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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: redgreenvines]
    #16529344 - 07/14/12 07:44 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

shit, there is alot of dumbshits on the shroomery. sitting on the computer all day, reading crap when you are high does NOT make you intelligent nor does trying to use proper grammar and punctation.:thaaannks:

ironically, i once had the comfort sitting on my computer with little real knowledge/experience, i always thought mental illnesses did not exist, they were exagerrated by society.
that was before i had psychotic breaks due to stimulant use. i marked the first time off as mere bad luck, i had a 4 month break from drugs and tried stimulants again, i didnt get a chance to use more than a few times (not the typical stim binge)  before i went psychotic again, the last 2 times much more worse.
now, ill get periods where i feel fine and amazing, next hour ill be a crazy paranoid delusioned fucker who thinks my life is over and i contemplate suicide.
i cant even smoke cannabis now because i turn psychotic.

youre just another stubborn, stupid ignorant little kid that has not experienced real life, who thinks he has sussed life and how it works with reading, blatantly obvious with your typical post templates. shroomery is filled with these types, which makes sense cuz weed and psychedelics abuse will lead to imaginery intelligence.

heck, while youre at youre great discovery, tell my uncle, who has never even heard of schizophrenic, nor went to the doctors (or diagnosed), who dosent even realise what he does (isolation, talks to his hallucinations, act unusual, etc) that he is actually just pretending and his "illness" does not exist.

lolol, people like you provide humour and entertainment. the defintion of human stubbornness and ignorance.


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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: daz01]
    #16529366 - 07/14/12 07:56 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

sorry that you had to have these episodes - I wish - at least - that your suffering  might help let the OP know, that he is waay off base.

but you know he is working with a sector of humanity that are rampantly perverting the minor advances that we have made in psychiatry by lying, cheating and misdiagnosing and treating.


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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: redgreenvines]
    #16529402 - 07/14/12 08:12 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

you should vchekout the history of psychiatry and psychology, and what era they came to be in. In other words you should look at the bigger picture--always, and see what portions of the people are being targeted by these institutions, and who is making the money out of it. This is you homework for tonight.

We are NOT saying that people do not suffer various psychological issues, and that these can involve 'disordered thinking' and visionary experiences, and auditory experiences, and feeling suicidal etc etc etc. Of course they do. So when we say mental illness is a myth we don't mean that these manfestations being termed biolgically caused illness are not real. What we are saying is that this culture's psuedo medical assumption that mental illness is a biological disease is the myth, and that because of this massive ignorance and abuse of people in various forms of psychological crises, the 'medical intervention' can do more harm than good. In fact it does harm to many individuals and the culture at large oppressed under this myth.

Read Trials of the Visionary Mind: Spiritual Emergency and the Renewal Process, by John Weir Perry to see what is possible when people undergoing overwhelmingexperiences are treated with respect, and love and are provided a space where, instead of suppressing their experience, it is understood to be a healing process which needs expression and support.

I am sad when people familiar with psychedelics support the mental illness myth, because it flies in the face--to me--of the deep insights psychedelics can give, and one of the big ones is just HOW fuking insane this world is, so no wonder people are deemed 'mad'. No wonder!!

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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: thefloodbehind]
    #16529406 - 07/14/12 08:14 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

anyone who thinks depression isnt a disease is a fucking idiot, when i get tonsilitis, im down for 5 days, crippled and sick. When i have bouts of depression/anxiety im down for weeks to months, i think your thinking to hard about it, does it effect a persons day to day life, yes. Is the effect negative, yes. Is the negative effect resulting in a loss of quality of life, yes. Do the negative effects compound generating more severe problems, yes. SOUNDS LIKE A FUCKING DISEASE TO ME!! thats why its called a MENTAL ILLNESS and not a PHYSICAL ILLNESS. Mind and body are linked inextricably if one is unhealthy the other suffers, hence the reason depression is classed as a disease, fuck your a dumbass.


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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: Dr. Sub]
    #16529426 - 07/14/12 08:20 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Oh and btw explain that to my autistic brother who is 19 years old and cant speak, cant function, is constantly living in a paranoid fearful state, has mood swings, not a hope in fucking hell at a normal life, or my pop, who although never diagnosed is textbook bipolar, or my uncle who couldnt hack the depression and what came with it and eventually ended his life. Its insulting to me that people with a fully functioning mind and body would have the hide to say something they clearly have no experience with doesnt exist and isnt what its made out to be. Just shut your stupid traps, give your fingers a rest and seriously think about what your typing, anyone who thinks that mental illness is a choice is a fucking mental case themselves. Honestly in kind off disgusted.


