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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #16481841 - 07/04/12 06:12 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Biffzilla said:
Time to act?

Do you have any idea?WHAT?
What do you want to achieve, and HOW?




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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #16481843 - 07/04/12 06:13 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah there are still some remnants i guess.

youre right, it is an eternal struggle, its the reason im compelled to post.  I feel like we're losing the struggle and time is running out.

so many are confused and jaded, i need some hope here.

I feel like we are in a race agsint evil, and evil has us on the ropes.

if we dont do something the forces of darkness will march all over the face of the earth.

there is so much beauty and light in this world, i can not bear to see it all destroyed in some evil hedonistic orgy of corruption.

the fate of humanity is at stake, do you understand me?




no shit, byotch!
Light and dark go infinite ways in their own directions
Yet the "battle" is very finite. At the line. Crossing.

The forces of good seem to have no power.
Unless evil transmutates into good from within,

I do not believe there is any hope whatsoever.




i believe we are faced with a divine test that if we fail will lead to the extinction of our species, our natural (un)selection.

we are faced with a choice between immediate, hedonistic power, pleasure and playing god leading to our destruction

or chosing the virtues of living according to sustainable naturalistic rules.

one leads to the dimming of our species, and the other the enlightenment of it.

I do believe that when things get really bad, and all is revealed, humanity will rise up from the ashes and do what we need to survive, i just hope by then it wont be too late.


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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #16481845 - 07/04/12 06:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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aNeway2sayHooray said:
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DeadHearts said:
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aNeway2sayHooray said:
When does the communication begin and the bitching end?

The planning is done, its time to act.




People with viewpoints like mine / Shins are not popular. We get people telling us to shut the fuck
up what are you doing about it? we are fucked anyways blah blah blah.

Im down for conversation that creates actual change but it always seems like I have to defend
myself. How can anything get done that way? This country / world is so divided that it has become
so hard to get any kind of real movement going. Still it all begins with conversation.





Stop defending yourself. None of this is personal.

And a reply to the last bit of your comment: I just see negativity and someone who is beaten down and needs some hope and uplift.




Alright Im done with you. You are not making any sense.


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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #16481847 - 07/04/12 06:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Ok.


Go run and hide in your self pity and fear of change.



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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #16481854 - 07/04/12 06:15 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Im positive as fuck. What I spew on this website is called being aware.

You are the one that sounds scared.


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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #16481861 - 07/04/12 06:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself.

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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #16481863 - 07/04/12 06:18 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I know who I am do you know who you are? :lol:


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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #16481868 - 07/04/12 06:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

When its all said and done good vibes to ya man Im just not agreeing with you.


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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #16481873 - 07/04/12 06:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

"being aware"


Your earlier post with the huge eagle meme is your way of blindly flying your flag the same way these americans you bitch about blindly fly the red white and blue.


How has anything you have said here help the situation? We are all aware of the state the country is in. We as in the majority of the community you are communicating with right now.


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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #16481879 - 07/04/12 06:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I know who I am do you know who you are? :lol:





No I dont.

Life is about discovering who I am, for me anyway. The moment I know who I am is the moment i realize I am doing something wrong and not progressing or learning in anyway.


And good vibes to you too. Like I said, this is not personal. I like you a lot and you are a good person it seems.


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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: Biffzilla]
    #16481919 - 07/04/12 06:31 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_legend



he stab-in-the-back myth (German: About this sound Dolchstoßlegende (help·info))[1] is the notion, widely believed in right-wing circles in Germany after 1918, that the German Army did not lose World War I but was instead betrayed by the civilians on the home front, especially the republicans who overthrew the monarchy. Advocates denounced the German government leaders who signed the Armistice on November 11, 1918, as the "November Criminals".

When the Nazis came to power in 1933 they made the legend an integral part of their official history of the 1920s, portraying the Weimar Republic as the work of the "November criminals" who used the stab in the back to seize power while betraying the nation. The Nazi propaganda depicted Weimar as "a morass of corruption, degeneracy, national humiliation, ruthless persecution of the honest 'national opposition' —- fourteen years of rule by Jews, Marxists and 'cultural Bolsheviks', who had at last been swept away by the National Socialist movement under Adolf Hitler and the victory of the 'national revolution' of 1933."[2]

Scholars inside and outside Germany unanimously reject the notion, pointing out the German army was out of reserves and was being overwhelmed in late 1918.[3]
Contents

    1 1919
        1.1 Post-war reactions and reflections
    2 Origins
    3 Second World War
    4 See also
    5 References
    6 External links

