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Acetone shatter oil TEK * 8
    #16455331 - 06/29/12 10:35 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I love oil. It is by far my favorite way to consume THC. So I figured out how to make it, because fuck paying what people charge for what basically amounts to a little bit of trim, a little bit of solvent and a little bit of time. I can do it myself for cheap, and so can you!

This is something that I've adapted and modified and brainstormed and (especially) experimented on for a long time now, and I think I've finally got it down.

For the materials, I'm going to list what I use. I happen to have lab glass, but you can make substitutions where you need to. Just make sure to test any plastics with a bit of your solvent to make sure that they won't dissolve.

If you wanna see how I do it without lab glass, click here.

SAFETY PRECAUTIONS! DO NOT SKIP THIS PART!

Risk of fire. Do not perform this extraction near open flames or sparks. Do not smoke in the vicinity of this extraction. If a fire starts, cover it with baking soda and cut all heat sources. Use adequate ventilation. If at any time you feel lightheaded or dizzy, seek fresh air immediately. Damaged glass may explode when heated or rapidly cooled. Always wear oven mitts when handling hot glass. Always make sure to use clean solvents. Do not perform this extraction in any place where it may be illegal.

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Materials



Plant material (you get out what you put in, so use high quality pot)
70mm Buchner funnel
Filter paper (fast-draining type)
500 ml vacuum flask
3 x 125 ml Erlenmeyer flasks
Pyrex dish
Razor blades
Acetone (anhydrous preferred but not necessary)


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Procedure

Step 1:

Measure out your solvent first. For the first pull, measure out 14 ml of solvent per gram of plant material. For the second and third pulls, measure out 12 ml of solvent per gram, per pull (IE: if you were running 10 grams, you'd have 3 flasks - one with 140 ml, one with 120 ml and another with 120 ml.) The reason you use extra solvent on the first pull is because the plant material will soak up some of the solvent. Put all 3 flasks of clean solvent in the freezer for at least 4 hours. The colder, the better.



Step 2:

Break up your pot very finely, removing all seeds and stems as they will impart a bad taste in your final product. I like to use a coffee grinder. It doesn't have to be powdered, but it should be a good bit finer than what's required to roll a joint.

Step 3:

Set up your Buchner funnel on top of your flask. Place the filter paper in it and put your plant material on top of the filter.



Step 4:

Slowly pour your solvent over the plant material. Remember to use the flask with the most solvent for the first pull. Do not overfill the funnel. Make sure to cover all your plant material, but don't fill to more than 3/4 full. Do multiple runs or buy bigger equipment if necessary.

Wait for your solvent to drain completely, using only gravity, before starting the next pull. Do not press the plant material at any point to remove solvent. A vacuum pump may be useful to get the last bit of solvent out of the last pull, but never use a vacuum on the first or second pulls.

Pour each pull into its' own separate evaporation dish or combine them all. Each pull will vary in potency, taste and yield.



Step 5:

Evaporate using a fan. Once your oil no longer smells of acetone, place in a pre-heated oven at 200F for 30 minutes to remove any residual solvent. Let cool slightly before collection. Collect your oil with a razor while warm but not hot. You should be able to pick the evaporation dish up without any protection, but it should still feel very warm.

(Optional)

Step 6:

Dry the oil, then leave it in the pan - do not scrape it with a razor as in the last step. Fill your evaporation dish 3/4 of the way with distilled water. Heat this in your oven at 250 F for 30-60 minutes. Allow the dish to cool to room temperature, then place it in the fridge for two hours, or until all oil has precipitated. Do not freeze. Discard the water and repeat a total of 3-5 times.

Step 7:

Add a minimal amount of warm solvent (anyhdrous preferred) to the pan and re-dissolve all your oil. Filter if necessary, making sure to wash your filter paper with more warm solvent so as to not lose product.

Step 8: Evaporate with a fan again in the same pan. Scrape up with a razor when completely dry and still warm but not hot.



