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Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method
    #16387960 - 06/15/12 10:45 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

How do you harvest your bulk subs (uncased)?
I twist and pull because I've found the substrate is happier without little pieces of fruit rotting on top of it...but I find a lot of experienced cultivators around these parts like to cut at the base, and I also get sick of tearing chunks out of my sub.
What do you prefer? And if you cut at the base, how do you get the little piece of stem off the substrate, or do you just let it be?


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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #16387971 - 06/15/12 10:48 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

very interesting....i would also like to know this

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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: PussyFart]
    #16387995 - 06/15/12 10:52 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

I twist and pull, but I have a trick. When you grip the stem, push downwards just slightly as you twist and then pull up. I find this does the least amount of damage to the substrate. Not to mention leaves more area for future pins, because even though I can't prove it won't happen, I have yet to see pics of pins forming on the base of a harvested stem.

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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: PussyFart]
    #16388012 - 06/15/12 10:56 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

The stumps do not rot, they simply bruise heavily.

Either method works.
Most prefer to cut at the base so as to not damage the sub. Damaging the sub leaves it less resistant to contamns and also uses valuable energy which should be saved for the first two flushes (Highest yielding flushes).


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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: Diesel_Dawg]
    #16388016 - 06/15/12 10:57 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

I've had a few, I could probably go snap a pic for ya.  I have to go from set n forget to misting and fanning after the first flush for it to occur frequently tho.  That's a good idea, D_Dawg.
Standard cubes generally don't rip up the sub excessively in my experience, but a few varieties really dig in...Treasure coast grows always end up with me swearing every other fruit I pluck.

Totally gonna try the push down and twist method. Thanks!
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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: Dr.Tooty]
    #16388021 - 06/15/12 10:58 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

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TootyBooty said:
The stumps do not rot, they simply bruise heavily.

Either method works.
Most prefer to cut at the base so as to not damage the sub. Damaging the sub leaves it less resistant to contamns and also uses valuable energy which should be saved for the first two flushes (Highest yielding flushes).




I've always been told they'll open up a route for contams to take hold...hmm.  I may need to reassess what I've learned about these matters. I may be going off false information.
Thanks!
Other people, please tell me more!


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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #16388035 - 06/15/12 11:02 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

Always cut at the base, never twist and pull. Leave the "stumps" in place, they don't harm anything.

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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #16388041 - 06/15/12 11:03 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

the base of the stem doesn't "rot", and new mycelia will usually colonize over it if it's from the 1st flush...

IMO/E it's better to leave the "stub" of the stipe when you harvest, especially if you look at it from a risk/reward perspective: a messed up sub from twisting/pulling= better chances you'll have a new contam farm; a stub is better than a hole that won't fruit mushrooms...

I cut at the base with a scalpel as close as I can get to the sub.

Also, I don't like pieces of coir, WBS, or anything else on the ends- I like to have a nice vacuum-sealed bag of gorgeous dried mushies in the end of all of it.

Yeah, it's a lot more work, but so is life with OCD :shrug: haha


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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #16388060 - 06/15/12 11:08 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

Doesnt the base revert back to mycellium if left behind? Ive always used 4lb test fishing line to harvest, even clusters of 6-7 fruitbodies come of clean and easy, definately patch over the "bald spots" asap

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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: a social revolt]
    #16388095 - 06/15/12 11:17 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

I usually cut at the base unless the fruits tend to pull off real easy.  I can tell when it is going to just come up from the substrate real clean and easy.  But if there are any pins or small mushroom around the mushroom I am harvesting I will not even try to pull it.  I will go straight for the scissors and cut at the base.  Right before I have gotten all the flushes I think I am going to get from the tub I get in it and pull up all the stem bases and dry them out.  This shit is real easy to toss in a coffee grinder once it is dried and then capsule up.


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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #16388234 - 06/15/12 11:48 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

I honestly must have some shitty luck, because I had to toss cakes out due to stem stump rotting. :shrug:

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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: JoeMama1992] * 1
    #16388246 - 06/15/12 11:54 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

I don't know about cakes.  I guess it's about the same thing almost.  I work with tubs though.  I know everyone says to get a good foundation with cakes before you move onto bulk and tubs... But I swear tubs are soooo much easier to work with than cakes.  I think everyone in the world should switch to tubs and start growing bulk:thumbup:


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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: JoeMama1992]
    #16388272 - 06/16/12 12:03 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

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I honestly must have some shitty luck, because I had to toss cakes out due to stem stump rotting. :shrug:




Really? wouldn't happen to have any pics would you?
I honestly have never had that happen, but I also pull n twist with cakes. It doesn't destroy the sub, like it does with coir or manure based subs.


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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #16388321 - 06/16/12 12:15 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

I'm on the way! Only things keeping me from moving up to grain & mini-mono are the facts that qt, jars won't fit in my 9 qt. PC, and I don't have an isolate to work with yet. But to not totally de-rail the thread, the smell from the stem stump rot was horrible, and they turned dark brown & slimy. :puke:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        EDIT: No, I didn't even think to take a pic of it, one was saved by slicing off the infected top 1/4 of the cake, dunking in a 50/50 mix of distilled water and 3% peroxide, and making a seperate sgfc out of a gallon milk jug, put off one final flush of around 20g fresh before being tossed.

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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: JoeMama1992]
    #16388834 - 06/16/12 03:05 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

I cut at the base. I have some pictures floating around of new pins forming on the stumps. I'll try to post them tomorrow if I find the time.

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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: mrmojoshroomin]
    #16388865 - 06/16/12 03:22 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

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Ive always used 4lb test fishing line to harvest, even clusters of 6-7 fruitbodies come of clean and easy, definately patch over the "bald spots" asap




That method sounds pretty cool. Do you just wrap the line around it and pull it tight to cut through?

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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: Sma]
    #16389024 - 06/16/12 05:20 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

The mycelium is the only thing keeping the whole substrate from being taken over by contaminants. You're better off having a stump of solid live mycelium left behind than an area of substrate that's had the mycelium torn off of it.


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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: JoeMama1992]
    #16389301 - 06/16/12 08:57 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

u could do wbs in pints.

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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: Fungal growth]
    #16389461 - 06/16/12 09:59 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

Fcuk cutting them, never understood that. Mangled ass fruits with more left over crap on ur substrate.

I Always twist and pull. If done right you will hardly mess up your substrate and even if you do
I have seen countless times that fruits can and will grow from the torn up patches.

End result, a tad bit more weight and a nicer looking fruit in the end (even thought that really doesnt
matter much).

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Re: Cutting at the base vs. twist n pull method [Re: DeadHearts]
    #16389583 - 06/16/12 10:31 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

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I twist and pull because I've found the substrate is happier without little pieces of fruit rotting on top of it




In nearly 5 decades of growing many tens of thousands of bulk substrates, I've never seen one single stump left after cutting at the base start to rot. It's best not to repeat crap posted by noobs who blame any failure on the tek they used rather than their own mistakes.

I have however seen thousands of grows ruined by green mold which starts in the divot caused by ripping out a chunk of substrate.
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