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    #16512944 - 07/11/12 03:39 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

So, about a month ago I made an attempt to grow some b+ cubensis. Having learned the pf tek method by heart I order two syringes from ebay.

The thing is that I don't see any progress within the jars so hello shroomery!

Some things to have in mind
  • I used whole brown rice,not flour,

  • having it cooked till it's done,

  • mixing it with the verm,

  • putting the mixture in jars(4x250ml)

  • and steamed it (no pc) for about 4 hours.

  • I left it overnight to coll down,

  • put it in the freezer in the morning cause I didn't have time and didn't want the rice to go bad till afternoon that I would return home.

The rest is pretty normal,inoculation,3 layers tinfoil, stored in a plastic box inside my closet. The temperature is about 28C


I think a month has gone by since then and all I see in the jars is some tiny white spots that would need a year or so to fully colonize the jars at this tempo...

whats your thoughts on the matter people? I am gonna have some photos of the jars later to give you a clear picture of what are they like.
Contamination doesn't seem like a a cause...

I have 1 cambodian syringe left...

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16512951 - 07/11/12 03:45 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

what tek did you follow?
that sounds all wrong.. search brf tek...:goodluck:


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16512955 - 07/11/12 03:50 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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So, about a month ago I made an attempt to grow some b+ cubensis. Having learned the pf tek method by heart I order two syringes from ebay.







Well... There's your problem...


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: magic mycology]
    #16512956 - 07/11/12 03:55 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

sorry if you're being serious,

but this whole post  :rofl2:

:congrats:


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16512959 - 07/11/12 03:56 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Ebay:shrug: , More than likely the syringe is bunk . Have a look on the vendors list and get a syringe from there . I dont understand why you put them in the freezer so the rice would not go bad , what about storing cooked rice @ 28C . Get yourself a cheap coffee grinder and make your own flour , its easy . You can also get BRF online .

Some pics would be nice too. Good luck and remember patient is the key to this hobby .

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: creationdivine]
    #16512964 - 07/11/12 04:08 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Damn.... I thought I was serious!

Actually,in my mind, it is supposed to be an alteration of pf tek!

The ebay thing is something that was bothering me indeed cause after I purchased my 2 syringes(10p each),the seller was "thrown off" ebay for some reason...

I would like some points of what I did wrong,besides the obvious(no pc,whole rice) but I believe you people think its a waste of time to go through such a sloppy attempt. Would you care to seeing any pictures or I shouldn't even bother?

Anyway, I didn't see that reaction coming,thought there are things to do to harvest some shrooms even in my situation. Because I am so anxious to have some shrooms growing I've been thinking (since this morning) to order this

Mini Mushroom Grow kit 'Ready To Grow'

Don't care if it is more expensive than making my own substrate but do you think is guaranteed to grow some shrooms even for noob like myself?

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16512973 - 07/11/12 04:20 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Actually,in my mind, it is supposed to be an alteration of pf tek!




Don't alter the tek.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16512978 - 07/11/12 04:24 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

follow this as closely as possible

PF Tek

or if you want to go bigger

WBS Tek

Coir/Verm Tek


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: creationdivine]
    #16513018 - 07/11/12 04:55 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)



I don't see any big diference with what I have done and what the pf tek describes...

Anyway....

Edited by Robie1983 (07/11/12 04:55 AM)

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16513021 - 07/11/12 04:57 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

were is the tek you followed..please provide the link..


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: magic mycology]
    #16513024 - 07/11/12 05:01 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

THis one

PF TEK for simple minds

And what about the kit I mentioned above? Do you think it is a safer and risk free option?

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16513033 - 07/11/12 05:09 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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And what about the kit I mentioned above? Do you think it is a safer and risk free option?




No. Do it like this: http://www.mushroomvideos.com/


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Doc_T]
    #16513066 - 07/11/12 05:41 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Fuck brown rice flour! Can't find any... I was just out in the market and got some rye flour .I think I read somewhere that it does just fine?

DOESN'T IT?

That 1.

Secondly I aint got a pressure cooker. Went out to buy one and its price was 80 euros or something so....forget it.

Does any of you succesful mushroom growers been working with a standar cooking pot and just steams the jars?  ( I still haven't underdood why do we do that...)

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16513076 - 07/11/12 05:47 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Settle down, man. We're trying to help.
Europeans have a hard time finding pressure cookers, it's true.
Brown rice flour is common, but if you can't find it you can grind it yourself from whole brown rice.
Lots of folks all over the world have grown mushrooms, you can too. Let us help you.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16513085 - 07/11/12 05:51 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Whole brown rice + coffee grinder = brf!!!! Ez as pie . And like almost everyone b4 said DON'T MAKE YOUR OWN VERSIONS!! At least on your first try .. www.mushroomvideos.com pf tek 1-4

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: SimpleFarmer]
    #16513088 - 07/11/12 05:52 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

And get your spores from a trusted vendor

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16513091 - 07/11/12 05:55 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Fuck brown rice flour! Can't find any... I was just out in the market and got some rye flour .I think I read somewhere that it does just fine?

