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scuz
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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: jewunit]
#16423098 - 06/22/12 10:25 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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That was probably a bad example...never mind lol I'm too blazerd to explain myself very well.
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Shins
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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: scuz]
#16423286 - 06/22/12 11:02 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shins said: Riddle me this; if you believe in evolution, how can you not be "racist" in some way?
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jewunit said: ... What?
According to evolution, the different races have evolved differently, therefore different races have different traits.
isnt that racist to say?
evolution is racist!
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Shins
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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: Shins]
#16423295 - 06/22/12 11:05 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you're not racist to some degree in some way or another you're not being honest.
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PoisonCrazy
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All We Perceive said: The "iq disparity" between races has been disproven.
Silly me, I thought this was an area of psychometrics where professionals had legitimate disagreements. Happy to hear I was wrong and it's been agreed upon.
/sarcasm
There are enormous confounding factors in any attempt to determine racial disaprities in IQ. The obvious, how do you separate out differences in how people are treated based on race, past discrimination, possible cultural biases in IQ tests.
Then there are tricky variables like socioeconomic status. Let's say that you do a perfect study, huge sample size, all this and you control for socioeconomic status and you find out there is no IQ disparity. Have you proven it (to within the confidence interval of the statistical method you're using)? NO. Because when you control for socioeconomic status you accidentally control for differences in IQ.
So you can say, X group is socioeconomically deprived, this leads to lower IQ scores (poor education, lack of prenatal care, improper nutrition, etc.). BUT, causation can flow the other way, and groups with low IQ's will have less success in their jobs, manage money poorly, etc. and wind up in a lower socioeconomic class.
By no means is this debate simple and it is far from settled, despite the fact that many many academics wish it were (or wish people would simply forget about it).
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mazaloto


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1. There is no strong black people's country 2. Half of all black people's countries are run by a single trbe which is trying to kill or fuck over other tribes (I have no idea what this means, I think its a reference from the past) 3. Black people's countries in Africa are the worst places to live at (for black people) even tho colonialism has ended officially.
These are not my arguments. I don't much about this topic so I'll only say that I agree with whoever said that different races have different traits which may or may not be superior to others.
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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: mazaloto]
#16423921 - 06/23/12 02:08 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: mazaloto]
#16423962 - 06/23/12 02:22 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: mazaloto]
#16424113 - 06/23/12 03:08 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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mazaloto said: 1. There is no strong black people's country 2. Half of all black people's countries are run by a single trbe which is trying to kill or fuck over other tribes (I have no idea what this means, I think its a reference from the past) 3. Black people's countries in Africa are the worst places to live at (for black people) even tho colonialism has ended officially.
These are not my arguments. I don't much about this topic so I'll only say that I agree with whoever said that different races have different traits which may or may not be superior to others.
haha are you forgetting the several thousand years that europe was like this? this not not a race issue, its just people in general.
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spazmodog



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BlindSophist said:
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Shins said: Riddle me this; if you believe in evolution, how can you not be "racist" in some way?
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jewunit said: ... What?
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mazaloto


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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: spazmodog]
#16424120 - 06/23/12 03:10 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dunno man, I don't understand history and that type of stuff at all. Probably you need him to debate this over but in the end he always come to the conclusion that black people are inferior.
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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: mazaloto]
#16424125 - 06/23/12 03:12 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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mazaloto said: I dunno man, I don't understand history and that type of stuff at all. Probably you need him to debate this over but in the end he always come to the conclusion that black people are inferior.
then yes he is blatently a racist.....
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mazaloto


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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: spazmodog]
#16424156 - 06/23/12 03:24 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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What if his arguments are correct?
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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: mazaloto]
#16424160 - 06/23/12 03:25 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Still racist.
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spazmodog



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mazaloto said: What if his arguments are correct?
so what if they are, what if black people do have a lower IQ? (which they dont) why the fuck does that even make them inferior? i dont think there is a competition here.... people are people get over it....
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mazaloto


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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: spazmodog]
#16424190 - 06/23/12 03:34 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Someone with high IQ would be superior in that respect to someone with a lower IQ.
I am not very informed on that matter so I'll abstain from taking any position. Just curious what you guys have to say. I told him about that book (guns germs and something) and he said he could be convinced in the opposite of what he is saying if the arguments are good enough.
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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: mazaloto]
#16424207 - 06/23/12 03:41 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Someone with high IQ would be superior in that respect to someone with a lower IQ.
why?
so "stupid" people are inferior?
an IQ test only measures for a specific type of inteligence, that definatly isnt needed to be a great person.....
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mazaloto


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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: spazmodog]
#16424212 - 06/23/12 03:43 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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spazmodog said:
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Someone with high IQ would be superior in that respect to someone with a lower IQ.
why?
so "stupid" people are inferior?
an IQ test only measures for a specific type of inteligence, that definatly isnt needed to be a great person.....
Key words here: in that respect
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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: mazaloto]
#16424228 - 06/23/12 03:50 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah still dont get what this has to do with skin colour
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mazaloto


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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: spazmodog]
#16424237 - 06/23/12 03:54 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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If black people generally have lower IQ compared to other races then they are inferior with respect to that trait.
As I said I haven't researched the topic in depths as honestly I think its very biased so I'm just relaying ideas back and forth.
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Re: Is my friend racist? [Re: mazaloto]
#16424264 - 06/23/12 04:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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IQ Isn't really relevant. I've known some really stupid white people and some really smart black people, and vise versa. Just because you have a high IQ doesn't mean your not a lazy dead beat piece of shit. I know plenty of really "smart" people are just plain idiots. 28 live at home no Job won't sweep floors because it's beneath them, but they sure like to talk about their grades and degrees. So your smart, doesn't mean you can actually do anything usefull. Im a high school drop out, but own and run two successful businesses, function really well in society, but I could be considered not "smart" by societies standards. IMO character is the most important factor in a person, and I've met people of all races who have great character and people of all races with absolutely none. Dumbasses come in all shapes sizes and colors, so do good people.
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