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New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype!
    #1640839 - 06/17/03 11:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

For a long time vendors have been 'domesticating' wild specimens of cubensis from any exotic area they can find purely to try and capitalise on it. The whole point of developing a good, properly domesticated variety of cubensis would be due to its high yielding/fruiting performance or perhaps an oddity of its genetics that is fairly stable that would make it unique in potency, etc.
The concept of one man going to a small island in thailand and picking seven cubensis specimens from areas within a 50km radius, bringing them back to USA and having someone isolate them once or twice, posting a picture of one of the isolates that manage to fruit in a unique way, printing this and then marketing it as an excitng new 'strain' of cubensis is misleading and redudant. Or capitalism at its worst.
Cubensis like Treasure Coast, PRs, many of the thai spore-races, some of those from Australia (i like the tassie though but there is no way cubensis was found in tasmania!!!) are just average wild cubensis mushrooms being sold with poorly domesticated variable genetics. Basing their relevance as a distinct strain purely on the location of the origin mushroom. And capitalising on the wide variety of genetic throwbacks - such as TC's albino freaks as something other than what they really represent - poor selection and domestication.
If the principle being used is correct, i could go out into the Australian country side and find four cubensis fruits in four different paddocks, isolate them a little, get a few weird fruiting characteristics that i take a picture of, then sell them as four different cubensis strains. Now that is bordering on nasty!
The best example of this came from Captain Max who actually had the guile to receive a bunch of wild prints from Australia and actually use these to make syringes - the Wollongong variety was on the market no longer than two weeks after he received the original prints.
Reputable vendors are few and far between.


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1640874 - 06/17/03 11:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

so.



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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: fugu]
    #1640876 - 06/17/03 11:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)



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    #1640889 - 06/17/03 11:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: fugu]
    #1640892 - 06/17/03 11:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The truth hurts, especially the pockets of those profitting from these things.


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: fugu]
    #1640896 - 06/17/03 11:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

what do you mean "so"? and what the hell is that link about...

i thank you Blue Meanie for the knowledge you just dropped

my friends malabars were tiny and strange. I do beleive that this post has made me think better of the "most popular" type... because they would be the most isolated...am I right?...


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: Rastafari]
    #1640907 - 06/18/03 12:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

fugu is a fruit cake guys i dont know if he is always dosing or just plain fruity. but have soe one noticed that when he needs an answer everything is spelled right and makes cents but when he talks in someone elses shit he dont make no cents at all
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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: MAGICSNOOP]
    #1640937 - 06/18/03 12:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have to agree. There are many people taking credit for "discovering" strains without basis. Finding a common strain in an uncommon setting does not make a strain unique.

I've never seen a Gulf Coast grow in my yard, but then one year, there it was. I'll call it the Ainasko strain.

Also, there seems to be a trend of people taking common procedures and naming the tek after themselves. I guess everyone wants to be famous.



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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: MAGICSNOOP]
    #1640947 - 06/18/03 12:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

thanks bluemeanie for "for the knowledge ".
>what the hell is that link about...
an un-opened australian honey tek link.


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: fugu]
    #1640956 - 06/18/03 12:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i want an Ainasko strain if possibble for my fish.


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: fugu]
    #1641104 - 06/18/03 01:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

And you know that some vendors are making big $$ out of it all...


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: fugu]
    #1641107 - 06/18/03 01:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

nice avatar Rastifari!


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1641120 - 06/18/03 01:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Nobody forces you to buy new strains. If you are pleased with the strain(s) you already have, then stay with them, why should you bother acquiring new ones.
It?s about choice and diversity, this is what makes this hobby fun.


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1641122 - 06/18/03 01:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If those arent Malabars on Sporebank the what the hell are they??


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
    #1641194 - 06/18/03 01:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The malabar pics on the sporebank website ARE malabars. Malabars have a tendency to grow to full maturity without their veils breaking. What you are seeing in those pics are mushrooms at full maturity when their caps are starting to upturn, but their veil is still attached. That is what makes them so unnusual looking. Unfortunately, veils staying attached that long is uncommon, and it is unlikely that yours will do the same. However, malabars are the only cubies that I know of that will do that at all. So if you want shrooms that look like those pics, then you will have to keep growing malabars.


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
    #1641211 - 06/18/03 02:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Blue meanie, are you criticising, John Allen? Aren't his Thai strains pretty well accepted? I think he even has all kinds of pics and info on his mushroom hunting adventures in Thailand and Austrailia. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: Demiurge]
    #1641578 - 06/18/03 07:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You are not wrong at all. A few people have enjoyed his strains. I would also like to add, if an implication is being made, I personally have never seen MJ ever push for anyone to buy anything from him. So I wouldn't call it "vendor" hype on his behalf. I wouldn't consider him a run o' the mill vendor, If a vendor at all.


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: Demiurge]
    #1641723 - 06/18/03 10:12 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The malabar pics on the sporebank website ARE malabars. Malabars have a tendency to grow to full maturity without their veils breaking. What you are seeing in those pics are mushrooms at full maturity when their caps are starting to upturn, but their veil is still attached. That is what makes them so unnusual looking. Unfortunately, veils staying attached that long is uncommon, and it is unlikely that yours will do the same. However, malabars are the only cubies that I know of that will do that at all. So if you want shrooms that look like those pics, then you will have to keep growing malabars.