DOESN'T IT?

That 1.

Secondly I aint got don't have a pressure cooker. Went out to buy one and its price was 80 euros or something so....forget it.

Does any of you succesful mushroom growers
have any cultivators here been working with a standard cooking pot and just steams the jars?  ( I still haven't underdood understood why do we do that...)




I've taken all kinds of grains and ground them into flour and used that in place of BRF. They will all work to some degree. Some perform better than BRF, others worse. Rye flour should work just fine.

We steam the jars in order to sterilize them. This kills off any other spores or bacteria in the substrate, or at least kills most of them, so your mushroom spores will have a head start on them.

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: SimpleFarmer]
    #16513103 - 07/11/12 06:05 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry but I keep buying stuff( and paying them) and I would have order some mushrooms online with that money...and that gets on my nerves

Anyway, the cooking pot is an alternative for pressure cooker or that's just something people with no pc say?

DOn't know if we mean the same(probably not) but I had a pepper grinder that broke down after one shot I gave it with the rice.

So Rye flour is a go?

Mr Shaman are you an English teacher or something? Jesus! Thanks for correcting me.
So explain me this then as far as the steaming is concerned...


My rice was already cooked when I put it in the jars (so it was sterilized)
My jars where put in hot boiling water for some time (also sterilized)
My vermiculite was left for an hor or so in the oven (sterilized)

So what I am sterilizing when i steam my jars?

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16513117 - 07/11/12 06:18 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Your rice should have been uncooked. Actually, I've hydrated whole brown rice and then mixed it with vermiculite and had a decent grow with that, but I've never cooked it before sterilizing it.

Also, keep in mind, I have never used steam sterilization. I started off with a pressure cooker and would only leave it for an autoclave.

But if I recall correctly, jars shouldn't be touching the water, they should be just above the water.

So your vermiculite was in the oven for an hour, huh? and then you opened up your jars and put the vermiculite in them. The moment you open your jars again, they are no longer sterile... Unless you're working in front of a laminar flow hood, which I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and guess you're not.

Once you have your substrate made, put in the jar, 1/2 inch of dry vermiculite at the top, and have your jar lids sealed up tight with a foil over them, THAT is the time to sterilize the jars as assembled units.

This way, it is more likely to STAY sterile inside the jars long enough for you to inoculate them and allow enough time for the spores to germinate and mate up into dicharions before any competitor organisms can get a foot hold on the substrate.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: shamanamba]
    #16513123 - 07/11/12 06:25 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

The only critical failures I see here are :

1: Spores from ebay

2: Cooked the rice first... Who on earth told you to do this??

3: stored in plastic box

4: apparently sterilized all the parts separately, then put them together... with your bare hand, I imagine :awesurprise:

If you had ordered spores from a vendor on this website, used raw ground up rice, kept the jars out in the open but up on a high shelf, and sterilized after the jars were assembled, then you could of had a decent grow.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: shamanamba]
    #16513168 - 07/11/12 07:10 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I am so happy for finding you guys and I am amazed by the interest you are showing to my thread.Thanks a lot. Now that I 've said that,

I remember reading a person's tek about cooked rice in here some time ago,if you haven't heard it I guess I misunderstood. NO COOKED RICE AGAIN!

The jars aren't supposed to touch the cooking pot, I had placed some jar-lids in the bottom of the pot so that the jars can stand on them.

When I sterilize my jars (as assembled units) doesn't the foil on top prevents steam get inside the jars? Stupid question but....

Everything was handled with surgical gloves and wearing this thingy over my mouth but the house in general is not the cleanest (cat,parrots).

I guess I agree with you with the ebay thing... Its not to be trusted for such things...

As far as the plastic box is concerned why is that a mistake? Actually, I was going to use the same plastic box for the the entire process (all stages)...

I am gonna show you some photos of the jars and their 'environment' as soon as I can.

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16513185 - 07/11/12 07:25 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Your technique doesn't sound too bad.
With the right supplies and some good spores, you'll do ok.

Widemouth canning jars will be a challenge. You might be better off looking for plastic food storage containers.
250 mL or so. Check to make sure they are polypropylene. In the US, they have a recycle code of "5" or "PP5", yours probably have a similar code.


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    #16524838 - 07/13/12 10:49 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16524866 - 07/13/12 10:56 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

P. S.  The temperature in the closet is a little over 30c nowadays. Outside it reaches 40c :sun

Nearly a month has passed since day 1

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16528680 - 07/14/12 01:18 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

So???

What do you think? Should I let the jars more days or throw them ?

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16528729 - 07/14/12 01:36 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

pitch them if they havent colonized by not or showed any mycelium growth. just start over and do the pf tek to the t dont alter anything. get some spores through spore depot. hes awesome. pretty fast shipping and free shipping is free too. you can use whole brown rice for the tek though but its best to use brf. just dont alter anything to it and you halve mushies in a month or so!! have fun and dont get discouraged. gotta have a lot of patience with this. youll feel rewarded when you plucking big fat shrooms from you cakes cuz you know you did that. you took some things mixed them and demestocted a lil bit of nature!! peace, ricky!!

