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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: Smushroom] 1
#16455939 - 06/29/12 12:51 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Smush, you clearly know what you are talking about. People should copy and paste your post just in case they need it later. Basically, shuck and jive and act like a little angel. A lawyer may or may not tell you all of that. If its a pd, he/she may just say plead and see what happens.
Keep in mind probation can be very hard particularly with any restrictions included. You may have to put up with an idiotic job and an insufferable boss for far longer than you may think you can stand.
Seuss, nice to see you got scared straight. No more of that nasty pot or shrooms for you. You know its all addictive and will kill you.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: Stonehenge]
#16455990 - 06/29/12 01:03 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah I was both lucky with my case and I also had a very good lawyer when it came to pleading out. I would never have trusted him in a trial but he did what I wanted. If I would have hit MDO status I would have been looking at 10-25 fed time. Not to mention if the other hammer dropped for the shit that I was under investigation for I could have been looking at 20+ pretty easily. I had some major karma stored up at that point to come out as well as I did. Other than trying to work in community service with my full time job my probation was pretty easy, I didn't get any restrictions with it.
It really depends on whats important to you. I spent a fair amount of time in jail before I got my bond lowered to something affordable and I got to talk to a lot of guys in there. Biggest piece of advice, if you can't handle staying straight and making probation work, plead out to pure jail time so you have no risk in the future. I on the other hand had no issues sucking it up and doing what I needed to to make myself look good to the court. I had 5 years - time served on the shelf if I fucked up though so I could have gotten screwed but to me that was easier than doing 2 years in prison.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: LySergic D]
#16457474 - 06/29/12 06:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Man this news pisses me off & saddens me. I don't like seeing anyone get in trouble for something that is a personal choice/victimless crime, let alone someone that's true to their heart. It's bullshit. 
You have a good head on your shoulders though, as well as good karma, so hang in there. Things will work out.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: LySergic D]
#16457498 - 06/29/12 06:46 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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You're a good man bro. Replying from page 3 and will read rest but Fu k that ci. People are so greedy for themselves. It's gonna be he downfall of the world...greed.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: Dark_Star]
#16457505 - 06/29/12 06:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks man, it really means a lot to hear that from you Dark Star. Im just trying to look at this positively and get it over with, put it behind me and continue living my life. Either way, im probably gonna do a little time for my beliefs in Entheogenic substances.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: LySergic D]
#16457549 - 06/29/12 06:57 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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I believe in karma too and I'm sure you probably didn't do much to receive it. Who knows but it will come back to that person you know for sure. So glad to hear what your lawyer said about not supporting you if you were a narc. Glad to see not all lawyers are scum looking for some cash from unfortunate souls.
I send along any kind of good vibes my way to you. You've always seemed like an all around good guy from what Ive seen of your posts. I hope you can get very limited time. That's all I can think to to say.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: LySergic D]
#16457562 - 06/29/12 07:00 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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LySergic D said: Either way, im probably gonna do a little time for my beliefs in Entheogenic substances.
I wouldn't count on it. Work towards getting probation following the advice in Smushroom's post.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#16457642 - 06/29/12 07:17 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah so far im following his and my lawyers advise. I know people at the local Co-Op/natural food store. Im gonna go and volunteer to do work there. If i have community service that is also where ill be going.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: LySergic D]
#16477515 - 07/03/12 09:24 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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I did mine at the animal shelter. I actually enjoyed it. Beeinngs they liked me, I got to mess with the dogs and fix kennels. And, if you are extra lucky like I was, your probation officer will be hot and tell you when you will be dropped ( piss test). I had most of my shit done in the first few months. Id go in, chit chat, and leave. Only had to drop three times and knew when.Major compliance goes a long way to show your not a thug or scum.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: LySergic D]
#16479294 - 07/04/12 08:42 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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LySergic D said: Yeah so far im following his and my lawyers advise. I know people at the local Co-Op/natural food store. Im gonna go and volunteer to do work there. If i have community service that is also where ill be going.