1919

The theme of stab-in-the-back was articulated in 1919 most prominently by General Erich Ludendorff, one of the two top German commanders. He blamed the Berlin government and the civilian population for the armistice/surrender of November 1918, saying they had failed to support him, had let him down, and had proved itself unworthy of the traditions of a fighting nation. He popularized the Dolchstoß terminology, and became a prominent right-wing leader in the 1920s.[4]

German popular reaction to the Treaty of Versailles of 1919 was highly negative. As a result of the Treaty, Germany's territory was reduced by about 13%, several million ethnic Germans came under foreign rule, even though they were the majority in many of those areas, the Rhineland was demilitarized and Allied troops occupied several areas. (see Territorial changes of Germany). There were also enormous war reparations to be paid over a period of 70 years, although they ended in 1931 (but were resumed after World War II). The most important aspect of the Treaty relating to the Dolchstoßlegende was the War Guilt Clause (Kriegsschuldklausel), which forced Germany to accept complete responsibility for the hostilities.
Post-war reactions and reflections
"12,000 Jewish soldiers died on the field of honor for the fatherland." A leaflet published in 1920 by German Jewish veterans in response to accusations of the lack of patriotism

Conservatives, nationalists and ex-military leaders began to speak critically about the peace and Weimar politicians, socialists, communists, Jews, and sometimes even Catholics were viewed with suspicion due to presumed extra-national loyalties. It was claimed that they had not supported the war and had played a role in selling out Germany to its enemies. These November Criminals, or those who seemed to benefit from the newly formed Weimar Republic, were seen to have "stabbed them in the back" on the home front, by either criticizing German nationalism, instigating unrest and strikes in the critical military industries or profiteering. In essence, the accusation was that the accused committed treason against the "benevolent and righteous" common cause. These theories were given credence by the fact that when Germany surrendered in November 1918, its armies were still in French and Belgian territory, Berlin remained 450 miles from the nearest front, and the German armies retired from the field of battle in good order.

The Allies had been amply resupplied by the United States, which also had fresh armies ready for combat, but the UK and France were too war-weary to contemplate an invasion of Germany with its unknown consequences. On the Western Front, no Allied army had penetrated the western German frontier, and on the Eastern Front, Germany had already won the war against Russia, concluded with the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. In the West, Germany had come close to winning the war with the Spring Offensive. Contributing to the Dolchstoßlegende, its failure was blamed on strikes in the arms industry at a critical moment of the offensive, leaving soldiers without an adequate supply of materiel. The strikes were seen to be instigated by treasonous elements, with the Jews taking most of the blame.[citation needed] This overlooked Germany's strategic position and ignored how the efforts of individuals were somewhat marginalized on the front, since the belligerents were engaged in a new kind of war. The industrialization of war had dehumanized the process, and made possible a new kind of defeat which the Germans suffered as a total war emerged.

The weakness of Germany's strategic position was exacerbated by the rapid collapse of the other Central Powers in late 1918, following Allied victories on the Macedonian and Italian fronts. Bulgaria was the first to sign an armistice on September 29, 1918 at Saloniki.[5] On October 30 the Ottoman Empire capitulated at Mudros.[5] On November 3 Austria-Hungary sent a flag of truce to ask for an Armistice. The terms, arranged by telegraph with the Allied Authorities in Paris, were communicated to the Austrian commander and accepted. The Armistice with Austria-Hungary was signed in the Villa Giusti, near Padua, on November 3. Austria and Hungary signed separate armistices following the overthrow of the Habsburg monarchy.

Nevertheless, the idea of domestic betrayal resonated among its audience, and its claims would provide some basis for public support for the emerging National Socialist Party, under an autocratic form of nationalism. Anti Jewish sentiment was intensified by the Bavarian Soviet Republic, a Communist government which ruled the city of Munich for two weeks before being crushed by the Freikorps militia. Many of the Bavarian Soviet Republic's leaders were Jewish, allowing anti-Jewish propagandists to connect Jews with Communism (and thus treason).

Hunt (1958) argues the myth was an irrational belief which commanded the force of irrefutable emotional convictions for millions of Germans. He suggests that in back of these myths resided a sense of communal shame, not for causing the war, but for losing it. Hunt argues that it was not the guilt of wickedness, but the shame of weakness that seized Germany's national psychology, and "served as a solvent of the Weimar democracy and also as an ideological cement of Hitler's dictatorship."[6]
Origins
Reichspräsident Friedrich Ebert: (1923), as Provisional President of the Weimar Republic in 1919, he contributed to the myth, in telling home-coming veterans that “no enemy has vanquished you”.