I thought pf were known for keeping their viels longer than normal as well? could be wrong I've never worked with them myself


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: ]
    #1643177 - 06/19/03 01:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Firstly - Anno - im not talking from my perspective - im suggesting that the majority of the money made by vendors is from newbies - so Im hoping to enlighten newbies on this issue.
No where did i say that diversity was the issue - diversity is ofcourse a fantastic thing. I actually meant in the case of the Ko Samu cubensis quite the opposite - there isnt much diversity on one small geographically isolated island.
Secondly - yes i am criticising MJshroomer - i do that on a daily basis, because he once told me that he was an authority on Australian Psilocybes and that he was a 'Mushroom God.' Id say that about nearly everything he has posted regarding Australian psilocybes is factually incorrect and demonstrates that he has little understanding of biology in general, let alone the Subaeruginosa complex within Australia.
Thirdly, I wasnt saying that MJ himself was profiting from the sales of these different 'diverse' strains from the same small island - he already has from the sale of the original spores to various vendors upon hs return - i am talking about the vendors who are now marketing them.
If you'd rather listen to the vendors and pay them your hard-earned $$ or someone makes posts claiming he is a mushroom god despite making constant factually incorrect posts - that's your choice.
But I think that newbies would do well to stick to reputable spore-races and would probably get more genetic diversity from their own cubes picked from local paddocks, than from some of the mutated crap available through vendors.


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    #1643216 - 06/19/03 01:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: Alien]
    #1643222 - 06/19/03 01:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah but im a Counter Culture Crusader and all...:)


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    #1643224 - 06/19/03 01:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: Alien]
    #1643405 - 06/19/03 02:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

>Subaeruginosa
so is that posibble to trade that print or what?


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: MAGICSNOOP]
    #1643660 - 06/19/03 05:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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fugu :have some one noticed that when he needs an answer everything is spelled right and makes cents but when he talks in someone elses shit he dont make no cents at all
fugu no disrespectjust having a laff


you're not the only one to notice that.
i like fugu - he is a character. and he does allegedly operate out of istanbul or somewhere. but yes, his english does improve markedly when needs be. fugu, you've been rumbled: admit it, are you actually in LA and a fluent English speaker?


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: shirley knott]
    #1643716 - 06/19/03 06:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

shirley you are a typical london people not much more not much less..
if you want to trade pm me.
if you want to meet with a friend of mine from england pm me.
if you want to stay with me in costantinapolis pm me.
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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: Demiurge]
    #1643902 - 06/19/03 08:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The malabar pics on the sporebank website ARE malabars. Malabars have a tendency to grow to full maturity without their veils breaking. What you are seeing in those pics are mushrooms at full maturity when their caps are starting to upturn, but their veil is still attached. That is what makes them so unnusual looking. Unfortunately, veils staying attached that long is uncommon, and it is unlikely that yours will do the same. However, malabars are the only cubies that I know of that will do that at all. So if you want shrooms that look like those pics, then you will have to keep growing malabars.





not to inject myself into this debate but malabars are not the only cubie that will produce such shrooms.
here's a pic of one [SA strain] i grew, before the veil tore it looked exactly like sporework's famous photo.


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: Hippie3]
    #1647692 - 06/20/03 11:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

No strain is purely stable - depending on the genetics of the spore match, you might get all sorts of oddities, but a picture of the domestication of a species would be a high level of viability from innoculations.
BTW that veil is pretty amazing!


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #14300816 - 04/16/11 03:04 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: fromga2wa]
    #14300883 - 04/16/11 03:14 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: mister]
    #14300933 - 04/16/11 03:21 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: fromga2wa]
    #14301050 - 04/16/11 03:33 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

dude... the thread is 7 years old


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14303042 - 04/16/11 10:02 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Zombie thread is resurrected!


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: mister]
    #14303254 - 04/16/11 10:42 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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dude what strains are those in your signature? I'm being serious. They look cool


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: CaptainAhab]
    #14303422 - 04/16/11 11:14 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I like the albino pointy nipples too. ;0)


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #14303568 - 04/16/11 11:46 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Zombie thread is resurrected!




where is ammo? Nikolai is in deep shit!(russian accent)


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: b0ricuaguerrero]
    #14304343 - 04/17/11 03:28 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: ChronicSmoke]
    #14304561 - 04/17/11 05:05 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

seven year old thread but it still beats a dead horse a cube is a cube is a cube. Ive grown  atleast 7 varieties and yep they were all cubes. I noticed PES Hawwaiin Gave me the most prolific fast paced trip. Amazons gave me the best social trip.  But I never grew a cube that didnt give me a cube trip.


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: CaptainAhab]
    #14306800 - 04/17/11 04:41 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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dude what strains are those in your signature? I'm being serious. They look cool



The first was a Treasure Coast that I worked with for years to get that. The second was Albino A+. I thought the Albino A+ smelled different, stronger than a normal cube to me, thus, I quit growing it, but they got big.


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: mister]
    #14307128 - 04/17/11 05:37 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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mister said:
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dude what strains are those in your signature? I'm being serious. They look cool



The first was a Treasure Coast that I worked with for years to get that. The second was Albino A+. I thought the Albino A+ smelled different, stronger than a normal cube to me, thus, I quit growing it, but they got big.




Thanks for responding. That gulf coast looks good. Years, eh? Hmm.


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Re: New Cubensis Strains? More like Vendor hype! [Re: CaptainAhab]
    #14307205 - 04/17/11 05:50 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

I did agar work to find sectors that I found to look nice and rhizo. That got me real good fruiting and  "other benefits" as well. Loved working with the Treasue Coast, especially when they threw an albino once in a while from no where.


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