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Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars.
    #1638240 - 06/16/03 09:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

3 days after the cakes are not on the sides of the 1/2 pint glass and all of the dry vermaculite is falling down the sides. There is a 1/4inch gap between the glass and the cakes .. QUESTION WHY??


Big question since afoaf CANNOT Seem to grow any pf Cakes.
NONE. NADA , He just cant do it and ive been helping him out latley too.

He mixes everthing right and then PC's in a 15quart Mirror Pressure Cooker.
PC's at 15psi,for 30mins hes tried, 45mins hes tried, 60mins hes tried.
Nothing at all. Using Viable syringes from TLG too.
Whats the Problem?


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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: pussycontrol]
    #1638254 - 06/16/03 09:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Is your incubator to hot, maybe the heat is drying them up and they're shrinking. I had my incubator at a steady 80-82 degrees, and these cakes incubated in about 2 weeks, maybe just under 2 weeks. And look at them now:



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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: Dank420]
    #1638257 - 06/16/03 09:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

NO i tested with and without the incubator.

THEY ALL pull from the sides of the jars.
THe dry verm is fallin down the sides.
And WHere did the spore solution Go? i hit em up with 1 to 2 cc each jar.

What the Fuck is going on. IM gettin pissed off with him b/c we cant figure it out.


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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: pussycontrol]
    #1638271 - 06/16/03 09:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

No colonization at all, or just no pinning? What substrate? Assuming you're letting the jars cool....

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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: micro]
    #1638284 - 06/16/03 09:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

No colonization. WERE talking about NO jars colonization.

Oh yeah , he lets em cool over night then hits em up with 1 syringe per 4-5 jars. And then 3 days later the cake is smaller and nothing.

He has 4 holes on the lid.
dry verm barrier.
Uses medium grade verm
Uses Arrowhead long grain brown rice.

PC's @ 10psi for 45mins. (2 jars)
PC's @ 10psi for 60mins. (2 jars)

PC's @15 for 45mins. (2 jars)
PC's @15 for 60mins. (2 jars)

Tested all posibilites and NOthing . 0 mushies. nada.

Im so pissed.please help me.


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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: pussycontrol]
    #1638290 - 06/16/03 09:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, maybe just start use wbs/grain?


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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: Dank420]
    #1638304 - 06/16/03 09:58 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Already TRIED that too.

WBS turned dark color and never did anything.
ALSO TREIED CC/ aka . cracked corn. got nothing from that either.

U tell me what u use. Ill go buy everthing that u use.

Im past mad , im almost to crying now..


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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: pussycontrol]
    #1638322 - 06/16/03 10:07 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Well if all 3 methods got royally fucked, and they were all in the same pressure cooker, maybe your pressure cooker is fucked, and it's getting to some crazy ass pressure that's not being read on the gauge. Maybe you got some crazy contams in your crib. I just don't know, but I feel for you, smoke some dank and you'll feel better.



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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: pussycontrol]
    #1638323 - 06/16/03 10:07 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Whole grains or are you making flour?

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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: micro]
    #1638373 - 06/16/03 10:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I grind the br to flour in my coffee grinder.

then 1/4brf 1/2verm 1/4 h2o <<something wrong with this.

I already smoked all my dank too and i just keep thinking well if i could grow some mushies then i could probably trade for a quarter or eight, BUT no my fucking mushies are pissin me off.

Im using a Mirror pressure cooker with the little weights that you set on top, its supposed to go to 15psi ,. How accurate is this thing. its 1 month old.


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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: pussycontrol]
    #1638383 - 06/16/03 10:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Your PC should be fine. Do you PC with the lid on tight or loose - sometimes loose is better although not necessary. Do you cover the lid with foil when you PC and colonize? Maybe buy BRF instead of grinding your own? What's the consistency of the subrate in the failed jars, is it really dry, or is it somewhat moist to the touch? Do you have a thermometer, what temperature(s) are you trying to colonize at? Just throwing out as many thoughts and ideas as I can, maybe with more info we can begin to help some...


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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: pussycontrol]
    #1638384 - 06/16/03 10:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Should be accurate enough. After you mix the verm brf and water, how does the moisture feel. It should feel moist, but not wet. Take a hand full of it, and squeeze, if a drop or two comes out, it's perfect. Usually colonization is the easier half of growing mushrooms, there must be something your doing wrong. are you sure the syringe is all the way down into the substrate before knocking them up, like it's not getting squirted into the dry verm layer is it?


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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: kukusz]
    #1638394 - 06/16/03 10:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Your PC should be fine.
Do you PC with the lid on tight or loose - sometimes loose is better although not necessary. Do you cover the lid with foil when you PC and colonize? Maybe buy BRF instead of grinding your own? What's the consistency of the subrate in the failed jars, is it really dry, or is it somewhat moist to the touch? Do you have a thermometer, what temperature(s) are you trying to colonize at? Just throwing out as many thoughts and ideas as I can, maybe with more info we can begin to help some...