There's another strategy you haven't considered. They tried to seize your car. What they want is to rob you more than imprison you or give you a record. I have heard of attorneys negotiating for dropped charged in exchange for forfeiting property and bond moneys. Ask your attorney to approach the prosecutor explaining that you want to leave the state in order to go to college out of state or take an out of state job and make a fresh start. Have your attorney offer your car as a forfeiture in exchange for dismissing charges against you. You have to be as corrupt as the system is if you're forced to work within it's bounds. It's all about money and power. But at this level it's more about money and if your car is worth enough it could work out. Moving away must also be part of the way your attorney approaches with this proposal.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: Ellis Dee]
#16479496 - 07/04/12 09:40 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's another strategy you haven't considered. They tried to seize your car. What they want is to rob you more than imprison you or give you a record. I have heard of attorneys negotiating for dropped charged in exchange for forfeiting property and bond moneys.
My attorney worked out that exact deal when I was 19. Saved me from a felony charge. We put up the money to fight the car seizure (10%), then negotiated that they can keep the car and the money if they don't file the charges.
In retrospect, it was a pretty good deal for me.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#16480586 - 07/04/12 01:54 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good to know.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#16480620 - 07/04/12 02:01 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Most cops are thieves, no doubt about it.
Don't count on the probation officer being a nice guy/gal. From what i've heard most are pricks and will go out of their way to hassle you. Sadists and control freaks are attracted to that sort of job. Some would do it for free just for kicks.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: joshisstoned]
#16480628 - 07/04/12 02:02 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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I dont know about that. I still owe 5 grand on the car. I payed 3500 for a lawyer. It sounds like id get fucked even harder if i just gave them my car.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: LySergic D]
#16481526 - 07/04/12 05:14 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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What a crazy situation. I hope all the best for ya!
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: LySergic D]
#16484174 - 07/05/12 07:23 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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LySergic D said: I dont know about that. I still owe 5 grand on the car. I payed 3500 for a lawyer. It sounds like id get fucked even harder if i just gave them my car.
Not if your lawyer made a deal to have the charges dropped in exchange for the car. Trading the car for dropped charges is a lot like buying your way out of it, and would be a good deal.
I am not sure if they can seize a car that you don't own though.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#16484601 - 07/05/12 09:51 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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I believe he would have to pay for the car outright to obtain the title, then hand it over. Might as well see how much it will cost without the car. My lawyer didnt really consult me on my amount. He simply gave me the low down after talking with the states attorney and said "take it!". If your lawyer thinks they have solid evidence, he will probably instruct you to take whatever they will give you.Nice thing is that they should give you time to pay it off. I was given 18 monthsto come up with 2800. I just payed it out of a tax check. I just kept my probee in the loop on what I was doing. She said that if you go too long without making a payment they start to get shitty about it. Youll be OK.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#16484612 - 07/05/12 09:55 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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They prob could and just make him pay the rest of the bill. Not saying they would buy from what I've dealt with as far as accidents and insurance, they could are less and just assume you realized that. So if insurance makes you pay the rest of a car loan if it's totaled I'm sure the Leos would care less about keeping someone with the bill. Just not sure how seizures work or read about one.
If it meant staying out jail, even for me it'd be a pretty hard thing to give up(since it's paid off and can't afford another yet) I'd look At the fact I'd be in jail and not able to drive it and have a record and be very limited to jobs. I'd seriously look into what Alan suggested if it's an option.
Another anecdote, my boss told me how he knew this guy who had been through 9 first DUIs bc he kept paying off the huge fines and had a good lawyer. It's definitely about the benjis for sure...but then again DUI Court might be different than narcotic court.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#16484629 - 07/05/12 09:58 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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LySergic D said: I dont know about that. I still owe 5 grand on the car. I payed 3500 for a lawyer. It sounds like id get fucked even harder if i just gave them my car.
Not if your lawyer made a deal to have the charges dropped in exchange for the car. Trading the car for dropped charges is a lot like buying your way out of it, and would be a good deal.
I am not sure if they can seize a car that you don't own though.
Having a non-felonious record is invaluable. You will make hundreds of thousands less over the course of your career if you're a felon as well as being denied basic American rights like the right to keep and bear arms or even to travel freely to other countries. If OP can trade his car and some debt for a clean record he can declare bankruptcy anyways and be far ahead on the deal for the rest of his life.
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Re: Im in a sticky legal situation. Please help! [Re: runningfox2002]
#16484632 - 07/05/12 09:59 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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All of this forfeiture nonsense is a sideshow of a sideshow...Decisions aren't made based on a few bucks like that. The smart thing is to not mention forfeiture unless they demand it as part of the offer...which is likely.
His attorney isn't going to go in and say "if he gives the state his car, will they drop it to a misdemeanor." That simply isn't how these negotiations go.
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