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: ricky199]
    #16528929 - 07/14/12 03:06 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

You don't see the mycelium in the pictures?

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16528960 - 07/14/12 03:22 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Did you pack the rice to tight?How are those jars geting G.E ?


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16528969 - 07/14/12 03:28 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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You don't see the mycelium in the pictures?







Oh, I see mycelium in the pics, but the pics are blurry. you should star paying close attention to the stillness of you hand when taking pictures.

If I had any guess to take about your pics, I would say it's a blurry  mess, which, as far as the naked eye is concerned, with your pics, being drunk as I am, as spread out as the whiteness appears to be,in your pics, with my drunken eye, does not appear to be... ideal...

now theres a party at my hose which I must tend to!



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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: shamanamba]
    #16529030 - 07/14/12 04:27 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Did you pack the rice to tight?How are those jars geting G.E ?




What is G.E. ?

I don't think it was too tight,I haven't pushed the substrate in when I filled the jars.

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16529034 - 07/14/12 04:28 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

HAve a nice party!!!! mr Shamman!!!

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16562885 - 07/21/12 01:17 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

So, it seems that my mycelium decided to start expanding... It must be over a month by now but my jars just now are turning all white from the myc.

Iam gonna post some photos, but in the meantime can you tell me whether the mushrooms that gonna come out of these jars(if) are safe to eat? I don't want to poison myself...!!!

Is it so bad that it took forever to start developing?

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16563278 - 07/21/12 05:16 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

It's fine and we need pics

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: SimpleFarmer]
    #16563425 - 07/21/12 07:33 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Op,I appreciate you probably feel frustrated,  embarrassed and under siege here, but trust a moderate veteran of the boards to say you've garnered nothing but well intentioned advice from these good shroomerites.

You should see some threads where the boards take offence at a muppet poster. :picard:

Don't be offended, be a pupil. Take this thread as a lesson, and learn from your mistakes.

You don't sound like a UK grower (?) But there's a useful link in my sig- it's a lot easier for us Europeans to get our gear online and there's a few links that might help you there :thumbup:.


Very briefly to summarise:

Watch Roger Rabbit's "Let Grow Mushrooms" video. The link has been provided above. It's seriously penny for penny the most cost effective purchase you can make in mycology. The man knows his stuff,takes you through a grow step by step and if you emulate it, you will have success.


Simple steps:

Get brown rice flour (online),vermiculite (garden centre) and spores (I suggest Free Spore Ring Earth)

Mix brf,verm & water in 2:1:1 ratio,pack loosely into wide mouth jars (online), put layer of dry verm on top,seal jars (with holes in lids covered in micropore tape [online] ) and foil over the top and sterilise. Even though the jars are covered,the heat and the pressure do penetrate the substrate. The foil stops the steam penetrating the sub and ruining your precious ratio.

This can either be in a pressure cooker (online! A PC is seriously recommended. You can steam sterilise brf cakes, but you're fucked for rye grains) or steam sterilised for 2 hours in a sealed pot.

Wait overnight to cool.

Prepare spore syringe (tek can be found on the search function.)

Inject spores through foil and holes down into the sides of cakes. Only 1cc of solution is needed per hole. Flame sterilise the end of the needle to red hot between each jar. Try to perform this in a still air environment,such as a glove box.

Build a shotgun fruiting chamber. Get perlite.

Have amazing amounts of fun with the joy of successful growing. Post lots of pics

Find a new home at the shroomery.

Trip your fuckin' nuts off and share the love.

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All that said,if you have some growth,the myc gods may have somehow smiled on you. Jut read up on contams and be careful.

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Ego Questio]
    #16563745 - 07/21/12 09:50 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know if anyone saw this or told you , but the TEK you used sucks. Your harvest will not even come close to what you could have gotten if you had followed a PF tek from this site.

You used a 3.5:1 ratio of verm to BRF , instead of the normal 2:1. Doesn't mean you won't get mushrooms if all goes well:thumbup: just 1/2 as many as you should of for all your hard work.:thumbdown:

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: HippieChick]
    #16567189 - 07/22/12 09:04 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Here are the pictures, tell me what you think please...























I hope you will find the more clear than the last ones...

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    #16567195 - 07/22/12 09:05 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Props for wearing gloves! :thumbup:

If you have a dry verm layer under the lid you should probably take the foil off.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Doc_T]
    #16567289 - 07/22/12 09:40 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Hey, welcome to the "sport of kings" :smile:

Anyway, are you in Germany by any chance? I believe I saw Pressure Cookers in Media Markt. But regardless, you can buy them on ebay as well.
As others have pointed out, they are not necessary, but are very helpful and convenient.