1. Always pc with lid on tight, is it still a pc with it on loose? it twists on with the rubber seal thingy.
2. Foil, no foil while pc'ing /ive tried it but then i read a bunch of posts about it not mattering b/c of the dry verm barrier.
3. No thermometor, NO PSI Guage either. has the psi weights
4. Colonizing temps. Eh say 75-80 degrees. I use to think that was the problem so only half of the jars go in the incubator w/tank heater inside bin tek.

5. Please keep helping me.


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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: Dank420]
    #1638409 - 06/16/03 10:42 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Should be accurate enough. After you mix the verm brf and water, how does the moisture feel. It should feel moist, but not wet. Take a hand full of it, and squeeze, if a drop or two comes out, it's perfect. Usually colonization is the easier half of growing mushrooms, there must be something your doing wrong. are you sure the syringe is all the way down into the substrate before knocking them up, like it's not getting squirted into the dry verm layer is it?




Yep it always feals just perfect, if i pick a handfull up and squeeze its moist but not watery. about 2 to 3 drops fall out when i squeeze.
Yeah the syring is all the way down too. Like the top is into the dry verm barrier when im squeezing the soultion out..

But they shrink? And when i take em out of the jars they feal moist and kinda soft, but there not like dripping wet or anything.

If i can just get some damn jars im set, i already know everything there is about this game except getting my damn jars to get white, Im almost ready to buy colonized jars at this point.

keep helping with ideas if you can.


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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: pussycontrol]
    #1638413 - 06/16/03 10:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I meant the lids of the jars on tight - not the pc. Damn man, it sounds like you have everything going pretty well. Dank420 and I both brought up an important question, though: How wet is your subtrate when your jars shrink, and how wet is it right before you innoculate. Since you don't have any jars pre-innoculation I assume, how wet are your failed jars?

crap you answered before I could post this...


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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: pussycontrol]
    #1638417 - 06/16/03 10:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah the syring is all the way down too. Like the top is into the dry verm barrier when im squeezing the soultion out..





So can you see the spore solution dripping down the side of the jar to the bottom?


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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: pussycontrol]
    #1638418 - 06/16/03 10:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

(Sorry, late post)

You're using a canning rack on which to set the jars in the p.c.? Water isn't running out while pressure cooking?

Other than that, seems strange. The recipie seems fine, but the cakes should not be "shrinking" that much that quickly. Of course three days is not nearly enough time to tell if they will colonize at all. This is taking for granted that they aren't contaminated with anything. Maybe just try raising the water content in the recipe, if possible.

A rule of thumb for checking water content (I think I read from Fanaticus' site) is to stick your finger through the substrate and the hole should not collapse.

For the pressure cooker, I guess check the airway to the pressure weight and make sure it isn't obstructed, and make sure the little release valve (usually looks like a botton) is in tact and releasing pressure. If it got messed up somehow there prolly should have been a change in the hissing noise the cooker makes.

All I can think of for now.... Good luck and don't give up!

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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: micro]
    #1638564 - 06/16/03 11:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

the problem as i see it is either:

1 - bad spores, try another vendor

2 - dry substrate - this definately seems to be an issue if you can see the cakes shrinking in the jars. Try a jar or two with an extra 1/8 cup of water before you PC it. Make sure you have the lids on the jars to prevent the water in the substrate from evaporating (dont put the lids on tight though - just a half turn) . My friend uses drinking glasses with a double layer of foil on top held by a rubberband and it works fine also.

Are you getting contams? That may prevent the myc from growing.

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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: dizzim]
    #1638703 - 06/17/03 01:02 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

ok , thankyou all for the help so far.
1. vendor was TLG ,as always.

2. its pretty wet for substrate, it really is. But my PC never really hisses.
What temp should i be cooking on as far as the oven goes.
I use electric oven. the guage ranges from 1 to 6high. Im usually cooking on 2&1/2 which is a low boil.
LOW BOIL is right correct?
And should the PC really hiss. I mean i see steam coming from the top but never really any sounds at all.?

I just blew through the PC vent hole and it did whistle but should i turn the oven up till it hisse..?

Thanks for the help so far guys, i know the situation is so weird. I know my friend can grow b/c his first grow he did with an old little pot that he PC'ed and made 10 off the bat that were perfect.perfect. he doesnt have that old little pot anymore, it was grandma's.


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Re: Why are cakes shrinking on the side of Jars. [Re: pussycontrol]
    #1638725 - 06/17/03 01:14 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

All-American recommends turning the heat so it hisses on and off, but you'd have to refer to the manual for yours, specifically (misuse could be dangerous, so I don't want to give you shady advice.) I've had 3 p.c.'s and they all hissed at me; one day one of them stopped hissing at me for like 20 min. and then it blew up.

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