Blackberry Kush shatter oil



Also Blackberry Kush shatter oil

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That's pretty much it. It's extremely simple and extremely effective. Yield ranges from about 15-25% depending on the pot used. This was designed for concentrating good, organic pot. I do not suggest using any plant material that hasn't been properly flushed, as this will concentrate the bad along with the good, creating bad flavors, reduced potency and potential future health problems. So no brick weed. It'll work just fine, but you have been warned. I reccomend that you smoke this from a proper concentrate pipe. My favorite is the nail/dome setup, but there are others out there. Failing that, hot knives have never failed any hash enthusiast.

Note: I do not feel that vacuum purging is necessary with this method, as long as proper water washes/drying methods are used. Acetone is miscible with water (unlike butane) and therefore should theoretically be effectively removed with water washes and sufficient drying.

----This is, like everything I may write, a work in progress. It will change slightly as I get more experience and learn more.----------


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These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #16455762 - 06/29/12 12:08 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

You should use 99% but i am sure you already know that.  Pulls with 91% are still rather shitty compared to other things you can do (BHO).

However you may want to introduce a freeze precip, people get some rather interesting material that way.


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: POWAtrippin]
    #16455823 - 06/29/12 12:21 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I wrote it up so that you should use acetone, which is why I didn't list alcohol in the materials. I'm going to be taking the part about the alcohol out, it's just all I had on hand.

But yes, if you were to use alcohol for this, 99% would be best. You can really use any solvent you want, but after much experimentation, I like acetone.

PLEASE, NO MORE COMMENTS/QUESTIONS ABOUT USING ALCOHOL. THIS TEK CALLS FOR ACETONE. I ONLY USED ALCOHOL TO SHOW THE PROCEDURE BECAUSE I WAS OUT OF ACETONE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS EXTRACTION PROCEDURE. IT WILL JUST CONFUSE PEOPLE LATER ON WHEN I EDIT. THANK YOU.

Freeze precipitating isn't applicable here, because we're using cold solvent. I've tried extracting with room temp solvent and then freezing all the fats out, but it just doesn't work as well as using cold solvent to begin with.


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Pat The Bunny said:
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bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #16455910 - 06/29/12 12:43 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

All that aside, why are you not doing BHO?  I can prepare about 10 grams of quality BHO in about a half hour probably...

And i think for freeze precip you would want to use a warm solvent reduce volume thru evap then freeze and cold filter.  I have had hash this way that felt every bit as strong as some of the super critical extractions.

Edit, sorry i misread it as an iso extraction first off.

Another thought, when i was making a lot of oil i noticed a pretty big difference in how finely i ground the weed and the final product.

Are you drying your acetone before the quick wash?

How long are your evap times with acetone per given amount of product?


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: POWAtrippin]
    #16456053 - 06/29/12 01:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

GreedAndVanity said:
All that aside, why are you not doing BHO?  I can prepare about 10 grams of quality BHO in about a half hour probably...




Because butane is more selective than acetone. Acetone pulls more of the terpenes and minor cannabinoids without pulling too much chlorophyll. The oil still tastes & smells like the original pot and has the same characteristic high, just in a stronger form.

Also, acetone is cheaper and easier to source than butane.

Quote:

And i think for freeze precip you would want to use a warm solvent reduce volume thru evap then freeze and cold filter.  I have had hash this way that felt every bit as strong as some of the super critical extractions.




It's just as strong, but it's just not necessary if you freeze the solvent beforehand, and it saves time. This is why I've worked it out to the amount of solvent that I'm using.

Quote:

Another thought, when i was making a lot of oil i noticed a pretty big difference in how finely i ground the weed and the final product.




I've noticed that the yield goes up when it's ground while the quality remains the same, as long as you do a quick wash instead of soaking for 20-30 seconds.

Quote:

Are you drying your acetone before the quick wash?




I do if I can, but it's not necessary. Anhydrous acetone will make slightly better oil.

Quote:

How long are your evap times with acetone per given amount of product?




This is an unanswerable question. It depends on the heat you use, the airflow you have and the surface area of your evaporation dish.


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Pat The Bunny said:
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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #16456230 - 06/29/12 01:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So you do not have a standard evap process?  I wasn't trying to find an exact answer on how fast I can dry it.  I was kind of looking for an average time YOU take per volume of solvent used.

Do you freeze your trim first?

I always did just because it makes grinding it easier. (just need a your hands and a fairly thick plastic bag) For you though it would also reduce the temps of the wash.