Since it looks like you've somehow managed to make it this far, and it appears that you are getting ready to "birth" your cakes so they can begin fruiting, you should really start working on gathering the materials needed to make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC).
Perlite can be found at OBI under a different brand name.

PS: You don't need a coffee grinder if you have a blender. I make my Brown Rice into Brown Rice Flour by using a blender with no problem.

Also you asked what GE was, GE stands for "Gas Exchange". Before I say anything else, let me first ask you this: Do you have a layer of dry vermiculate on top of your jars like the tek said to do? (the one you linked to) (And what country are you in?)
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    #16567444 - 07/22/12 10:34 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Hello again, I am from Greece,yeah I know,shitty times to be a Greek...

Anyway, YES I did put a layer of dry vermiculite on top of everything else.

Now as far as the SGFC you are talking about, I a haven't done a lot of research to that final part of the mushroom cultivation but hoped to get away with the same plastic box I am now using for this step but without the factory lid. Instead I would use a transparent plastic bag which I would tie around the lips of the box...

What are the requirements the fruiting chamber have to meet? Is there anything specific and important?

How long do you think I have till move to that step? I was gonna dunk the cakes for 12-24 hours before letting them fruit. Is that something you'd advise me to do?

Ps.Except from gloves I had also the white thing over my mouth!!!

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    #16568683 - 07/22/12 02:37 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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If you have a dry verm layer under the lid you should probably take the foil off.





take the foil off? why is that? what about contamination?

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16568713 - 07/22/12 02:43 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Just do what he said.... The dry verm layer is the contam barrier  and the foil is just going to slow down gas exchange

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: SimpleFarmer]
    #16569629 - 07/22/12 05:28 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

So let me get this straight,

I should remove all three layers of foil and just leave my jars in the closet with direct exposure to atmosphere with the exception of the dry vermiculite layer until the fruiting step? I just have a towel on top of my box...

Sorry for being repetitive but I just want to make sure I won't do anything costly..

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    #16569637 - 07/22/12 05:29 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

So you have no lid ?

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16569664 - 07/22/12 05:33 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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So let me get this straight,

I should remove all three layers of foil and just leave my jars in the closet with direct exposure to atmosphere with the exception of the dry vermiculite layer until the fruiting step? I just have a towel on top of my box...

Sorry for being repetitive but I just want to make sure I won't do anything costly..




Yes.  Exactly.  :smile:

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16571162 - 07/22/12 09:52 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

This



And this



And this




were a bad idea with the dry verm layer in place. Turning the jar sideways renders the dry verm layer pointless.


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    #16571181 - 07/22/12 09:56 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Michelle M said:
Quote:

Robie1983 said:
So let me get this straight,

I should remove all three layers of foil and just leave my jars in the closet with direct exposure to atmosphere with the exception of the dry vermiculite layer until the fruiting step? I just have a towel on top of my box...

Sorry for being repetitive but I just want to make sure I won't do anything costly..




Yes.  Exactly.  :smile:




If your jars have a lid then yes....if the foil is your lid then take 2 layers off and the inoculation holes in the last layer of foil will provide GE. You dont want the verm completely open to the atmosphere.

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: PussyFart]
    #16571953 - 07/23/12 12:39 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Oh
I see.
I have no lid except for the three layers of foil.
So, I will leave only the foil with the inoculation holes
which by the way are not covered by any tape or anything...

I haven't thought that turning the jars sideways would mess up with
The dry verm layer. Forgive a noob please...

By the way I think the whole process accelerated when I vigorously shaked
the jars 10 days ago...

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16572140 - 07/23/12 01:36 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

DO NOT SHAKE CAKES!

The whole point of the dry verm layer is to protect against outside contams...lets say a contam did find its way into the dry verm...it has stopped...now if u shake it where is that contam gonna go?

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    #16572386 - 07/23/12 02:57 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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By the way I think the whole process accelerated when I vigorously shaked
the jars 10 days ago...




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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Inocuole]
    #16572496 - 07/23/12 04:03 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Damn it... It seems I can't do anything right!!!

Anyway what's done is done. When I get home I will
Uncover the jars as advised and may the mushroom god be
kind with me.

Ps. A lowryder seed just arrived today by mail so
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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16572898 - 07/23/12 07:29 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Robie1983 said:


Ps. A lowryder seed just arrived today by mail so
I'll be starting another kind of cultivation soon... B-)




inb4 attempts to grow it hydroponically by dropping the seed in a bucket of water and leaving it under an incandescent lamp.

I can't believe you managed to grow healthy looking cakes that have been shaken without lids! quite impressive to be honest.

If you still have cakes that are not contaminated I would just leave them be, with the foil on and don't touch them till they are 100% colonized.


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    #16572934 - 07/23/12 07:46 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

SO your opinion weetsie is that I shouldn't remove the layers of foil?

As for my colonized cakes, what can I say? Beginner's luck I guess..:crazy2:
I want to try doing a second batch with rye flour+cambodian spores but I am really lazy now days...