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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: redgreenvines]
    #16529427 - 07/14/12 08:20 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:

but you know he is working with a sector of humanity that are rampantly perverting the minor advances that we have made in psychiatry by lying, cheating and misdiagnosing and treating.




which i agree with but, many "mentally ill" people can appear sane at normal times (which may make people question their illness/diagnose), its the relapses and periods of insanity that, unfortunately, matter.
i can socialise perfectly, having a great time and somebody can say something which i can SOMEHOW relate it to my delusions, a switch flips and i turn psychotic. its a switch you have no control over.
until you yourself has experienced what it feels like to feel incredible, then later to feel the paranoia....fear, anger, frustration, sadness... thinking your family and everyone ive known hates me, that my life was a conspiracy, a setup, that everyone is acting, changes your perspective on life.
infact, even writing this now, theres a voice/side of me saying that my delusions are true, that im not crazy, that people are playing with my head, that my psychosis was/is me being poisoned and my life has been somekind of TV show.:cryaboutit:

i worked in a mental health sector (volunteer), i was good friends with a schizophrenic, one of the nicest guys ive ever met, you wouldt know he was "ill" and a diagnosed women with a severe mood disorder, she was nice sometimes, opposite of friendly sometimes.
or, are they not ill and they simply act the way they sometimes do because thats the way they are told to act by "society" and doctors? :uhoh:


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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: daz01]
    #16529440 - 07/14/12 08:29 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

we are all affected
some more painfully
we have no choice but to try to understand and help


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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: redgreenvines]
    #16529492 - 07/14/12 08:52 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

mental illness isn't a myth. 

society may be overmedicated which was the gist i got from the first post, but it's real. 

there could be any number of causes, not just levels of chemicals. 

if someone is not feeling well mentally then there's lots that can be done to treat or help that person.  before turning to medications; diet, exercise, and sleep are the big three.  then of course follows having a good life situation or trajectory.  spending time with good people.. and life gets better. 

feeling sick mentally is real and i think most people can improve the way they feel by making real changes in their lives.

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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: daz01]
    #16529576 - 07/14/12 09:24 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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shit, there is alot of dumbshits on the shroomery. sitting on the computer all day, reading crap when you are high does NOT make you intelligent nor does trying to use proper grammar and punctation.:thaaannks:

ironically, i once had the comfort sitting on my computer with little real knowledge/experience, i always thought mental illnesses did not exist, they were exagerrated by society.
that was before i had psychotic breaks due to stimulant use. i marked the first time off as mere bad luck, i had a 4 month break from drugs and tried stimulants again, i didnt get a chance to use more than a few times (not the typical stim binge)  before i went psychotic again, the last 2 times much more worse.
now, ill get periods where i feel fine and amazing, next hour ill be a crazy paranoid delusioned fucker who thinks my life is over and i contemplate suicide.
i cant even smoke cannabis now because i turn psychotic.

youre just another stubborn, stupid ignorant little kid that has not experienced real life, who thinks he has sussed life and how it works with reading, blatantly obvious with your typical post templates. shroomery is filled with these types, which makes sense cuz weed and psychedelics abuse will lead to imaginery intelligence.

heck, while youre at youre great discovery, tell my uncle, who has never even heard of schizophrenic, nor went to the doctors (or diagnosed), who dosent even realise what he does (isolation, talks to his hallucinations, act unusual, etc) that he is actually just pretending and his "illness" does not exist.

lolol, people like you provide humour and entertainment. the defintion of human stubbornness and ignorance.




this douche again.

look, bro, just because you have bats in your attic that you haven't dealt with doesn't mean "mental illness" (as it's commonly understood) is a "real" thing.

i've been through some of those manic/psychotic moments, too, and guess what? i'm grounded as fuck now ... and still smoke pot and dose psychedelics. my experiences "over the edge" were some of the most enlightening of my life, and i'm in no way prepared to dismiss them as merely delusory. far too many synchronicities, prophetic intuitions, etc.

the thing is, i'm a strong motherfucker who dealt with his problems, figured out how to control his mind, and found confidence in Being. as for stimulant abuse, philip k. dick took tons of speed for many years, during which he experienced bouts of madness; but he's not "mentally ill." in fact, when he had an mri later in his life, the doctors observed no brain damage.

you are projecting your insecurities about how the mind works onto people who have learned to cope with the human condition of being lost in thought. you, however, will remain incapable of overcoming the hell of your egoic mind so long as you put your faith in an institutionalized paradigm over yourself.

go away.

