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OfflineJackal
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How you treat others is how you will be judged.
    #1647126 - 06/20/03 04:31 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Lately I've got to thinking how people vary in their attitude even though we are all created equal.

Obviously there are many factors that affect someones attitude towards others, but everyone is capable of being nice or a complete bastard. Sadly it's mostly unjustified.

Considering that we all step forward onto this Earth as equals yet individuals, surely one of the areas of our judgement is how comfortable we make others feel. Take bullies for example and the misery they give to innocent people, it is meaningless malice - they will be punished when that time comes.

No-one has the right to take away another individuals happiness. I believe that there is an emotional balance at work in the universe and that anyone who distributes misery will themselves eventually come to torment.

I'm not religious in the classical meaning, but I do believe we are privilged to be having a human experience. And that when the experience ends we will go on to have an experience of a different kind.


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Jackal]
    #1647205 - 06/20/03 05:26 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Is a mentally handicapped, paralyzed from birth person created as equal as everyone else?
If so, explain!


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Jackal]
    #1647206 - 06/20/03 05:34 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

No-one has the right to take away another individuals happiness.

Where do you get these platitudes from? Does the lion have the "right" to take away the zebra's happiness?


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Swami]
    #1647255 - 06/20/03 05:59 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Swami said:
No-one has the right to take away another individuals happiness.

Where do you get these platitudes from? Does the lion have the "right" to take away the zebra's happiness? 




Yes, or else the Lion will die. I'm talking about higher order meanness, where there is unjustified suffering.

If I had to torture someone to death in order to save humanity, then I'm afraid it'd have to be done. The end justifies the means.

But I wouldn't torture someone for my own perverse pleasures, no-one deserves to suffer for others amusement. It's those individuals with that kind of mentality that will thus end up wallowing in their own self-induced torment.

"What goes around" - to borrow a cliche. :wink:


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Brugman]
    #1647259 - 06/20/03 06:01 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Brugman said:
Is a mentally handicapped, paralyzed from birth person created as equal as everyone else?
If so, explain!




Personally I don't feel that birth is the beginning of the human experience.


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Jackal]
    #1647964 - 06/20/03 01:36 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

How about treat others the way you would like to be treatted. Screw the judged part. According to judgment and the ways of the universe, that you send out energy it being positive or negative creates a positive or negative change, which MAY return.

Ever heard the saying of a butterfly flaps its wings and the wind energy, makes change until its a gust of wind 3 states across and effects something somewhere else.

Sending out negative energy, would result in making the world a worst place, not to mention it may come back to you, and same for positive energy.

Most of my life ive tryed to "send out positive energy" or treat others the way i would like to be treatted. In return i ask for the same to me. The problem is that i was excepting it. Not to long ago, i learned that excepting it was the problem, that i could just give and not except in return.

I may not be over my problems but aleast im a aware of them.


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1648023 - 06/20/03 02:05 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

what about masochists? that's why I think that the golden rule is bullshit.


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Malachi]
    #1648046 - 06/20/03 02:15 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I think masochism is different because the person wants to be degraded, humiliated, etc. It's not like you are doing them out of cruelty.


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: neutralizer]
    #1648098 - 06/20/03 02:29 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

right. exactly. so if you applied the golden rule to a masochist who brutally rapes people, (correction: sadomasochist) he/she would be moral.


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Malachi]
    #1648109 - 06/20/03 02:31 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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what about masochists? that's why I think that the golden rule is bullshit




The Golden Rule is an approximation, as are all rigid rules.

It was a first formulation, and probably seemed revolutionary at the time.
Maybe we are ready for something more sophisticated, like for example:

"Try to imagine yourself in the other person's place, including having other personal preferences than those you have now"


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1648357 - 06/20/03 03:53 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I think that's asking too much. A more reasonable variation is "don't begrudge yourself for acting as you must and don't begrudge others for doing the same"


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Malachi]
    #1648402 - 06/20/03 04:03 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I think the best way to solve this problem starts with us and our kids. Install the message into them. The more people that do this, years later, it will be a lot better. People need to start actually raising a kid, instead of letting the T.V. do it. I mean, their personalities and outlook on life come from us, for the most part. Let's do it right.
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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Jackal]
    #1648565 - 06/20/03 04:35 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

"The end justifies the means."

muahahaaaa nah I don't agree with that.

so if Hitler had followed through and somehow defeated everybody and created his aryian race worldwide, and everybody thought they were happy, would the holocaust and WWII have been justified?

The problem is discretion - the fact that people have such different views on things I think makes "the end justifies the means" statements very scary - if we had just bombed the shit out of iraq's citizens and killed innocent people left and right, but eventually created a peaceful democratic state, would the end have justified the means?


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Brugman]
    #1648722 - 06/20/03 05:27 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Is a mentally handicapped, paralyzed from birth person created as equal as everyone else?
If so, explain!





Wow are you saying they should be treated different than others just because you have (maybe have) all your mental facilities? I dont understand the questions there. If everyone treated everyone with a little freakin respect you wouldnt have half the bad shit going on in the world. Thats a fact!


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Meat_Log_Smurf]
    #1649452 - 06/20/03 09:30 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Meat_Log_Smurf said:
Quote:

Is a mentally handicapped, paralyzed from birth person created as equal as everyone else?
If so, explain!





Wow are you saying they should be treated different than others just because you have (maybe have) all your mental facilities?




...Well, yeah, I'd say that. I don't want a severely mentally handicapped person operating a nuclear reactor, would you? ...Or probably driving a car, or let to wander around my bathroom where medicines are kept out, or my bedroom where there're sharp objects everywhere...


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1650118 - 06/21/03 02:14 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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if we had just bombed the shit out of iraq's citizens and killed innocent people left and right, but eventually created a peaceful democratic state, would the end have justified the means?




Yes.


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Sev]
    #1650167 - 06/21/03 03:10 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

that first quote isnt mine. but the question is how do you treat your fellow ma, basically. Of course I wouldn't want him to have a job thats dangerous to him or people surrounding him. Duh, thats just common sense, but do I treat mentally handicapped people like humans yes. Do I make fun of them no. I have a cousin thats mentally handicapped hes one of the kindest persons youll ever meet, unless you take his food, then he cusses like a sailor. The point is expect to be treated the same way you treat others, and vise versa.


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1650307 - 06/21/03 05:30 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Strumpling said:
"The end justifies the means."

muahahaaaa nah I don't agree with that.

so if Hitler had followed through and somehow defeated everybody and created his aryian race worldwide, and everybody thought they were happy, would the holocaust and WWII have been justified?

The problem is discretion - the fact that people have such different views on things I think makes "the end justifies the means" statements very scary - if we had just bombed the shit out of iraq's citizens and killed innocent people left and right, but eventually created a peaceful democratic state, would the end have justified the means?




We all have a fundamental sense of what is right and what is wrong. Even if Hitler took over the world and installed his aryan (*spelling) race, we would know deep down that his methods were evil hence wrong.

I admit its easier than getting people to follow you just by being altruistic and a lover of life. But when your motives are judged, the impact you had doesn't matter.


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Jackal]
    #1650529 - 06/21/03 10:18 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

:rolleyes:


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Re: How you treat others is how you will be judged. [Re: Jackal]
    #1650792 - 06/21/03 01:08 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)


How you treat others is how you will be judged.

Not true. If someone is being an ass to you, you are not going to be friendly to that person.


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