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islanduniverse


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monstrose lophophora williamsii?
#16384317 - 06/15/12 07:54 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know there are williamsii crests, variegated lophs, etc., but are there any monstrose form williamsii? Be it on normal or caespitose types?
If so does anyone have photos?
Also what lophs have caespitose growth - williamsii/jourdaniana? Diffusae?
Thanx doods
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Hi there,
I don't know of there are lophophora monstrasus but I do now that every lophophora species can be multiheaded.
Ceaspitosa and jourdania are always multiheaded see pictures below
 ceaspitosa
 jourdania
and this is a huizache with multiheads

And I have seen a multiheaded frigii's to so I think that every lophophora can be multiheaded but ceaspitosa en jourdania produce the most pups.
the lophophora you see above grow on there own root from the beginning with entet lophophora it is a different story those almost always produce more heads. but then they come out of the body and not out of the root.
Edited by plant-paradise (06/15/12 10:05 AM)
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i dont think there is is. but with cacti anything is possible.
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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: ferrel_human]
#16385611 - 06/15/12 01:48 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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What is entet?
From what ive noticed non-cesp plants become multiheaded after several years and they will grow starting low like near top of root, but i have seen how the cesp variety get many smaller heads growing quicker... and that they can have long stem/root down to same top of root
What does it mean when pups burst through skin/areoles as opposed to written above? Is it odd for pups to pop through random parts of others or do they generally come out through areoles?
Also im trying to hone my loph id skills, and with respect to plants npt flowering is the rib/folds the next best indicator?
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islanduniverse said: What is entet?
From what ive noticed non-cesp plants become multiheaded after several years and they will grow starting low like near top of root, but i have seen how the cesp variety get many smaller heads growing quicker... and that they can have long stem/root down to same top of root
What does it mean when pups burst through skin/areoles as opposed to written above? Is it odd for pups to pop through random parts of others or do they generally come out through areoles?
Also im trying to hone my loph id skills, and with respect to plants npt flowering is the rib/folds the next best indicator?
I agree with you new growth appears on the top of the root!
ented = when you put one plant on top of another righ? If not you now atleast know what I mean :P (what is the englisch word of this)
My frigii does produce new pups out of arealos I don't know why though it looks kinda funny:P I'll have to say that my frigii was ented and then rerooted again.
I'm not shure but I think to much fertelizer is the cause of new growth true skin.
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islanduniverse said:
Also im trying to hone my loph id skills, and with respect to plants npt flowering is the rib/folds the next best indicator?
I would say yes but all lops begin with 4/5 ribs. and they change at a certain age. They can be 5, 10 or even 15 years before the ribs change. But in home culture it would probably 2/3 years after first flowering.
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islanduniverse


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thanks for the tips
i figured you meant grafted plants... yeah when the lophs are grafted it looks like they are overwhelmed by growth and really start to explode with pups all over the place
can't wait !
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Quote:
plant-paradise said:
ented = when you put one plant on top of another righ? If not you now atleast know what I mean :P (what is the englisch word of this)
Enten in English means graft. Anyone remember Enten op Pereskiopsis?
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Also im trying to hone my loph id skills, and with respect to plants npt flowering is the rib/folds the next best indicator?
Not sure if you've read this but here's a link to a post with the Kaktusy Lophophora special that kadakuda uploaded. Click to download. It's got some great info and should help you>>link
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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: karode13]
#16392501 - 06/16/12 11:10 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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aw, right on brotha
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modern.shaman
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I was interested in this myself and have found a monstrose diffusa.



So I'm positive that there must be or can be a monstrose willie somewhere.
That seems to be the only monstrose on the internet so its extremely rare but its out there.
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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: modern.shaman]
#16492464 - 07/06/12 09:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pics don't work, shaman. Got another link?
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modern.shaman
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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: modern.shaman]
#16494020 - 07/07/12 06:14 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's weird its working on my end but I uploaded them myself the original source is in the photo.