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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: thefloodbehind]
    #16529686 - 07/14/12 10:03 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

o great one, thanks for thee great insight, introspection and psychoanalysis, thy who has sussed out the human mind and its mecanism of action!!:ahahaha:

you love delving into what you think are intelligent topics but you forget the simplest of facts. everyone is different. you are developing your and a few others experiences into what you think is fact, that the same applies for everyone.
now, for my analysis of you.
you are an insecure little boy, your meager life experiences, knowledge and insecurities give you an illusion that you are "strong minded" and intelligent. your lack of experience leads you to believing you know what is what (i,e someone with minor anxiety (you) thinks he experienced distress, you compare yourself to someone with severe social anxiety and you think you can relate to what these people experience) you therefore are delusioned that most, if not all, mental illnesses do not exist or are exagerrated. you probably spend much of your free time getting high. you spend alot of time reading on the internet.

get a grip bro. its people like you that make people struggle to take the internet serious. your ignorance makes my brain hurt. i look forward to seeing your discovery publicised, it will be great to see you help everyone with a mental ailment!


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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: thefloodbehind]
    #16529689 - 07/14/12 10:03 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

boy people sure are getting worked up about this.

IMO we're all crazy or none of us are.  This is one time I'm seeing in black and white. :lol:


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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: daz01]
    #16529762 - 07/14/12 10:25 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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o great one, thanks for thee great insight, introspection and psychoanalysis, thy who has sussed out the human mind and its mecanism of action!!:ahahaha:

you love delving into what you think are intelligent topics but you forget the simplest of facts. everyone is different. you are developing your and a few others experiences into what you think is fact, that the same applies for everyone.
now, for my analysis of you.
you are an insecure little boy, your meager life experiences, knowledge and insecurities give you an illusion that you are "strong minded" and intelligent. your lack of experience leads you to believing you know what is what (i,e someone with minor anxiety (you) thinks he experienced distress, you compare yourself to someone with severe social anxiety and you think you can relate to what these people experience) you therefore are delusioned that most, if not all, mental illnesses do not exist or are exagerrated. you probably spend much of your free time getting high. you spend alot of time reading on the internet.

get a grip bro. its people like you that make people struggle to take the internet serious. your ignorance makes my brain hurt. i look forward to seeing your discovery publicised, it will be great to see you help everyone with a mental ailment!




if you'd read my previous posts, you'd know that i know everyone is different.

as for my intelligence, i have a genius IQ and attend a top 20 american university. not that that really matters or is indicative of any true intelligence, but statistically speaking it is highly improbable your credentials are in any way comparable.

as for meager experiences and my strength of mind: i spent 11 fucking days in a psych ward, dude. schizos, drug addicts, freaks, etc. abound. i was made to feel like i was one of them and spent the next half a year wallowing in existential dread. it wasn't till i grew some fucking balls and took responsibility for myself that i broke through. involved in that was the recognition of the clear and enormous flaws immanent in psychiatry. i'm not saying it doesn't help some people. it just FUCKED ME UP and i will never stop fighting it (in its current manifestation, that is). still, that's nowhere near the extent of it all. i assure you my experiences are all but meager.

as for getting high and reading the internet: i don't get high all that often. smoked pot once over the last week and a half. shroomed twice since may.

i do spend a good amount of time reading on the internet, but i also spend a good amount of time reading books, writing music, and going to school and work. dude, it's some people's JOB to read and write on the internet. it's what the world is moving towards. i don't see how this has anything to do with the topic at hand.

get the dick out of your ass and step up. or continue being a baby and relying on society to fix you. it's really up to you.

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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: Icelander]
    #16529775 - 07/14/12 10:29 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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boy people sure are getting worked up about this.

IMO we're all crazy or none of us are.  This is one time I'm seeing in black and white. :lol:




nah, dude. i'm chill as fuck. i just have a foul mouth and think i know better than everyone else because of how far removed i am intellectually from the average person. i may be wrong, i concede that. but when i state my case it isn't necessarily conveyed.

it's a writing style, that's all.

