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Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure?
    #1638732 - 06/17/03 10:10 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

hello everyone. i'm new here..i live in central florida (melbourne), any others here? (send me a pm)..here's my problem: i've read on the internet a hundred times that psilocybe cubensis grows on both cow and horse manure. i know a little park (that's public) that is littered with horse patties..so i'm thinking i'm in luck. then a few friends say they heard that cubensis found growing on horse manure is not potent (doesn't "work" in getting you high). can anyone clarify this?


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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: ricky]
    #1638753 - 06/17/03 10:19 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

It's in the genetics of Psilocybe cubensis to produce psilocybin. What kind of manure it grows from shouldn't make any difference(not any noticable difference, at least). They really favor cow manure the most but it's definately not impossible to find them on horse manure.

Just a quick tip: read the new forum rules thread... Could save you and me some trouble in the future(you vaguely asked for a hunting partner).


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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: Gumby]
    #1638763 - 06/17/03 10:25 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

i didn't ask "for a hunting partner", i just wanted to see if there was anyone else on here located in my area. thank you for replying, and sorry if i broke a rule..


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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: ricky]
    #1638781 - 06/17/03 10:34 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I never said you did... It was a vague reference that could be construed as asking for a hunting partner.
Perhaps I'm just over analyzing things.
It's probably all that crack that I've been smoking :wink:
Don't worry about it :smile:


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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: Gumby]
    #1638805 - 06/17/03 10:48 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

haha. it's all good man. is it very hard to come by p. cubensis growing on horse dung? has anyone on here seen/picked p. cubensis growing on horse manure? you said it's not impossible..but that kind of makes me think you're implying that it's slightly rare to see them on horse dung. i don't see why they wouldn't..thanks again!


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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: ricky]
    #1638811 - 06/17/03 10:53 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

yes its not unheard of but not common. for about every 20 or so posts here about cubes 1 might be someone finding them on horse dung. if you do a search there should be some pictures and all that. happy hunting. peace

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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: ricky]
    #1638812 - 06/17/03 10:55 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Well yeah, it's a fairly rare site to see. I have seen it before, though. LizardKing(used to be hunting forum mod) has found them growing from horse dung on several occasion. I also believe Remy has found them growing from horse dung in the Atlanta area.

If you're in Florida I'd say you'd have a decent chance of finding them in horse dung. It's surely worth a try.


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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: ricky]
    #1638819 - 06/17/03 10:59 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

The reason why they are rarely seen growing off horse dung is due to horses digestive systems which differ from cows. You see cows have multiple stomachs and there stomachs dont utilize stomach acids so when they graze they are also inturn eating spores. When the spores pass through their stomachs they germinate. Then when the cows takes a dump the spores also come out. Now they are germinated and have a bunch of shit to thrive off of. I guess horses have stomach acid that kills most of the spores. However I always thought that horses didnt have that good of digestive systems and that was why horse poo is used more often in indoor cultivation than cow poo. I thought this because it you look at horse poo it contains more grassy straw stuff in it than cow shit. I hope i made sense.


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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: bugabuga420]
    #1638914 - 06/17/03 12:00 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Most Cubensis grow from spores deposited on the grass and then the manure falls on the grass.

Of course, cows do eat fresh shrooms thus inthat way they also spred the sopres into a manure pile when shitiing which as mention above is one method of dispersal, but most come from spores on the grasses the cows eat. ANd from shrooms they consume when grazing.

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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1638998 - 06/17/03 01:54 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

do you think the cows get high


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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: Dobie]
    #1639224 - 06/17/03 05:31 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I've found them in horse dung before in a field here in the ATL area. More interestingly I've also found them growing VERY prolifically on stable shavings and small amounts of horse manure mixed together in a big heap outside a stable. These were by far!!!!!!! the most potent cubensis I ever consumed. Though I would speculate this had more to do with location and conditions these mushrooms were growing in, not the type of dung.


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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: ricky]
    #1639276 - 06/17/03 06:07 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Here are some pics of horse dung cubes, the first two are from a horse pasture near my house, and the last 3 pics are from the woodshaving pile outside a nearby stable. The woodshaving cubes were dug up when found and no apparent dung was found directly underneath. I am sure there was a piece of colonized horse dung somehwere in that pile, but it spawned to the fresh damp wood shavings and the mycelium spread through it like wildfire!













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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: Lizard King]
    #1639288 - 06/17/03 06:13 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Hey I'm from Orlando but I have shrooming buddies in melbourne ;-) I board my horse at a show stable and I have never found cubes out there. I found one pan subb out there. I'm always on the looking out though...but if you are just going to random fields I would definately reccomend hunting some cow pastures instead. It's great conditions out there right now! Good luck!


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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: ricky]
    #1639292 - 06/17/03 06:14 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

then a few friends say they heard that cubensis found growing on horse manure is not potent (doesn't "work" in getting you high). can anyone clarify this?




Bollocks. Of course, Ps. Cub. specimen vary in potency, but all cubbies contain psiloc(yb)in, so they will get you high. As GumbyDude stated, the production of active alkalo?ds in Ps. Cubensis is genetically decided.


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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: ScubySnak420]
    #1639404 - 06/17/03 07:31 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, cow pastures are still a better bet, but if you have access to a field and just love to hunt like I do, its definitely worth investigating the field.


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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: Lizard King]
    #1639542 - 06/17/03 08:58 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

wow those are neat P. cubensis pictures. they look much different when growing from horse dung etc.

i have never found them growing in horse dung but then again i have not been to that many horse farms. only a couple, and all ive found there were Panaeolus species.

maybe somebody had an outdoor tek going in your find :grin: 


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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #1639656 - 06/17/03 09:48 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

ScubySnak420,
hey girl :blush:) the problem is that all of the cow fields around here are private property (as i'm sure is the case with most cow fields) and rather hard to access. i don't want to entertain the thought of getting shot by the rifle of some hillbilly farmer..


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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: MagmaManiac]
    #1639672 - 06/17/03 09:54 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Naw, these weren't cultivated, I know this for sure. They were found at a rather famous local horse park. I asked one of the attendants where they dumped all the horse droppings and used bedding once their manure pitts filled up. He kindly told me where to go and said I could take as much as I wanted for my garden(this was my excuse for asking) For two years I picked Ps. cubensis from this location, then some front end loaders came in and started giving away the compost to the public and loading all kinda of dump trucks with my cubensis patch :frown: They were wild cubes though, and damn nice ones! I have heard of people in florida finding them in stable shavings as well, so this isn't an all to uncommon occurance. It was kinda of suprising to me though at first. I couldn't believe the were growing from wood shavings, but they are some very hardy and persistant mushrooms. There was also horse dung mixed with the shavings, but its was far and inbetween, there wasn't much, and I never found a cube in actual hosre dung in this location, only in the wood shavings.

I also found some Panaeolus camanulatus(sp?) and other various Pans growing from the shavings, I don't think someone would take the time to create and outdoor patch of inactive pans :smile:

Heres a pic...



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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: Lizard King]
    #1639732 - 06/17/03 10:18 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

> More interestingly I've also found them growing VERY prolifically on stable shavings and small amounts of horse manure mixed together in a big heap outside a stable. These were by far!!!!!!! the most potent cubensis I ever consumed.

I agree... VERY potent.


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Re: Central Florida/Cubensis/Horse Manure? [Re: Gumby]
    #1640063 - 06/18/03 12:41 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I was going to add..."just ask gumby about potency" :smile: He'll tell ya!


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