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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: modern.shaman]
#16494295 - 07/07/12 09:14 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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KADA, crushing it as usual.
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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: Big L]
#16495750 - 07/07/12 03:44 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tell me about it! Always bringing serious gold. Jealous.
Thanks for the upload, shaman. Dunno why it wasn't working.
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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: turtle_hermit]
#16495771 - 07/07/12 03:50 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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i noticed a few sections on mine with some horseshoeing similar to above pics
right now it's too small and not green enough to have much definition, but hopefully i can find a better camera w/ macro to snap a shot
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modern.shaman
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Looks monstrose or semi-monstrose to me.
Unless they are micropuping, puping as soon as it puped itself. Is that possible?
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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: modern.shaman]
#16498800 - 07/08/12 10:12 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, it's common in some specific clones for the pups to pup immediately. It suggests some sort of hormone imbalance and it's possible to induce such behavior with certain chemicals.
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Edited by modern.shaman (09/08/12 10:29 AM)
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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: modern.shaman]
#16813615 - 09/08/12 08:57 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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modern.shaman said: CAN IT BE??? 
 Lophophora williamsii monstruosa Source:http://public.fotki.com/Grootscholten/plant-collections/pyote/lophophora-williams-2.html
i highly doubt it.
when caespitosa is grafted, every aerole on every pup is subject to tearing into a new plant.
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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: ferrel_human]
#16813691 - 09/08/12 09:12 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now I have a question. There are Lophophora Williamsii seeds and there are Lophophora Williamsii Caespitosa seeds.
Would a Lophophora Williamsii seed be monstrose if it was clumping or would it just be considered a Lophophora Williamsii Caespitosa even though it was a Lophophora Williamsii seed?
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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: modern.shaman]
#16813805 - 09/08/12 09:29 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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i would think it'd be considered caespitose - which i understand pup early, and pup from the lower part of the button, as well as pupping from areoles.
i think normal williamsii only pup when it's been several years, and also happens from the top part of the root, and i dont think (??) from areoles
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caespitosa babies have babies within the year.
but islanduniverse is right.
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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: ferrel_human]
#16814232 - 09/08/12 10:33 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey guys, shaman. its possible that is just overfed and growing like that. i know trichocereus can over pup if you give too much food after you cut a tip. just throwing that out there.
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from a couple of my plants
i'm not sure if this was induced chemically or otherwise, but i like it

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naum said: Yes, it's common in some specific clones for the pups to pup immediately. It suggests some sort of hormone imbalance and it's possible to induce such behavior with certain chemicals.
I just thought since there are seeds for each that if a regular willie seedling started clumping it would still be a regular willie. Guess not
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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: modern.shaman]
#16832487 - 09/11/12 11:28 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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a piece separated from another plant
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islanduniverse said: from a couple of my plants
i'm not sure if this was induced chemically or otherwise, but i like it


Nice one mate
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Re: monstrose lophophora williamsii? [Re: modern.shaman]
#16838368 - 09/12/12 10:30 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
modern.shaman said:
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naum said: Yes, it's common in some specific clones for the pups to pup immediately. It suggests some sort of hormone imbalance and it's possible to induce such behavior with certain chemicals.
I just thought since there are seeds for each that if a regular willie seedling started clumping it would still be a regular willie. Guess not
caespitose means many stems, so any species can be and any plant can be. to be the var. caespitosa it needs to be consistent through and through, and so far it seems only LW has the recognized variety. many diffusa and fricii are caespitose but they are not called the var.
the var. i think is not only consistent but grows from way more areoles normally, and new stems will grow from other very new stems. most other species dont do that. they grow from new stems when the new stem is larger, lets make up a number at 2cm, where LW var. caespitosa can pull off stems from other stems of only mms in width.
example with the 2 above wicked plants. they are both caespitose, but only the smaller one with crazy pups would probably be the var. caespitosa. although i wonder if that plant has some kind of mite doing it? sometimes normal type plants grow really funky due to pests.
A caespitose L. williamsii

A L. williamsii caespitosa
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