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Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion.
    #1643740 - 06/19/03 06:32 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I have always had good success on my first flushes, but the latter flushes seemed to be poor.

So I moved into dunking the casings which is messy and cumbersome if you are working with large casings. It also, at times, can make the casings too waterlogged. I had decent results with dunking and I recommend it to beginners, but I was still searching for more.
Now for a solution.

This is what I came up with in trying to think of a rational way to solve this common problem.
I'm trying to keep this simple and to the point. 

Say you  had a 10 ounce wet flush.
Assuming the mushrooms are approx. 90% water you have expunged about 9 ounces of water from the casing.
Now to rehydrate the casing so that future flushes are adequate.
Do this by slowly pouring (9oz.) water directly onto and around the sides of the casing. Careful, as you do not want to "flood" or "pan" the casing.
Then which may or may not  be neccesary, give it a fresh light dusting with sterile casing mix.
This seems to work wonders and I have finally attained the repeating, high yielding flushes that I had dreamed of.  :heart:

I want to talk about some of your thoughts or experiences on this.
Questions / comments are welcomed.

Note: I have stopped growing  illegal mushrooms now.
I did this because I have certain goals and dreams that one cannot attain from a prison cell. This does not mean I wont be hanging out here and continuing my mycological research. I plan to get very involved in mushroom hunting and cultivating gourmet/medicinals.  :thumbup:

Big props to The Shroomery that has given me enough information and love to last a lifetime.
Also a big thanks to all those friends who have helped me out and are still helping me out.. (you know who you are)  :grin:

On with the discussion... 


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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: Effed]
    #1645708 - 06/19/03 07:33 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Please.. dont everyone talk at once.  :smirk:


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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: Effed]
    #1646058 - 06/19/03 10:09 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I've only started, but i noticed if you dunk your cakes before casing them, you get a better flush then not dunking before casing.

I'm gonna do this to rehydrate my casings, thanks.


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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: Effed]
    #1646148 - 06/19/03 10:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i believe yachaj is a big fan of weighing the water and only adding
what was lost, seems to work ok either way


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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: Effed]
    #1646194 - 06/19/03 10:55 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quick poll

Which do you prefer?
Dunking
Rehydrating
Havent tried either




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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: psilo9com]
    #1646200 - 06/19/03 10:57 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Good luck psilo. Post the results here.. if you would.

So have you tried rehydrating hippie?
You didnt notice a difference?
I dunked several times and didnt get the results I got with hydration.


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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: Effed]
    #1646293 - 06/19/03 11:28 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i really don't see much difference,
assuming the dunk is properly performed for sufficient time
and the tray is well drained.
i've done it both ways, depending on the situation, some casings are un-dunkable so rehydration definitely is a better option in some cases.
that said, dunking has a re-invigorating effect on the mycellia that i've yet to see from any of the other methods of hydration. after a good dunk i've seen them literally explode with new growth, even the bruising goes away and a nice new coat of mycellia springs forth.
also they seem to pin rather quickly after dunking, i remember when i first unveiled my dunking results a couple years ago, alot of folks thought i was lying about how fast my flushes came and how big they were. subsequent developments vindicated me and the tek, though.
still, it's not for every situation.
some judgement is called for, i've seen folks over-do it and ruin everything.


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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: Hippie3]
    #1647213 - 06/20/03 05:38 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Skippy has recently dunked his trays and all his pins seemed to have stalled! One tray the pins are bluing and dying.He gave it 4 days and now is ready to scrape off the pins and cold shock.


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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: NewSpore]
    #1647429 - 06/20/03 07:45 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

4 days of dunking or 4 days from the dunk?



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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: Robbyrob]
    #1647436 - 06/20/03 07:56 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry four days from the dunk. He dunked the casings that stalled a while ago and they worked fine, This was the first time he dunked with the actual pins on the casing and it seems like he is screwed.


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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: NewSpore]
    #1647442 - 06/20/03 08:01 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

indeed, dunking pins often triggers abortion.
you can sometimes get away with it if the pins are still quite small,
but once they get a half inch or so then i'd advise against it.
that's another case where the flooding method works better as you can keep the water away from the pins better.


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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: Hippie3]
    #1647449 - 06/20/03 08:06 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Is this advanced?

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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: micro]
    #1647464 - 06/20/03 08:19 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Oops! So much for the 80 creeper pins :frown:


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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: micro]
    #1648798 - 06/20/03 05:49 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Semi.  :smile:


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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: Effed]
    #1650429 - 06/21/03 08:05 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

SO this thread is moved here to get buried in newbie questions?
WTF?
This thread is not about PF cakes.. In fact Ive never grown out a PF cake in my life.
Its really aggravating when someone tries to have a serious discussion and some chode of a mod moves it just because..
I really love it when everytime I try to contribute.. one of the "pros" shuts me down.


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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: Effed]
    #1650972 - 06/21/03 02:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Hey Effed,

Chill, Skippy found the post and it helped. I appreciate your efforts and the other posts did explain enough for him to look into flooding. His pins all died see pic. Wish you posted it earlier, it would have saved a nice flush. Thanks for your efforts




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Re: Rehydration vs. Dunking Discussion. [Re: Effed]
    #1651244 - 06/21/03 04:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Assuming the mushrooms are approx. 90% water you have expunged about 9 ounces of water from the casing.





your forgetting humidity.


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