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Invisiblebadchad
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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: Humility]
    #16415891 - 06/21/12 04:57 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Humility said:
She doesn't have a fucking breakdown of how many deaths per year occur resultant to certain drug ingestion?




That's a difficult question to answer.  Did the smoker die from smoking or lung cancer and how would you know it was causal?  Did the alcoholic die from liver failure, or the car crash?  etc. etc.  Those types of data are really hard to interpret.  The same way its difficult to produce objective data to answer the initial question.


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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: badchad] * 1
    #16415903 - 06/21/12 05:00 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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badchad said:
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Humility said:
She doesn't have a fucking breakdown of how many deaths per year occur resultant to certain drug ingestion?




That's a difficult question to answer.  Did the smoker die from smoking or lung cancer and how would you know it was causal?  Did the alcoholic die from liver failure, or the car crash?  etc. etc.  Those types of data are really hard to interpret.  The same way its difficult to produce objective data to answer the initial question.



oh yeah? fucking bullshit


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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: badchad] * 1
    #16415914 - 06/21/12 05:02 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Not really, you can give specific break down, deaths caused by liver failure, car crash where alcohol was a factor etc. With something like lung cancer if somebody smokes multiple substances its impossible to say with any degree of certainty. You cant really lay out concrete numbers but you can give relative rough estimates and comparisons quite easily. Say something like, high addiction potential and low addiction potential.

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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #16415923 - 06/21/12 05:06 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

ya okay your right, then just say: there isnt 1 death we can reALLY subscribe to drugs abuse.


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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #16415928 - 06/21/12 05:08 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

There's no way she could give honest, straightforward answers.  If she did she'd lose her job and undermine decades of DEA propaganda. 

She probably gets a bonus every time she dodges a question at one of these meetings.


What is good is that old men in politics are asking these questions.  That's a big change for the better.  Even if the answers offered of complete bullshit.


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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: tomnl]
    #16415942 - 06/21/12 05:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

A coroner has to list a cause of death.  In many cases, that's a subjective call.  The other issue is one of a denominator and correcting for use.  Even breaking down for estimated numbers of death, you have to correct for use to get a rate.

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oh yeah? fucking bullshit




I'd be more than willing to take a look at the numbers you have on hand.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: tomnl]
    #16415975 - 06/21/12 05:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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ya okay your right, then just say: there isnt 1 death we can reALLY subscribe to drugs abuse.




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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: eltonjohn]
    #16416019 - 06/21/12 05:33 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Gotta love how the discussion times out before they run out of ways to dodge questions. House at work. :yesnod:


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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: The_Ghost]
    #16416069 - 06/21/12 05:44 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I wish they'd post those that are stroking the DEA cock so we know who not to vote for in upcoming elections

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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16416274 - 06/21/12 06:24 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Holy shit that bitch is incompetent.  She doesn't know her job.  Then again, it's government--what do you expect?


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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: starfire_xes]
    #16416279 - 06/21/12 06:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Competence dammit! :crankynoweed:

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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #16416282 - 06/21/12 06:26 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Holy shit that bitch is incompetent.  She doesn't know her job.  Then again, it's government--what do you expect?





clearly you dont know what her job actually is

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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16416386 - 06/21/12 06:46 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Clearly you have a sig.

LIES FUCKING EVERYWHERE.


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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: The Phleg]
    #16416404 - 06/21/12 06:50 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Clearly you have a sig.

LIES FUCKING EVERYWHERE.



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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: Synth Ethics]
    #16416433 - 06/21/12 06:55 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

She knows the answer, she isn't saying it cuz she doesn't want that to be part of her permanent record of quotes.

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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #16416595 - 06/21/12 07:27 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
Holy shit that bitch is incompetent.  She doesn't know her job.  Then again, it's government--what do you expect?





clearly you dont know what her job actually is



She's still a fucking idiot

She did a terrible job at dodging those questions, and dodging those questions just make it even more apparent how fucked up and decrepit the whole organization is.

Why the fuck can't she just say heroin meth and crack have killed more people than marijuana, when asked with that question ?

Its silly to sit there and dance around that question, when everyone knows.

I don't care if its her job, they need to update that shit.


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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: morrowasted]
    #16416622 - 06/21/12 07:32 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Her fucking Job is to sit there benzod out all day and lie to the face of the people about important matters like its ok


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Re: DEA Administrator can't answer simple question [Re: eltonjohn]
    #16418012 - 06/21/12 11:45 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah it seems patently wrong that someone would do that and yet they hold one of the most powerful offices in the country.

That is if you have some convoluted idea of this being a good "country" governed by good people.


The government that governs best is that which governs least.


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