12 05:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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AceofShroomz said: http://mushroompalace.com/grow-your-own/liquid-culture This is the website I used to make the liquid culture. But yeah I'll probably skip on that for now and just try again with the classic pf-tek. I really think that the whole heating element is what caused this. It introduced a lot of extra moisture into the jars very quickly, which I'm sure carried some sort of contaminates.
Heating the jars caused the moisture to invade the dry verm layer which invited the contams. Where did you get the syringes?
I'm nearly positive that's what happened^ Because I didn't introduce the heating element until about a week into colonization, and everything looked good then. Ever since I tried the heating, it just kept getting worse, and worse, and WORSE. Until today I've thrown them all out. I think this next time will go much more smoothly. I've learned a lot so far.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#16521256 - 07/12/12 05:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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you can't tell if an LC is clean until you test it. Even with pics...
Well I will be doing approximately 20 jars tonight. I will be trying out the LC on a few of them just to see what happens (since I have 3 LC jars). For the other 17 I'm going to just follow the directions to a T and not try and crazy or complex methods. They will be inoculated properly, and left alone and I WILL NOT eff with them this time lol. Trying to cheat the clock or anything. Tried to be creative, but I don't think I'm ready for that yet.. Obviously lol
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: Doc_T]
#16521415 - 07/12/12 05:55 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: ^^^ "IF" they come out clean.
But even then it's still just multispore for most growers. Relatively few clone or isolate and then make LC from that culture.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16521432 - 07/12/12 05:59 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wouldn't post the name of any company or person who sent anything to commiefornia
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: psillymathhead]
#16521476 - 07/12/12 06:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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psillymathhead said: I am very suspicious of the left jar. Can you smell anything... A lot of times heater setups will cause bacterial infections, which you can normally smell...
I see no bacteria. That left jar is clearly a mold of some kind.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#16521489 - 07/12/12 06:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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PureHash said: The gray one is cobweb.
The white one kinda looks like bacteria. I only say this becasue mycelium doesnt branch out like that. Its hard to tell with thoe picture but here is a picture I have.
Healthy mycelium on the left, and bacteria on the right. Notice the difference?

Mycelium branches out all the time. You don't "see" bacteria, you just "see" the effects of it.
Don't blurt out incorrect information. Mycelium does not branch out, it may follow different pats, but each "branch is made of thousands of strands. His pictures, they look solid.
And yes. You CAN see certan types of bacteria. There are thousands of different types of it. I've even been mystaken myself and tried to fruit bacteria cakes. Witch obviously did not happen.... The cake turned orange within 24 hours.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: PureHash]
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Thanks everyone. I'll be posting some pics of the next operation once it warrants it. Hopefully everything goes smoothly. The aquarium heater has been returned (get that ish out of my house lol). I did keep the 2 jars with purely white mycelium that weren't exposed to the heating element. It's not really worth throwing them away considering I have lots more jars to play with. I'll probably keep them and use the D&R tek, and fruit them in some shoddy 2 liter coke bottle with perlite at the bottom like I've seen for the "poor man's terrarium". I don't really have any hope for them (seeing as it's only 2 jars anyways) but I'm interested to see what happens with them. When I tossed the substrate from the other jars the core was SO wet. The amount of moisture that the heating element introduced is simply absurd. What a horrible technique IMO.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: PureHash]
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PureHash said: The gray one is cobweb.
The white one kinda looks like bacteria. I only say this becasue mycelium doesnt branch out like that. Its hard to tell with thoe picture but here is a picture I have.
Healthy mycelium on the left, and bacteria on the right. Notice the difference?

Mycelium branches out all the time. You don't "see" bacteria, you just "see" the effects of it.
Don't blurt out incorrect information. Mycelium does not branch out, it may follow different pats, but each "branch is made of thousands of strands. His pictures, they look solid.
And yes. You CAN see certan types of bacteria. There are thousands of different types of it. I've even been mystaken myself and tried to fruit bacteria cakes. Witch obviously did not happen.... The cake turned orange within 24 hours.
Don't regurgitate false info.
No idea where you're coming from? When I say "branching out" I'm referring to rhizomorphic growth which is a sign of healthy mycelium. When I've seen bacteria set in within a jar it will eventually turn the grain or brf/verm into a mushy type thing but no crazy colors, and the myc forms a border around the contam.......What false info have I regurgitated? I'm interested...