About the lowryder, I am thinking something of a PC grow box for ultimate stealth ness!! But that will have to wait till September and I'll visiting some other forum for that kind of cultivation...

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16572963 - 07/23/12 07:59 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Damn it... It seems I can't do anything right!!!






But you have just learned a shitload of indispenible knowledge in this thread! We all had to learn, though you seem to be on quite a crash course. Keep on trying, it's easy once you get the hang of procedure etc.


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    #16573132 - 07/23/12 09:34 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I sure learned a lot,I know that and I am grateful.

I just wish to get something out of this batch so that I have something to be happy about.

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    #16573195 - 07/23/12 09:54 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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I sure learned a lot,I know that and I am grateful.

I just wish to get something out of this batch so that I have something to be happy about.





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    #16573253 - 07/23/12 10:12 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Hang in there! I made a load of mistakes (am currently still making mistakes) and am still on my first grow. You got it spot on to see the learning experience that mistakes in combination with the expertise of the kind folks here can provide.

I learned a boatload reading here, but I learned just as much during my OJT that is the actual growing (and screwing up). Good luck, it's completely worth it to finally see those little guys pop up and then nom on them.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16574576 - 07/23/12 02:57 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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SO your opinion weetsie is that I shouldn't remove the layers of foil?

As for my colonized cakes, what can I say? Beginner's luck I guess..:crazy2:
I want to try doing a second batch with rye flour+cambodian spores but I am really lazy now days...

About the lowryder, I am thinking something of a PC grow box for ultimate stealth ness!! But that will have to wait till September and I'll visiting some other forum for that kind of cultivation...

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The idea of PF tek is to have your sterile substrate below a wall of dry vermiculite that cant be colonized by mycelium or bacteria alike because its dry. normally the foil is used just during sterilization and removed afterwards but as you don't have lids you should leave them on as they are in your case effectively lids.

Its hard to tell where you are at with your jars but I would probably be putting an elastic band around the foil on the jars and making sure there are a couple of holes in the top of the foil.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: weetsie]
    #16578180 - 07/24/12 02:34 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Hello and good morning. It's half past eleven here.
You are all very kind and helpful.
So the way to go is by piercing all layers of foil creating little tiny holes
and putting a rubber band aroun the lips of the jars?

Ps. I haven't ever tried shrooming before and didn't want to order
any online. So besides my first grow this will be my first experience,
if I succeed that is....

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16590548 - 07/26/12 02:17 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yesterday
I removed the layers of foil on every jar for some seconds
to let the mycelium breath,exchange gas, whatever...
I noticed that the white web,mycelium?, that is growing
on the sided of the jar and a little at the bottom is also
spreading in some cases to the dry vermiculite layer on top.
Is this normal or the top layer is being breached and
I should expect signs of contamination in the next days?

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16592617 - 07/26/12 01:15 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Would you like to explain why you lifted the foil off?


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    #16593744 - 07/26/12 04:07 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

But to answer your question,

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I should expect signs of contamination in the next days?





Probably.  :rolleyes:


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Inocuole]
    #16594056 - 07/26/12 04:54 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

its arial mycellium, its normal, ther verm layer should have protected u, but they might start pinning now

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    #16605894 - 07/28/12 12:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Yes I will explain why I did it. I read a report of a guy that in order
to help the gas exchange he lifted the foil every now and then
for a few seconds and this method did actually work according to him.

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    #16608814 - 07/29/12 12:50 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Just my 2c as well... always FOLLOW the tek. This is someone else sharing their success and so if you wish to be successful do what they did exactly and don't cut corners. We have some great sponsors here at Shroomery I'd recommend you visit their site for future purchases until you start successful cultivation where you can barter for other strains. I had a lot less of complications working with wild bird seed WBS and it's cheap as hell, but if you want to succeed on PF tek don't touch it and let it do it's thing.

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16608856 - 07/29/12 01:09 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Untreated rye flour is just fine. Higher nutritional value than BRF.

You can use a hot water bath to sterilize small jars, but you really should drop the 80 and get the PC at some point. For now, take a large pot, put a plate in the bottom put your PF jars on the plate, and then add boiling water nearly half way up the side of the jars. Put the lid on,and keep the heat going to maintain that boil (for an hour and a half, or so). This will sterilize the jars.

After your first small crop, you can stop being cheap and buy the PC. Locate a trusted vendor.

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    #16608934 - 07/29/12 01:48 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Order spores from sponsors, Follow shroomery techs, or buy these jars on amazon. They know their stuff. They got me into mycology and i buy supplies from them.

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: scrantonstrangler]
    #16610464 - 07/29/12 11:45 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Back from a 3 days trip, just to  find my mycelium grown more than ever...
I will share some pictures with you to tell me whether the areas not yet covered could be
due to a contamination but I doubt that...

I don't see what's the big fuss all about since the jars are being colonized.
I wish they did it faster but...I won't complain!