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: POWAtrippin]
    #16457108 - 06/29/12 05:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It depends on the container you put it in to evaporate, if you have a fan over it, any heat applied, etc. You could evaporate a gallon of acetone in a couple hours under the right conditions so like he said, its not really answerable. Just evaporate until there is no acetone smell left, then leave it a bit longer to be sure.


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: POWAtrippin]
    #16472321 - 07/02/12 08:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

GreedAndVanity said:
So you do not have a standard evap process?  I wasn't trying to find an exact answer on how fast I can dry it.  I was kind of looking for an average time YOU take per volume of solvent used.




If I run 14 grams, in my pan, it takes probably 30 minutes. I wont go into how I evap, because I do it a stupid, dangerous way that I wouldnt suggest to others.

Quote:

Do you freeze your trim first?

I always did just because it makes grinding it easier. (just need a your hands and a fairly thick plastic bag) For you though it would also reduce the temps of the wash.




No freezing of the plant material. I just run it through a coffee grinder. And I actually don't use trim, I use top notch buds. If I grew pot myself, Id probably use trim, and I wouldn't freeze it.


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If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more.

Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #16472396 - 07/02/12 09:03 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I must admit, I don't recommend using alcohol as a solvent. It's not about the slow evaporation process, or the amount of water in it, making it non anhydrous. Really, to me it doesn't seem to make a great solvent.

Although not extremely volatile, it doesn't have the risks while making hash that some other chemicals do. But to me it's ability to make things have a very concentrated purity, just isn't there. I have made hash from alcohol every which way, with a dehumidifier, with crappy herb, with good herb. I've had some good results, but never seen the quality of perhaps what you'd get with bubble hash, either using butane or a bag filtering technique.

I'm not going to lie and say I've I have a lot of experience with making bubble hash, as to say I know of the techniques used when I myself have smoked bubble hash. Obviously I've smoked bubble hash which at times was out of this world, and other times very good but not the same quality. Hash I've made with alcohol seems to have the same consistency as bubble hash, and burns the same way, catches fire a few seconds then when you blow it out it bubbles, and gives very good pure tasting hits. However, I've never noticed the quality to be as powerful. As though maybe it's a problem with my filtering?

Could be, also could be a problem that alcohol is not necessarily anhydrous, and also could be a problem that alcohol absorbs lots of moisture from the air. Whatever the case, alcohol seems to give a less purely concentrated extract. Now those pictures you have don't seem to lie. Very greenish tends to indicate plant matter vs. very blackish, but I also see a high rate of crystallisation, that does indeed look very pure.

My curiosity with the bubble bag technique, besides waste, is the fact that thc dissolves in non polar solvents. And yet water and ice clearly show polar attributes. I know the thc isn't really dissolving in the water, what is happening is the cold temperature is causing the crystals to break off from the plant matter and clump together. Yet for the crystals to be filtered out, there must be some ability for the thc to dissolve in water, otherwise they would float to the top, and wouldn't filter porously through the bags. At any rate, here is a good web site for a good technique:

http://www.marijuana.com/threads/cannabis-concentrates.294304/

still, this article seems to prefer alcohol.


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: imachavel]
    #16472502 - 07/02/12 09:26 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

You can't really compare bubble hash to oil like that. Oil uses a chemical extraction, bubble is a physical extraction.

I can tell that my oil is pure when I smoke it in my nail. It bubbles immediately, leaves 0 residue on either the dabber or the nail, and the high is AMAZING. It will literally knock you on your ass. Personally, I won't stand up when I hit it. I don't suggest anyone else do, either. If you're just smoking it on a bowl, whatever, just smoke it. But if you have a proper tool (nail/globe or a vapor swing), you had better watch your ass the first time you hit it. It'll surprise you.

The actual problem with using alcohol to make oil is that alcohol just isn't very selective at all. It pulls lots of plant fats and chlorophyll and other nasties that you don't want in your oil. This is why it always comes out black.

Acetone, on the other hand, is slightly more selective than alcohol, but not as selective as butane. If you use room temp acetone, the oil comes out pretty damn dirty. But the cold is the key. It lowers the solubility enough so that it doesn't pull fats, waxes or any bullshit, but it's not so selective that it leaves behind the terpenes and minor cannabanoids that butane can miss. IMO it's the perfect balance.