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
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and when bacteria infects the mycelium it kinda has a weird white look to it....like it's soupy or ice creamish....
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16522027 - 07/12/12 07:51 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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PureHash, both of those pictures that you posted look like cubensis mycelium to me. I don't see any bacteria in the right picture.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
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Hmmmm...
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
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Yeah I totally agree, mycelium can get super rhizomorphic, look at some agar plates after a few transfers, look at azure myc.... Look at my agar plate in my sig 5th at was one transfer from clone, it just kept gettin more rhizo and agressive after that, is that bacteria on the plate???
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
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To clarify, my comment regarding the bacteria was not directed towards your pictures but rather to the two that PureHash posted.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#16524881 - 07/13/12 10:59 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I totally got that Eagles Gift I just thought it was funny because the other guy was preaching and he didn't seem to know as much as he thought. I know either way my jars were turfed! BjJiggles knows what's up LOOOLL. But yeah his pic looks like the mycelium in my left jar. Man this can be a confusing sport, ripe with mystery and debates abound.. Gotta love love love the Shroomz
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
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yeah, he started trying to flame me, what a joke. If I don't know what I'm talking about then I keep my trap shut.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
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Same here, not the first time he's been an ass right off the bat... Idk y ya gotta be like that... I guess ego plays a part, which is fine I guess, just sux when ur wrong n u look like an ass, lol...
Anyway, sry bot ur jars OP... Good luck in the future..
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16525324 - 07/13/12 12:29 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks man, ya know at least I won't make the same mistakes again. I'll make NEW ones! But I'm excited, was up until 3 am sterilizing the new substrate jars. Got 18 of em! I'm preparing for inoculation right meow. BLAMM JARZ:
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16525350 - 07/13/12 12:32 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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And yeah it always cracks me up when people preach about something they aren't so knowledgeable about. I read a lot about rhizomorphic growth (since it was brought up) and the difference between contaminated "cobwebs". One of my jars was cobwebbed and gross. But the other looked typical rhizomorphic. Sadly I only have 2 of those jars. But oh well. They look pretty good so hopefully I'll get some fruits out of em. More just concentrating on the next batch though. Testing 2 different LC's so I'm excited to see how those inoculate and if they are contaminated or not..
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: PureHash]
#16525572 - 07/13/12 01:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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PureHash said: The gray one is cobweb.
The white one kinda looks like bacteria. I only say this becasue mycelium doesnt branch out like that. Its hard to tell with thoe picture but here is a picture I have.
Healthy mycelium on the left, and bacteria on the right. Notice the difference?

Mycelium branches out all the time. You don't "see" bacteria, you just "see" the effects of it.
Don't blurt out incorrect information. Mycelium does not branch out, it may follow different pats, but each "branch is made of thousands of strands. His pictures, they look solid.
And yes. You CAN see certan types of bacteria. There are thousands of different types of it. I've even been mystaken myself and tried to fruit bacteria cakes. Witch obviously did not happen.... The cake turned orange within 24 hours.
Don't regurgitate false info.
Two pictures of mycelium? One being very rhizomorphic? Where is the bacteria? I'm not seeing it.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16525581 - 07/13/12 01:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just got my first signs of mycelium today and they are starting to look like op's grey jars. The spots right now are still small so its too hard to get a good picture of it, but 4 jars have greyish white spots and one jar has good white mycelium.
Will it be noticeable to tell the difference between mycelium and cobweb once the jars are 50% or so?
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: FruitOfLife]
#16525813 - 07/13/12 02:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cobweb will grow a lot faster than mycelium and have a noticeable gray tint... Also appears really fluffy and cottony, not rhizo at all..
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: FruitOfLife]
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Drewsifer69 said: I just got my first signs of mycelium today and they are starting to look like op's grey jars. The spots right now are still small so its too hard to get a good picture of it, but 4 jars have greyish white spots and one jar has good white mycelium.
Will it be noticeable to tell the difference between mycelium and cobweb once the jars are 50% or so?