In the latter part of the war, Germany was practically a military dictatorship, with the Supreme High Command (German: OHL, "Oberste Heeresleitung") and General Field Marshal Paul von Hindenburg as commander-in-chief advising the Kaiser. After the last German offensive on the Western Front failed in 1918, the war effort was doomed. In response, OHL arranged for a rapid change to a civilian government. General Ludendorff, Germany's Chief of Staff, said:

    I have asked His Excellency to now bring those circles to power which we have to thank for coming so far. We will therefore now bring those gentlemen into the ministries. They can now make the peace which has to be made. They can eat the broth which they have prepared for us!

On November 11, 1918, the representatives of the newly formed Weimar Republic signed an armistice with the Allies which would end World War I. The subsequent Treaty of Versailles led to further territorial and financial losses. As the Kaiser had been forced to abdicate and the military relinquished executive power, it was the temporary "civilian government" that sued for peace - the signature on the document was of Matthias Erzberger, a civilian, who was later murdered for his alleged treason; this led to the signing of the Treaty of Versailles.

The official birth of the term "stab-in-the-back" itself possibly can be dated to the autumn of 1919, when Ludendorff was dining with the head of the British Military Mission in Berlin, British general Sir Neill Malcolm. Malcolm asked Ludendorff why it was that he thought Germany lost the war. Ludendorff replied with his list of excuses, including that the home front failed the army.

    Malcolm asked him: "Do you mean, General, that you were stabbed in the back?" Ludendorff's eyes lit up and he leapt upon the phrase like a dog on a bone. "Stabbed in the back?" he repeated. "Yes, that's it, exactly, we were stabbed in the back." And thus was born a legend which has never entirely perished.[7]

The phrase was to Ludendorff's liking, and he let it be known among the general staff that this was the 'official' version, and so it was disseminated throughout German society. This was picked up by right-wing political factions and used as a form of attack against the SPD-led early Weimar government, which had come to power in the German Revolution of November 1918.

In 1919 Deutschvölkischer Schutz und Trutzbund leader Alfred Roth, writing under the pseudonym Otto Arnim, published the book The Jew in the Army which he said was based on evidence gathered during his participation on the Judenzählung. Roth's work claimed that most Jews involved in the war were only taking part as profiteers and spies, whilst he also blamed Jewish officers on fostering a defeatist mentality which impacted negatively on their soldiers. As such the book offered one of the earliest published versions of the Stab-in-the-back legend.[8]

In November 1919, the newly elected Weimar National Assembly initiated a Untersuchungsausschuß für Schuldfragen to investigate the causes of the World War and Germany's defeat. On November 18, von Hindenburg testified in front of this parliamentary commission, and cited a December 17, 1918 Neue Zürcher Zeitung article that summarized two earlier articles in the Daily Mail by British General Frederick Barton Maurice with the phrase that the German army had been 'dagger-stabbed from behind by the civilian populace' ("von der Zivilbevölkerung von hinten erdolcht."). (Maurice later disavowed having used the term himself.). It was particularly this testimony of Hindenburg that led to the wide spread of the Dolchstoßlegende in post-World War I Germany.

Richard Steigmann-Gall says that the stab-in-the-back legend traces back to a sermon preached on February 3, 1918, by Protestant Court Chaplain Bruno Doehring, six months before the war had even ended.[9] German scholar Boris Barth, in contrast to Steigmann-Gall, implies that Doehring did not actually use the term, but spoke only of 'betrayal'.[10] Barth traces the first documented use to a centrist political meeting in the Munich Löwenbräu-Keller on November 2, 1918, in which Ernst Müller-Meiningen, a member of the Progressive coalition in the Reichstag, used the term to exhort his listeners to keep fighting:

    As long as the front holds, we damned well have the duty to hold out in the homeland. We would have to be ashamed of ourselves in front of our children and grandchildren if we attacked the battle front from the rear and gave it a dagger-stab. (wenn wir der Front in den Rücken fielen und ihr den Dolchstoß versetzten.)

Barth also shows that the term was primarily popularized by the patriotic German newspaper Deutsche Tageszeitung that repeatedly quoted the Neue Zürcher article after Hindenburg had referred to it in front of the parliamentary inquiry commission.
Warrior to War: Siegfried departs from Kriemhild. (Julius Schnorr von Carolsfeld, ca. 1843). In the epic poem Nibelungenlied (Song of the Nibelungs), Siegfried is famously stabbed in the back by Hagen.