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If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more.

Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #16473608 - 07/03/12 03:30 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hey, perhaps look into bestine (pretty much pure f-in' N-HEPTANE) to make this TEK better.

EDIT: A bit more research suggests there are impurities in bestine heptane which make it undesirable, but perhaps some fracional distillation might yield something worthwhile.


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: Ieponumos]
    #16474960 - 07/03/12 12:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, Bestine is pretty damn pure, at least where I get it. I use it to recrystallize DMT sometimes.

I haven't tried it for oil yet, but I doubt it'd do what I want. I'm sure the oil would be more pure (as in a higher THC content) but I like that acetone pulls the flavor and characteristics of the high.


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If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more.

Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #17173604 - 11/06/12 04:16 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Bump, so hopefully some more people will read it and give feedback or ask questions.


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Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #17183837 - 11/08/12 09:12 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Im gonna try this out with my new buchner funnel next time I get some good bud to try it with. Already have my dry acetone ready.


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #17184201 - 11/08/12 10:51 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

36fuckin5 said:
Actually, Bestine is pretty damn pure, at least where I get it. I use it to recrystallize DMT sometimes.

I haven't tried it for oil yet, but I doubt it'd do what I want. I'm sure the oil would be more pure (as in a higher THC content) but I like that acetone pulls the flavor and characteristics of the high.



Not just that, but now that I think of it n-heptane is heavier than any of the above proposed solvents, so it would take the longest to evaporate.

Also, judging by the suggested ratio and looking at your 1st beaker with an estimated solvent volume of 72 or so mL, you were running about 6 grams, correct?

Is the final picture representative of what your started out with? That's quite a bit if you got that much from 6g . Must have been some dank.


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: Ieponumos]
    #17185738 - 11/08/12 04:40 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

mukhail said:
Im gonna try this out with my new buchner funnel next time I get some good bud to try it with. Already have my dry acetone ready.




Please post your results!

Quote:

Ieponumos said:
Also, judging by the suggested ratio and looking at your 1st beaker with an estimated solvent volume of 72 or so mL, you were running about 6 grams, correct?




I can't remember exactly how much I used, but yeah, it was 5 or 6 grams.

Quote:

Is the final picture representative of what your started out with? That's quite a bit if you got that much from 6g . Must have been some dank.




Lol, no, that's not what I pulled from the demonstration. In the pics, I'm actually using 91% isopropyl alcohol and some schwag weed. I just did it for the sake of the pictures, because I didn't have any acetone at the time.

The product from using IPA completely sucked IMO, though. It left crap on my nail and tasted awful. It definitely concentrated the cannabanoids and made it tolerable to smoke.

I normally get between 15-25% yield from dank weed using this method. I plan on posting more results just to show that it's repeatable, I've just been broke lately, so I've not had anything to run.


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Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #17185849 - 11/08/12 05:04 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Would this extraction be good with shake/stems?


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: LucyLove]
    #17187611 - 11/08/12 10:32 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Wow! I love this idea!

That Blackberry Kush Oil looks A MAY ZING!

I don't have lab glass, would a regular funnel and coffee filters suffice? I'm about to smoke again for the first time in about 8 months, and I would LOVE to smoke some Romulan concentrate! 

What do you think about mixing strains?

for instance, use 50/50 Sour Diesel/Romulan?  I'll be doing this if regular funnel and coffee filters will work :awethumb:

good write up 36fuckin5.



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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: indocult]
    #17188215 - 11/09/12 01:38 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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LucyLove said:
Would this extraction be good with shake/stems?




If you have some nice sugar leaves, Im sure it would work well. I wouldn't use any stems or fan leaves, though. I've only tried it on good nuggets though.

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I don't have lab glass, would a regular funnel and coffee filters suffice?




Depends on what the funnel is made of. Test any and all plastics with hot solvent before using them. Stainless steel or glass would also work.

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What do you think about mixing strains?




I haven't tried it, but I'm sure it would be just fine.


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Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Making hash oil with 365 [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #17189127 - 11/09/12 08:09 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

using high quality trim vs prime bud material just lowers your yield a bit.


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