When mushroom mycelium first starts out it can appear grey. As time goes by it will become more apparent whether you have mushroom or mold mycelium.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16525925 - 07/13/12 02:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes I noticed the cobweb effect progressed MUCH faster than the pure white mycelium growing in a rhizomorphic way. I just finished inoculating the 18 new jars! 8 Ecuadorian, 8 Palensque (sp?), and 1 jar from 2 different LC's. Picture of my Wonderful Closet of MAGICK:
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: BjJiggles]
#16525993 - 07/13/12 02:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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If not all of your jars contaminate and you used the same spore syringe then it might be your sterilization teknique that is the culprit. Are you PC'ing your jars for atleast an hour? Are you really clean, use mouth protection & alcohole washed gloves and follow the standard procedures when inoculating your jars as flame sterilizing the needle, whipe everything down with 70% isopropanol, use a glovebox/SAB?
I feel something other than a bad sporesyringe is causing this.
How is the air in the room you use when inoculating the jars, is it totaly still, no drafts, AC of fans going? I think you must read up on the details of sterile work. Buy P.Stamets 2 good books on mushroomgrowing or read up on the internet. It's in the details you know, everything is important.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: Mateo]
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Mateo said: If not all of your jars contaminate and you used the same spore syringe then it might be your sterilization teknique that is the culprit. Are you PC'ing your jars for atleast an hour? Are you really clean, use mouth protection & alcohole washed gloves and follow the standard procedures when inoculating your jars as flame sterilizing the needle, whipe everything down with 70% isopropanol, use a glovebox/SAB?
I feel something other than a bad sporesyringe is causing this.
How is the air in the room you use when inoculating the jars, is it totaly still, no drafts, AC of fans going? I think you must read up on the details of sterile work. Buy P.Stamets 2 good books on mushroomgrowing or read up on the internet. It's in the details you know, everything is important.
Good luck and don't give up. Once you get the hang of it, its easy.
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I am confident the contamination was from the heating element. As I stated it introduced a crazy amount of moisture and when I took them to the graveyard their cores were nearly soaked. I feel this would contaminate any jars and it was a silly idea that I was trying. I just wanted faster growth. I have read and follow ALL the sterilization techniques. I turn off the ac and fans and close the windows 2 hours prior to any work. I use glove and 70% isopropyl alcohol. There's no shortage of research here. The only difference with what you've stated is that I use steam sterilization in the timeframe of about 90 minutes. I just can't afford a pressure cooker at the moment. I basically used this video to a T: .. Unless you're referring to someone else I'm not sure where you got the idea that I think I have bad spore syringes. The contamination IMO came from elsewhere, even though that is possible.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16526054 - 07/13/12 02:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you look in my picture I just posted on the left the 2 jars that weren't exposed to the heating element/moisture are doing just fine. And they were inoculated in the same way and at the same time as the other dozen that I had to throw away.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16526136 - 07/13/12 03:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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And I forgot last time I did not use a glove box! Sadly. Even though it seemed it wasn't a problem, this time I used the "oven technique". It seems rather lame honestly but I think it will work fine. You turn the oven on low and inoculate the jars on the oven rack. Basically the rising hot air keeps airborne contaminates and bacteria etc. from falling onto the jars during inoculation. Similar to the glovebox, except instead of still air, you have constantly rising air. I'm sure it's very debatable whether this will work. I'll be finding out shortly lol. I know, I take a lot of risks.. I run my Life that way and it works out fine. Knowledge & Wisdom are the bi-product of "mistakes"..
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16526158 - 07/13/12 03:10 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, then you probably have found you contamination source. I didn't read all the thread, thats why i said the syringes might have been bad. Sorry. Your next tries will hopfully look much better. You seem to have read up and have knowledge of what you are doing. Don't take any more shortcuts for faster results though. Start to do by the book and then when sucessful you can try experiments if you think they will turn out good. Then if your experiments turn bad you can always go back to the safe method.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: Mateo]
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Thanks for the support man! I love this site as opposed to other Mycology sites. Such a friendly and knowledgable group. I haven't even fruited any shroomz yet and I know A LOT mostly due to this site lol. I'll keep posting pictures of my adventures and who knows; Maybe soon I'll have enough creative techniques to do my own write-up(s). That's what I'm seeing here, there's really a lot of room for creative growth as far as technique. I can't help but feel there's still a lot to be discovered as far as Cultivation is concerned. If you look at the old techniques (such as my buddy gave me this book "Psilocybin" from the 80's) it's pretty laughable compared to what you guys are doing. STILL good info in there, don't get me wrong. But the progress being made in this field is wonderful, and seems mostly to be by people like you and Me.. Who are just trying new things. You guys all Rock thanks for Everything!!    