Charges of a Jewish conspirational element in Germany's defeat drew heavily upon figures like Kurt Eisner, a Berlin-born German Jew who lived in Munich. He had written about the illegal nature of the war from 1916 onward, and he also had a large hand in the Munich revolution until he was assassinated in February 1919. The Weimar Republic under Friedrich Ebert violently suppressed workers' uprisings with the help of Gustav Noske and Reichswehr General Groener, and tolerated the paramilitary Freikorps forming all across Germany. In spite of such tolerance, the Republic's legitimacy was constantly attacked with claims such as the stab-in-the-back. Many of its representatives such as Matthias Erzberger and Walther Rathenau were assassinated, and the leaders were branded as "criminals" and Jews by the right-wing press dominated by Alfred Hugenberg.

The noted German historian Friedrich Meinecke attempted to trace the roots of the expression in a June 11, 1922 article in the Viennese newspaper Neue Freie Presse. In the 1924 national election, the Munich cultural journal Süddeutsche Monatshefte published a series of articles blaming the SPD and trade unions for Germany's defeat in World War I, which came out during the trial of Adolf Hitler and Ludendorff for high treason following the Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. The editor of an SPD newspaper sued the journal for defamation, giving rise to what is known as the Munich Dolchstoßprozess from October 19 to November 20, 1925. Many prominent figures testified in that trial, including members of the parliamentary committee investigating the reasons for the defeat, so some of its results were made public long before the publication of the committee report in 1928.

The Dolchstoß was a central image in propaganda produced by the many right-wing and traditionally conservative political parties that sprang up in the early days of the Weimar Republic, including Hitler's NSDAP. For Hitler himself, this explanatory model for World War I was of crucial personal importance.[11] He had learned of Germany's defeat while being treated for temporary blindness following a gas attack on the front.[11] In Mein Kampf, he described a vision at this time which drove him to enter politics. Throughout his career, he railed against the "November criminals" of 1918, who had stabbed the German Army in the back.

Even provisional President Friedrich Ebert contributed to the myth when he saluted returning veterans with the oration that "no enemy has vanquished you" (kein Feind hat euch überwunden!) and "they returned undefeated from the battlefield (sie sind vom Schlachtfeld unbesiegt zurückgekehrt)" on November 10, 1918. The latter quote was shortened to im Felde unbesiegt as a semi-official slogan of the Reichswehr. Ebert had meant these sayings as a tribute to the German soldier, but it only contributed to the prevailing feeling.
Second World War

The Allied policy of unconditional surrender was devised in 1943 in part to avoid a repetition of the stab-in-the-back theme. In terms of the British perspective, "It was necessary for the Nazi régime and/or the German Generals to surrender unconditionally in order to bring home to the German people that they had lost the War of themselves; so that their defeat should not be attributed to a 'stab in the back'."[12]


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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: Humility]
    #16481947 - 07/04/12 06:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)





Because I can


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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #16482046 - 07/04/12 07:12 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

They used to say GOD BLESS AMERICA.

in a few years they'll say:

GOD BLESS ALEX JONES.

he's annoying and also wants to feed of the lighted shedded by the illuminati, but at least he knows whats going on even though people thinks he's nuts, which he is....

but he's the only real american on a commercial level I know.
I mean sure ventura and those people are all old skool patriots but Alex Jones
is on a new wave and he is a commercialist out to make money too
True American.

not just AN AMERICAN but TRUE, too.

kind of. in a way its a contradiction in terms since business is all about swindling people out of their money, which is what government does too...


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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: Biffzilla]
    #16482081 - 07/04/12 07:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Here is my take on Alex jones.

He is a disinfo-agent and is unaware of it.


Some stuff he says is on point and then he totally discredits the important matters with tons of paranoid bullshit he hears on the internet or from other paranoid delusionals and then cites his own websites as sources for his outrageous, fear mongering claims.




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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #16482192 - 07/04/12 07:40 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Humility this i cant fathom completely...

Many of the Bavarian Soviet Republic's leaders were Jewish, allowing anti-Jewish propagandists to connect Jews with Communism (and thus treason).

so are yo telling me that there were Jewish anti-Jewish propagandists?
I dont readily understand that phrase....


AWESOME post though, many thanks.


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Re: Unhappy july 4th - constitution is dead, country ruled by tyrant globalists and banks. [Re: Biffzilla]
    #16482226 - 07/04/12 07:45 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

alex jones is a spin doctor.
sure
he has a critical crumb of validity though, the rest of his crap is just to fill airtime...
Like i said he's feeding off the illuminati's glow in an inverse way
he is what I'd call not a illuminati but a re-luminati. And he's blaring that horn to justify his own identity but also to improve it (to an extent he finds convenient) along with actually wanting to "improve society" or criticize it will its highly convenient for him to be the way it is, otherwise he'd have nothing to rant about.
So he's a self fulfilling anomale. Im not even disgustipated because he deserves whatever success comes to him because the fragments of truth he carries is very much valuable regardless the rest is all spin doctor faeces.


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