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what is the "buddha body"
    #16435428 - 06/25/12 11:37 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

title is my question

what is the "buddha body"?


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Re: what is the "buddha body" [Re: Kickle]
    #16435460 - 06/25/12 11:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Infinity? :shrug:


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Re: what is the "buddha body" [Re: Kickle]
    #16435492 - 06/25/12 11:50 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

What the ladies call my birthday suit.  :mmmsexy:


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Re: what is the "buddha body" [Re: Kickle]
    #16435521 - 06/25/12 11:59 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

in mahayana there's three:

the dharmakaya - truth body - which is emptiness / ultimate reality (this is the "truest" body of a buddha)

the samboghakaya - enjoyment body - which is a manifestation body of a buddha that only advanced masters can see in visions

the nirmanakaya - emanation body - which is a physical emanation of a buddha such as the historical siddhartha gautama whose form average people could see

they go in reverse order of the easiness of encountering them, as in only a buddha fully experiences the dharmakaya, then only buddhas and highly realized beings encounter the samboghakaya manifestations, then finally ordinary beings can encounter the nirmanakaya

for a buddha though, all three of these bodies are inseperable, they're really just different aspects of the same truth (union of emptiness and compassion) - also "one buddha" can have innumerable form bodies (samboghakayas and nirmanakayas) - their activity is infinite

in vajrayana and dzogchen teachings, the kayas (bodies) are explained a bit differently in addition to this. dharmakaya is the emptiness aspect of the mind (the fact that the mind has no basis). samboghakaya is the luminosity aspect of the mind (the fact that the mind cognizes appearances, has innate intelligence). and nirmanakaya is the union of these two manifesting as any given appearance. or something like that. again though, these are to be understood as aspects of the same mind, they're only separated in categories to explain something that otherwise wouldn't be easy to explain.

that's the buddha from a mahayana perspective anyways, i'm sure it's different in theravada (i know they don't subscribe to the three bodies) :sun:


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Re: what is the "buddha body" [Re: deff]
    #16435562 - 06/25/12 12:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

dissolving bodies :eek:

good info deff
emptiness is form and form is emptiness - buddha body in all


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Re: what is the "buddha body" [Re: Kickle]
    #16435564 - 06/25/12 12:11 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

yup! :laugh:


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Re: what is the "buddha body" [Re: deff]
    #16435646 - 06/25/12 12:27 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Subhuti, what do you think?
May the Tathagata be perceived by the thirty-two marks [of a great man]?
Subhuti answers: Yes, certainly the Tathagata may be perceived thereby.
Then Buddha said: Subhuti, if the Tathagata may be perceived by such marks,
any great imperial ruler is the same as the Tathagata.
Subhuti then said to the Buddha: World-Honored One,
as I understand the meaning of the Buddha's words
the Tathagata may not be perceived by the thirty-two marks.
Whereupon the World-Honored One uttered this verse:

Who sees me by form
Who seeks me in sound,
Perverted are his footsteps upon the way;
For he cannot perceive the Tathagata.


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Re: what is the "buddha body" [Re: Kickle]
    #16435661 - 06/25/12 12:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

yeah that's pointing to the dharmakaya


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Re: what is the "buddha body" [Re: deff]
    #16435712 - 06/25/12 12:41 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

yeah I love how the Diamond Sutra is all about the ultimate truth and nothing else. There is no true path to be laid down, there is no true Buddha body to see with your eyes or hear about with your ears.

And if you can grok even a slight bit of that in earnest you will be farther along than if you gave a million worlds full of jewels away.


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Re: what is the "buddha body" [Re: Kickle]
    #16435732 - 06/25/12 12:46 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

yeah the diamond sutra is a real gem that way :smile:

just came across this article/teaching on the three bodies (kayas) from a vajrayana perspective if anyone is interested: http://www.kagyu.org/kagyulineage/buddhism/cul/cul02.php :sun:

the reason why the other two 'bodies' are important is that the dharmakaya alone only benefits oneself. it takes the other two bodies to benefit other beings and bring them to the realization of the dharmakaya.


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Re: what is the "buddha body" [Re: deff]
    #16435763 - 06/25/12 12:56 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

oh yah, not belittling the other two at all
if I were I'd be belittling the truth body as well


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    #16435794 - 06/25/12 01:03 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

yup :laugh: didn't think you were at all, just threw that out there


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Re: what is the "buddha body" [Re: Kickle]
    #16436384 - 06/25/12 03:56 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Kickle said:
title is my question

what is the "bubba  buddy"?




The bubba buddy is a guy in the south who fishes and drinks with you, I'm pretty sure. :satansmoking:


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Re: what is the "buddha body" [Re: Icelander]
    #16438550 - 06/25/12 11:21 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It all makes sense now :levitate:


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