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: Mateo]
#16526233 - 07/13/12 03:23 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also, might i sugest you start looking into how to work with agar. Agar work is fun. Agar work can help you get much better results. Agar is easy. It's never too soon to start with agar.
You can doubble your result if doing a strain isollation and find a good producing isolate. And you will get a ton of experience of how the mycelium work in different situations and for example you will be able to save a contaminated sporeprint.
Just a suggestion...
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16526263 - 07/13/12 03:29 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks that's actually a really good suggestion and I haven't researched about Agar work AT ALL yet. It seems really intimidating, honestly. And with all of the other research I've had to do (weeks in front of the computer it seems) just to get this going, I was planning on waiting. Do you have any advice on a good read to get me started? I've seen it mentioned of course, but I really have no idea how it works, or the benefits therein. I wouldn't even know where to buy agar lol. But I'm really interested and hungry for the information..... ;D
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16526516 - 07/13/12 04:21 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just noticed it's pretty funny that I knocked up my Jars on FRIDAY the 13TH!! CrazyCreepyCool
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#16526739 - 07/13/12 05:13 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I got my first signs of mycelium on Friday the 13th... Which looks grey like cobweb mold 
There must be a connection here...
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: FruitOfLife]
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I got my first signs of mycelium on Friday the 13th... Which looks grey like cobweb mold 
There must be a connection here...
I would wait like some people said, it's hard to tell right off. But yeah, maybe Friday the 13th is unlucky for you. It IS supposed to be. Friday the 12th was my unlucky day, had to send my substrates to the trash. However, 13 is one of my lucky numbers, so 13th floors and Friday of the 13 are Wonderful for me LOL. Yeah that grey cobweb mold is something I didn't read too much about in my research. I'm DEFINITELY aware of it now lolz.. I have a very good feeling in this next grow though. And yes, connections and synchronicity ROCK. There always there, we just have to learn to see 'em. Are you new to mycology like myself? Or are you just having a "bad-luck" batch? Maybe we can share ideas and help one another out if you're a noob. I feel bad bugging some experienced people with my questions. I know they've done and seen it before. But then again, most people on here seem really eager to help out when they can. Mushrooms do afterall promote Oneness, Unity, etc.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: FruitOfLife]
#16526934 - 07/13/12 05:50 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you want to read by book P.Stamets books "the mushroom cultivator" and "Growing gormet and medicinal mushrooms" are super good read and goes into depth in every thing. If you want to read online there are very much info in this forum if you search. Just search for agar teks and you find plenty. Its quite intesting to see how a small spore or mycelim piece or a piece of a mushroom start to grow on agar and how it develops with time. Then if you cut out good lookin pieces of the agar dish and put on new agar it developes further. You can pick the most agressive colonizating mycelium and put into new dishes and soon you have a single strain super variety. This can be a super fruiter or it cant fruit at all, but this is how very super producing isolates is discovered. If you find one it can be producing huge yields for a long time for you so its definatly worth it. Also almost all mycelium of cubes will fruit as its a very forgiving mushroom strain to work with. And most inportant you learn alot while doing it.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: Mateo]
#16527089 - 07/13/12 06:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks so much for your input! Really good information there. I never realized there were so many benefits to working with agar! I would LOVE to create my own little super strain by isolating and working with the mycelial growth. I will definitely be checking out agar tek's etc. and possibly that book! I think I've seen it at my local HeadShop. Jeezus between LC's, agar, all of the different colonizing and fruiting methods.. This is a very intense and rewarding area of study. I'm surprised that after 10 years of moderate use I'm just now getting into it. I started tripping again recently and something about them called out to Me. I really like and agree with Terence Mckenna's theory of the symbiotic relationship between the Mushroom and Humans. Especially in regards to personal cultivation. I already know when I eat that first wonderful, special fruit that I've been pursuing; It's going to be an OtherWorldly and AWESOME TRIPPP!!
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Proktolithos
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
#27301483 - 05/09/21 10:46 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Panaeolus mycelium showing different genetics can produce ether white or grey (transparent) mycelium

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