Its been close 2 months!!!!! hahahaha I guess my mycelium is lazy...
As far as the seed vendor,I won't buy mushrooms seeds from ebay again,although other kind of seeds I have bought throughout the years have proved to grow just fine, but since the mycelium is growing doesn't that mean that I didn't get fooled in the end?

I am getting really anxious to work this out. Does the jar need to be fully colonized to get it out and dunk it in water and let it fruit?

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    #16615463 - 07/30/12 08:52 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Its been close 2 months!!!!! hahahaha I guess my mycelium is lazy...
As far as the seed vendor,I won't buy mushrooms seeds from ebay again,although other kind of seeds I have bought throughout the years have proved to grow just fine, but since the mycelium is growing doesn't that mean that I didn't get fooled in the end?

I am getting really anxious to work this out. Does the jar need to be fully colonized to get it out and dunk it in water and let it fruit?



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    #16620206 - 07/31/12 01:39 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

HEY!!!!

What is sooo funny?

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16620225 - 07/31/12 01:48 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

i advice you, sir, to work with spore prints and make your spore syringes yourself.. its fairly EASY.


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    #16621081 - 07/31/12 08:41 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I will definitely do that when I have grown a few mushrooms so I can spare one to make the print, although I don't fully understand what is the difference between spore syringes,spore prints and spore vials at the various sites.

From what I understand,in brief words.. I can make my spore print from one mushroom,add water to it and make my syringes...

Anyway, we'll discuss that when its time.

I was that !! close today to order some dragon truffles from a site in order to have something different on my vacation except pot,but in the end I didn't and decided that I'll try my own shrooms when and if they are grown. I think it was a good deal though, 26 euros for 30 grams of dragon truffles!!

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    #16621105 - 07/31/12 08:48 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

You can still eat the mushroom after you take a sporeprint.
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    #16621113 - 07/31/12 08:51 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't fully understand what is the difference between spore syringes,spore prints and spore vials at the various sites.





The difference is you can make 5-15 of your own syringes from just one print or keep shelling out cash to vendors.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Revolutiontcm]
    #16621497 - 07/31/12 10:32 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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The difference is you can make 5-15 of your own syringes from just one print or keep shelling out cash to vendors.




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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16621585 - 07/31/12 10:56 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I think it was a good deal though, 26 euros for 30 grams of dragon truffles!!




Not sure what a dragon truffle is exactly, assuming it's sclerotia of some sort.. That seems a little steep to be honest. I get emails from a European vendor that sells them at 15Euro for 30g, usually there's promo codes and other discounts as well. Truffles are nice though, worth trying for sure.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: shamanamba]
    #16621628 - 07/31/12 11:06 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

AWWWWW!!!!! So I only need a mushroom and dealing with spore sites is over!! ( at least for the specific species) From what I am hearing, you guys exchange spores so.... Thats great news! These vendors are making maybe a 1000% profit then right from spores!!!?

Let me ask you something, btw it is very nice talking to people that share a not that common hobby.

Since you guys are growing shrooms all the time, does that mean you are shrooming that often? Doesn't it get confusing and exhausting?
I know,off topic question,but since I have never tried anything more than lsd and ecstasy (that I found really exhausting) plus being a daily pothead for over ten years (not taking much pleasure from it anymorebut keep doing it), I had to ask.

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16621837 - 07/31/12 11:50 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't see any big diference with what I have done and what the pf tek describes...

Anyway....






you said u used whole brown rice....thats cool...  but you did blend that shit into flour right?

and maybe check a vendor on this site for MICROSCOPY use... 
something with works or depot in the name :zaphod:


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16621939 - 07/31/12 12:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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AWWWWW!!!!! So I only need a mushroom and dealing with spore sites is over!! ( at least for the specific species) From what I am hearing, you guys exchange spores so.... Thats great news! These vendors are making maybe a 1000% profit then right from spores!!!?

Let me ask you something, btw it is very nice talking to people that share a not that common hobby.

Since you guys are growing shrooms all the time, does that mean you are shrooming that often? Doesn't it get confusing and exhausting?
I know,off topic question,but since I have never tried anything more than lsd and ecstasy (that I found really exhausting) plus being a daily pothead for over ten years (not taking much pleasure from it anymorebut keep doing it), I had to ask.






cannabis can be physically addicting (or atleast, one can develop dependence towards it, if you dont like the word addicting), shrooms on the other hand is a different story.. 

you want your tolerance levels low, close to 0, so you experience a nice seat at the pedestal of thought and consciousness... a dose a week is an ideal maintenance if youre a pretty laid-back type who doesnt busy himself with worldly affairs that much.. but it can also be every two weeks, once a month or whatever floats your boat..

ps, self-rehabbbing with cannabis to lower your tolerance is a good practice. try that for a change, you might be surprised what youre missing out on..


anyway, my advice to you, try this formula..

SHROOMS + HASHISH

you'd very well thank me for it, as i see youre a regular smoker.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16621966 - 07/31/12 12:13 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I trip maybe once every other week,I more enjoy the mad scientist side of the hobby.

