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Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ
    #16520819 - 07/12/12 03:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

So here are 2 jars that were inoculated and prepared exactly the same. BRF + Verm. One set I decided to introduce into a colonization chamber with an aquarium heater set in a jar of water for temperature control. After 1-2 days I noticed it added some moisture and water condensation in the inside of the jars so I took them out. After talking with a few people on here I realized that this method was outdated and completely unnecessary. It has been a week+ since I removed the jars from the heating setup and now the mycelium seems to be growing in a very greyish, milky fashion. Unlike the other which is bright white and looking wonderful. Should I toss out the "bad jars". I do not think they are contaminated. But is this mycelium going to grow properly now and most importantly will it fruit properly. Is it in my best interest to learn a lesson and start over? Or have any of you had a similar experience and everything turned out fine.. Any help advice is greatly appreciated! :laugh: I'm a noob but I'm trying so go easy lol. Here's the pics:


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
    #16520858 - 07/12/12 03:51 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

No.. Simply because of what I have read. I thought they just looked like there was too much condensation. There's no other colors besides white. Do they look contaminated to you?


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
    #16520874 - 07/12/12 03:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Well the jar on the right I would say definitely not. I am just using that as a comparison for what is happening to the other jars. I am really in the dark as to whether they are contaminated or what I should do...


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
    #16520936 - 07/12/12 04:04 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

No I have really gone through all of the "bad jars" and there is no smell and what you are seeing in the picture is the worst of it.  :takingnotes: I'm taking mental notes on all advice and I really appreciate any help...


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
    #16520945 - 07/12/12 04:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'm surprised I can't seem to really find information on any other noobs having the same problem/experience. Which is why I posted this. I always search through the threads to find an answer to my problems, but I just can't really find anything


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
    #16520983 - 07/12/12 04:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I'm uploading a couple more pics but I think that the milky/greyish jars are contaminated or f@cked in one way or another :frown: *cries*


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
    #16521026 - 07/12/12 04:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Here's more pics. I'd like a couple more opinions before I throw these jars out and start over from scratch.. Pleassee


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #16521083 - 07/12/12 04:32 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks I also think the white is good. Compared to everything I've seen it seems fine. Unfortunately all the others will be thrown away. The pictures are taken on my cellphone so they aren't great. Man what a freakin bummer. At least I have a liquid culture that's almost ready to inoculate with. Live and learn. I knew the heater was a horrible idea, was just trying to speed up the process. Patience is a virtue indeed.


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
    #16521115 - 07/12/12 04:38 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Actually none of these were inoculated with the LC. This was created afterwards, with different spores, and in a different setup etc. The LC has nothing to do with the initial colonized substrate jars which were colonized with spore syringes. I'm going to inoculate some with the LC this time, some with syringes. I'm just trying different things. Something will work out for Me. I'm not the type to give up, yet I do get frustrated. Such a bummer peoples..


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: Doc_T]
    #16521193 - 07/12/12 04:57 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

http://mushroompalace.com/grow-your-own/liquid-culture
This is the website I used to make the liquid culture. But yeah I'll probably skip on that for now and just try again with the classic pf-tek. I really think that the whole heating element is what caused this. It introduced a lot of extra moisture into the jars very quickly, which I'm sure carried some sort of contaminates.


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
    #16521221 - 07/12/12 05:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'll post some pics of the LC if you guys want. It's rather soonish I don't think you can see the growth in pictures yet. When you agitate the jars you can see fluffy stuff floating around that looks consistent with pics I have seen. The water isn't getting cloudy or anything. Who knows. For the moment I'm lightweight devastated. I'll be prepping and getting everything ready for another inoculation procedure tonight. I've been wanting to do this for a long time and I'm not giving up. I'm disappointed that as soon as I used the heating technique a lot of people told me that is a horrible idea. The fact that I was able to find a lot of people recommending it on write-ups/walk-throughs (not necessarily on this site) is totally uncoolish.