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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: thefloodbehind]
    #16529799 - 07/14/12 10:35 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

also, daz01, learn to spell and form grammatically correct sentences. whereas your heavy-handed use of the english language doesn't make my brain hurt (not much does, really; it's one fine piece of machinery and i'm grateful for it), it is really annoying—and, in a way, saddening.

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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: thefloodbehind]
    #16529800 - 07/14/12 10:36 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I know you're just as crazy as the rest of us. No explaining necessary. :lol:


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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: Icelander]
    #16529818 - 07/14/12 10:41 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Yeah I know you're just as crazy as the rest of us. No explaining necessary. :lol:




:doublefu:

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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: thefloodbehind]
    #16530167 - 07/14/12 12:19 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

If anyone is looking at this thread who is confused themselves such as questions "Am I mentally ill?" "Is mental illness a myth?" who is telling the truth, I will just say that some of the biggest 'police' are those themseolves who think themselves mentally ill as this culture dictates it 'scientifically', They will try and batter you into submission to believe them, because they claim THEY are and have been in the psych ward etc etc.
All I say is that the Internet is the most AMAZING source of information now for enlightening yourself. You now no longer HAVE to believe in A myth because so and so tells you, you can do some exploring yourself. Find out for yourself, and ask questions.

This is my take from what I have learned, and through experience as well as books etc. This world is insane. From being forced to go to school when your little, they make sure to suppress your natural creative spirit so as to fit you into their square hole, and this is done so insidiously and intensively that soon you lose contact with your natural being. You internalize their matrix.

Psychedelic is a sacred medicine which can help with this dis-ease, but because this culture is against it, and it is all black market, many people don't know what they take, and they trip in foolish ways with dodgy set and settings, and they can, under such ill-thought circumstances exacerbate issues they may have, and on top of this they trust the authority and its myth of mental illness and so also take their drugs.

I am not even saying that for some people these prescribed psych meds don't seem to "work" for those who CHOOSE this, but AM saying that the whole criteria of prognosis and diagnosis is based on ignorance, and not the real causes of our diverse forms of distresses, and that more and more people feel pressure to conform to this myth without looking into it, and now many children are its victims----some being given cocktails of toxic drugs which harm their young developing bodies and minds and spirits.

If say you have diagnoses "clinical depression" and the reason they give is "chemical imbalance" and further claim that their prescribed 'anti-depressants' will correct your chemical imbalance, this is all phony pseudoscience, and I urge you to not listen to people that try and shout you down, and shame you into believing them, whether they are shrinks, psychologists, or people who claim to have 'mental illness' or have relatives that do, but to LOOK FOR YOURSELF. Find out. And this goes for other so-called mental illnesses like ADHD, Bi-Polar, Schizophrenia, Psychosis. In looking for your self and asking questions you are already empowering yourself by doing so. Here are some interesting links:

Eleanor Longden: Learning from the voices in my head




A conversation about suicide




Exposing the Mental Health system – Only Smarties exhibition

Quote:

What is the difference between God and a Psychiatrist?

    Answer: God does not believe he is a psychiatrist.






485 37. Medicine as an Institution of Social Control: Consequence
http://andosciasociology.net/resources/Medicalization+of+Deviance.pdf

Anti-depressants likely do more harm than good, researchers find



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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: zzripz]
    #16530186 - 07/14/12 12:23 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

not sure about what god believes
thanks f0r the relevant tv guide


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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: redgreenvines]
    #16530233 - 07/14/12 12:38 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

oh himmm, 'HE' believes he is a creator who is apart from his creation because his patriarchal mythmakers told us so. and beliving in THAT myth makes us feel like worthless sinners cut off from nature, and having to obey his words. So its eeenie meenie miny mo, a choice between that myth, and the secular one we are oppressed under now--some of us--which claims we are robots--meat-bags full of chemical and electrical reactions who have no free will and our only purpose in this meaningless world is to produce, consume and repreoduce. And people wonder why people get de--fukin depressed? I wonder why MORE fukin aren't!. It worries me why everyone isn't in despair LOL

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Misinformation in psychiatry


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Re: the myth of mental illness [Re: zzripz]
    #16530314 - 07/14/12 01:01 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I think you've posted up some good stuff. :thumbup:


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