And yeah trading is a good way to build your print library w/o spending any money(other than stamps.)

Stick around awhile and maybe when you reach that 90 day mark some one will get at you.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16621992 - 07/31/12 12:18 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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These vendors are making maybe a 1000% profit then right from spores!!!?




As far as raw materials go, yes. Perhaps even more than 1000% profit, as the syringe itself and packaging/shipping are the most expensive parts. Each syringe literally costs pennies to make.

What you're paying for is the guarantee of a clean innoculant with the promise of free replacement if you get one that's contaminated, and you only get that promise if you order from sponsors of this site. Ordering spore syringes from anywhere else is usually just a waste of your money.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: shamanamba]
    #16622015 - 07/31/12 12:21 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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What you're paying for is the guarantee of a clean innoculant with the promise of free replacement if you get one that's contaminated




And that's a good place to start. Until you develop technique


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16623083 - 07/31/12 03:16 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Since you guys are growing shrooms all the time, does that mean you are shrooming that often? Doesn't it get confusing and exhausting?





I think a lot of us grew for a little while and then stopped. It is draining and not too sensible IMO to trip more than once per month, even that sounds like a lot to me now.

I can only speak for myself but I haven't grown any psilocybin shrooms in a couple of years, it's still nice to hang out in the forums and help others out, also I still learn new things every week on here.

As you said, one of the nicest parts about this community is sharing common interests with others who are like-minded.

I haven't tripped on anything but deemz for about 18months. I am getting old though. :crankey:


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: egodeathflux]
    #16638271 - 08/03/12 05:52 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

New pictures!!! Every 3 pictures there is a different jar. There are 3 pictures of every side of each jar. It seems that all 4 jars have one side of them that it is not colonized.

























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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16642957 - 08/04/12 01:31 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

... Do those cakes smell like anything?  They look pretty funky.  I'm not really sure if what you have growing there is actually cubensis mycelium... Though it's hard to say from the way they look.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16643335 - 08/04/12 05:21 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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New pictures!!! Every 3 pictures there is a different jar. There are 3 pictures of every side of each jar. It seems that all 4 jars have one side of them that it is not colonized.






























You have a lot of contaminated(Wet Spot; Sour Rot) jar's. Visit here for more information.

I can clearly see it in pic's 1,4,5,6,7, and 8.

Sorry, best start again and avoid waisting more time. How did you sterilize your substrate?


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: x CiVil x]
    #16643417 - 08/04/12 06:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

START OVER MAN.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16643446 - 08/04/12 06:19 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hey good looks so far!

Do not toss the jar yet!! it may not be sour rot!

Im not experienced in the ways that most are here, but I do have experience with sour rot.

Sometimes if theres too much water in the jar, and your using grain as your sub, youll get a "coagulation" look at the bottom of the jars that looks kinda like sour rot.

all that happens is it takes longer to colonize.

but yeah it it smells funky thats not good:frown:

otherwise be patient and see!

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    #16643470 - 08/04/12 06:32 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Hey good looks so far!

Do not toss the jar yet!! it may not be sour rot!

Im not experienced in the ways that most are here, but I do have experience with sour rot.

Sometimes if theres too much water in the jar, and your using grain as your sub, youll get a "coagulation" look at the bottom of the jars that looks kinda like sour rot.

all that happens is it takes longer to colonize.

but yeah it it smells funky thats not good:(

otherwise be patient and see!

good luck buddy!




This guy...^ has no idea what he's talking about.(no offense) So refer back to my post. Throw them away and start over. If you're wondering why they were colonizing so slow, it's because they wee contamated. End of story.

If you'd go over your sterilization procedure for your substrate when you get back it'd be great. I'm thinking that's the reason for you contamination.


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    #16643529 - 08/04/12 07:06 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:rolleyes::rofl:

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: TheBoomking]
    #16643847 - 08/04/12 08:59 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Shit dudes... I was under the impression that I was on the right path.

Could you explain me where do you see the contamination on the pictures?

I was hoping that I would be tasting mushrooms after August...

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16643851 - 08/04/12 09:00 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Pic 0324 up there caught my eye


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    #16643976 - 08/04/12 09:33 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Pic 0324 up there caught my eye





nastily funky pic..


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: pablokabute]
    #16644032 - 08/04/12 09:54 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

really?

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16644055 - 08/04/12 10:00 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

you can always compare healthy myc growths from tons of posts around here..


meanwhile..

TOSS EM OUT.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: pablokabute]
    #16644214 - 08/04/12 10:39 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

All right, all right, everyone, let's jump off Robie's back. Robie -- I'm sorry you're having so much trouble. You said something on like page 1 waaaay back when about ordering a kit; contrary to the purists here, I would highly recommend using a kit, since you're just starting out. You have everything you need; you have highly detailed instructions and standardized procedures; nothing can go wrong. The kit you were linking to looks all right, but I personally would recommend getting something from caligrowkits.com -- they're reputable, their kits are cheap but well-made, and I personally can confirm that they work (at least for me!). Give it a shot!