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
    #16521227 - 07/12/12 05:03 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #16521238 - 07/12/12 05:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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http://mushroompalace.com/grow-your-own/liquid-culture
This is the website I used to make the liquid culture. But yeah I'll probably skip on that for now and just try again with the classic pf-tek. I really think that the whole heating element is what caused this. It introduced a lot of extra moisture into the jars very quickly, which I'm sure carried some sort of contaminates.




Heating the jars caused the moisture to invade the dry verm layer which invited the contams.  Where did you get the syringes?




I'm nearly positive that's what happened^ Because I didn't introduce the heating element until about a week into colonization, and everything looked good then. Ever since I tried the heating, it just kept getting worse, and worse, and WORSE. Until today I've thrown them all out. I think this next time will go much more smoothly. I've learned a lot so far.


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #16521256 - 07/12/12 05:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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you can't tell if an LC is clean until you test it.  Even with pics...




Well I will be doing approximately 20 jars tonight. I will be trying out the LC on a few of them just to see what happens (since I have 3 LC jars). For the other 17 I'm going to just follow the directions to a T and not try and crazy or complex methods. They will be inoculated properly, and left alone and I WILL NOT eff with them this time lol. Trying to cheat the clock or anything. Tried to be creative, but I don't think I'm ready for that yet.. Obviously lol


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: PureHash]
    #16521547 - 07/12/12 06:26 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks everyone. I'll be posting some pics of the next operation once it warrants it. Hopefully everything goes smoothly. The aquarium heater has been returned (get that ish out of my house lol). I did keep the 2 jars with purely white mycelium that weren't exposed to the heating element. It's not really worth throwing them away considering I have lots more jars to play with. I'll probably keep them and use the D&R tek, and fruit them in some shoddy 2 liter coke bottle with perlite at the bottom like I've seen for the "poor man's terrarium". I don't really have any hope for them (seeing as it's only 2 jars anyways) but I'm interested to see what happens with them. When I tossed the substrate from the other jars the core was SO wet. The amount of moisture that the heating element introduced is simply absurd. What a horrible technique IMO.


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
    #16522335 - 07/12/12 08:44 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Hmmmm...


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #16524881 - 07/13/12 10:59 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I totally got that Eagles Gift :smile: I just thought it was funny because the other guy was preaching and he didn't seem to know as much as he thought. I know either way my jars were turfed! BjJiggles knows what's up LOOOLL. But yeah his pic looks like the mycelium in my left jar. Man this can be a confusing sport, ripe with mystery and debates abound.. Gotta love love love the Shroomz


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
    #16525324 - 07/13/12 12:29 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks man, ya know at least I won't make the same mistakes again. I'll make NEW ones! :wink: But I'm excited, was up until 3 am sterilizing the new substrate jars. Got 18 of em! :laugh: I'm preparing for inoculation right meow.
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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
    #16525350 - 07/13/12 12:32 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

And yeah it always cracks me up when people preach about something they aren't so knowledgeable about. I read a lot about rhizomorphic growth (since it was brought up) and the difference between contaminated "cobwebs". One of my jars was cobwebbed and gross. But the other looked typical rhizomorphic. Sadly I only have 2 of those jars. But oh well. They look pretty good so hopefully I'll get some fruits out of em. More just concentrating on the next batch though. Testing 2 different LC's so I'm excited to see how those inoculate and if they are contaminated or not.. :smile:


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Re: Advice on white vs. grey mycelium! PICZ [Re: AceofShroomz]
    #16525925 - 07/13/12 02:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yes I noticed the cobweb effect progressed MUCH faster than the pure white mycelium growing in a rhizomorphic way. I just finished inoculating the 18 new jars! :laugh: 8 Ecuadorian, 8 Palensque (sp?), and 1 jar from 2 different LC's. Picture of my Wonderful Closet of MAGICK:


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