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16644323 - 08/04/12 11:05 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I haven't smelled the jars so I don't know if they smell funky....

As far as the post you have send me about Wet Spot; Sour Rot, I don't see any resemblance between my  jars and the ones that are contaminated in the given post... But if you say so...

Also, bear in mind that I have used whole rice and not flour...

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    #16644369 - 08/04/12 11:19 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Dublinair said: I would highly recommend using a kit, since you're just starting out.




If there was a kit that was better for new growers than having them do it themselves, all the regulars would recommend that kit.
You'll see the experienced growers on this board do things differently, but most recommend one particular tek for everyone's first grow.
That tek is the PF tek, cakes fruited in a shotgun FC.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16648695 - 08/05/12 05:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I haven't smelled the jars so I don't know if they smell funky....

As far as the post you have send me about Wet Spot; Sour Rot, I don't see any resemblance between my  jars and the ones that are contaminated in the given post... But if you say so...

Also, bear in mind that I have used whole rice and not flour...





im quite sure if you give it a sniff, you will understand that it really is contaminated. tahahaha.


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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: pablokabute]
    #16649422 - 08/05/12 07:41 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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P. S.  The temperature in the closet is a little over 30c nowadays. Outside it reaches 40c :sun




I don't know if you guys picked up on it but I think his temps are too hot. I think he said 30C which is 86F. He probably doesn't have any a/c and it is Greece in the summer...hot.

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    #16649456 - 08/05/12 07:45 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

That is on the high end.
If 30C is the max he can still fruit, but if it gets much hotter likely not.
He may only be able to grow in some seasons. Well spotted.


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    #16649573 - 08/05/12 08:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I am having similar issues running around 82F. I have lowered the temps down to 78F or so and I think things are doing a little better.

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    #16649979 - 08/05/12 09:03 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

lol aluminum foil


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    #16650113 - 08/05/12 09:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

"spawn" them to your yard ...thank me later.

Seems like myc is less susceptible to contams when it is not confined in a small space.

How else would they grow in the wild :shrug:

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    #16651607 - 08/06/12 03:22 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The temperature inside the closet varies from 29 to 30+...

I thought I was lucky I live in a hot place so that I wouldn't have to construct the fruiting chamber with the thermostat etc..

What am I supposed to do now for the future batches? Should I wait for the tempremature to drop a few  degrees? The temperature I expect on August will be around 27 to 40...

Maybe I should try again at the end of September...

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16651905 - 08/06/12 05:43 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Too hot is not good. The mushroom growth slows down and the contaminant growth speeds up.

Maybe you can get jars with lids while waiting foe cooler temperatures to arrive.

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    #16652102 - 08/06/12 07:11 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So jars with lids are preferable to the ones with the foil ?
I didn't want to destroy the lids by making holes on them and that is why I used foil, but if  lids have a slight advantage over foil will use them next time..

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16653288 - 08/06/12 12:28 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The holes serve two purposes..one to provide a means of inoculating and secondly as a way to achieve GE  (gas exchange)...the air needs to be replenished a little. The amount varies depending upon the stage of mushroom growth.

Here are the abbreviations that you need

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15099000#15099000

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14885066#14885066

Think of it as a race when you sterilize and inoculate the jars, the mushrooms are in a race against the sea of bacteria that we live in. If the mushrooms can get ahead they will crush the bacteria and spores but if the bacteria gets ahead then the mushrooms will be crushed. You want to help those mushrooms as much as possible with sterilizing. lids with only small holes (maybe covered by filter tape) a dry vermiculite layer above the growing media. ideal mushroom temps etc etc

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Browser]
    #16653351 - 08/06/12 12:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

follow the already proven teks, why try and half ass it.. and you bought spores from ebay!  :laugh2:  :noway2:


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    #16653361 - 08/06/12 12:44 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

What I should have added is that the lids also provide another barrier against contamination getting into your jars. You now have two layers of armor...the lids and the dry vermiculite above the moist media.

So if you don't have lids then you have lost one protective barrier. You have the vermiculite still but if you tip your jars over to take pictures then you disturb the vermiculite layers and now that barrier has been breached and now have no protection left at all and the contaminants are going to get right in.....get the idea

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Re: First timer shroomer (Things are going too slow) [Re: Robie1983]
    #16657642 - 08/06/12 10:51 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Robie1983 said:
So jars with lids are preferable to the ones with the foil ?
I didn't want to destroy the lids by making holes on them and that is why I used foil, but if  lids have a slight advantage over foil will use them next time..





you can always slightly open the jars, really prompt and steady skills is needed, when inoculating..

atleast thats what i do, with HIGH success rate..


i dont even have filters whatsoever.. just make sure you mist(as in to clean the air of your work space) whatever it is you wanna use, diluted bleach is fine..


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