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Breakthrough on Changa?
    #16375059 - 06/13/12 08:38 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Hey shroomerites :grin:

Has anyone managed to get a Dmt Breakthrough on one or more hits of the caapi leaf herbal blend Changa?


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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: UnifiedField]
    #16375094 - 06/13/12 08:57 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Not trying to be a dick here... but why do you think people make it?  Do you think people would go through the trouble of getting another plant and infusing the spice on to it if it was ineffective?  Changa is usually made as a 1:1 blend meaning you need .1 of the blend instead of .05 of the pure spice.  Maybe if you made it like 5:1 you would have difficulty getting enough spice in... but if you made it this far why would you go and do something stupid like that?


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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: hookahhead]
    #16375108 - 06/13/12 09:03 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, i didn't get the whole entity contact thing like DMT. it was a completely different experience. it was just the feeling that time had essentially stopped and my ego was completely dead and i was watching the most incredible visuals.


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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: UnifiedField]
    #16375220 - 06/13/12 10:00 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

IMO it feels like a different breakthrough to the crystal, you step into the dmt world but your not tottaly obliterated its more chill and less insane which is a good thing for me, i could still have a sense of my surroundings (and manage to walk around) at the same time as i was seeing beautiful entities morphing CEVs, insane fractal patterns, colours pouring out of fucking everything total, ego loss

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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #16375530 - 06/13/12 12:14 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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yeah, i didn't get the whole entity contact thing like DMT. it was a completely different experience. it was just the feeling that time had essentially stopped and my ego was completely dead and i was watching the most incredible visuals.




This. Changa is really cool. I don't have any ayahuasca experience but I've heard Changa is more akin to an ayahuasca experience.


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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: UnifiedField]
    #16375684 - 06/13/12 01:04 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Hey shroomerites :grin:

Has anyone managed to get a Dmt Breakthrough on one or more hits of the caapi leaf herbal blend Changa?




Absolutely possible.  If you want to REALLY push the envelope, add some harmala alkaloids extracted from B. caapi vine to the changa.  You'll need to use Everclear as a solvent, but it takes things to a new level.  How-to instructions can be found at the Nexus.

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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #16376679 - 06/13/12 05:34 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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UnifiedField said:
Hey shroomerites :grin:

Has anyone managed to get a Dmt Breakthrough on one or more hits of the caapi leaf herbal blend Changa?




Absolutely possible.  If you want to REALLY push the envelope, add some harmala alkaloids extracted from B. caapi vine to the changa.  You'll need to use Everclear as a solvent, but it takes things to a new level.  How-to instructions can be found at the Nexus.

N.B.




What if one were to already have the extracted alkaloids .. what would be a good ratio to use?


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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: Kief Ledger]
    #16377233 - 06/13/12 07:50 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

1:1


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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: ChubbyPitbull]
    #16379558 - 06/14/12 05:56 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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1:1




NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!  The DMT can be 1:1 by mass to the leaf material, but do not use more than 100mg - 150 mg (MAX!) of the harmala alkaloids per gram of leaf material!!!  ChubbyPitbull got it all wrong.

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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #16379721 - 06/14/12 08:16 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

NatureBoy why so disdainful towards me?

I used 1:1 with 10x caapi + an additional 150mg leaf material and I like the blend.

Why no more than 150mg harmalas? Is it going to be harmful or something, or do you think it's overwhelming?

Maybe with extracted rue or 20x caapi I would used less, I agree.


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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: ChubbyPitbull]
    #16379796 - 06/14/12 08:59 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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NatureBoy why so disdainful towards me?

I used 1:1 with 10x caapi + an additional 150mg leaf material and I like the blend.

Why no more than 150mg harmalas? Is it going to be harmful or something, or do you think it's overwhelming?

Maybe with extracted rue or 20x caapi I would used less, I agree.




Yes I was referring to pure freebase harmalas.    I would most definitely not put a whole gram in a gram of changa..it was mainly purchased for pharmayusca but I am thinking about a Changa experiment also


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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: Kief Ledger]
    #16379829 - 06/14/12 09:12 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Ok yea.. I see.. Pre-purchased purified freebase hamalas, yes you wouldn't want to use more than you would normally take orally for pharma.

Then use like 150mg and 750-850mg caapi leaf I'd say + whatever other leaf material.


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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: ChubbyPitbull]
    #16382488 - 06/14/12 09:05 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Wasn't being disrespectful, just wanted to make sure the OP got his harmala alkaloid ratio correct before he made the changa and possibly wasted a bunch of material - or worse.

To recap:

1:1 ratio by mass of DMT to leaf material is :thumbup:
150mg of purified harmaline/harmie/THH per gram of leaf material is :thumbup:

My recent experience with 100mg of harmine/harmaline in my changa was :vibin:  :psychsplit:  :omg:  :pinkelephant:  :super:

Changa with harmala alkaloids lasts WAY longer than you might expect.  This morning I had to sit there comfortably in my PVC pool chair and wait it out while watching the pool pavers wiggle and swim, wave and melt for 25 minutes.  Didn't dare to try and stand up.  Can't imagine what 10X that concentration might have produced.

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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #16384415 - 06/15/12 10:46 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Wasn't being disrespectful, just wanted to make sure the OP got his harmala alkaloid ratio correct before he made the changa and possibly wasted a bunch of material - or worse.

To recap:

1:1 ratio by mass of DMT to leaf material is :thumbup:
150mg of purified harmaline/harmie/THH per gram of leaf material is :thumbup:

My recent experience with 100mg of harmine/harmaline in my changa was :vibin:  :psychsplit:  :omg:  :pinkelephant:  :super:

Changa with harmala alkaloids lasts WAY longer than you might expect.  This morning I had to sit there comfortably in my PVC pool chair and wait it out while watching the pool pavers wiggle and swim, wave and melt for 25 minutes.  Didn't dare to try and stand up.  Can't imagine what 10X that concentration might have produced.

N.B.



Very interesting to say the least!

Did you simply place the harmine on top of the Changa or did you dissolve in alcohol and soak the leaf?
Was your Chang a already 1:1 before you added the extra alkaloids


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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: Kief Ledger]
    #16385938 - 06/15/12 04:56 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Did you simply place the harmine on top of the Changa or did you dissolve in alcohol and soak the leaf?
Was your Chang a already 1:1 before you added the extra alkaloids




My friend's monkey told me he did the following:

1)  This particular batch of changa was made all at one go. The leaf material was carefully weighed out and placed in a half-pint glass jar.

2) Next into the jar was 1 gram of snow white n,n,-DMT from an A/B extraction.

3)  Final ingredient was 100mg of harmine/harmaline extracted from B. caapi vine.

4)  A minimal amount of Everclear - 95% ethanol by volume (i.e. 190 proof) was added - just enough to soak the leaf material and dissolve the dry powders.

5) The above was mixed thoroughly, and set aside to dry COMPLETELY under a fan.

Let me anticipate your questions:  NO, you cannot use acetone, isopropyl alcohol or naphtha.  The harmala alkaloids are poorly soluble in those.  You should NOT use methyl alcohol (HEET) under ANY circumstances.  Harmala alkaloids ARE soluble in methyl alcohol, but that shit is POISON in every respect.  Vapors included.  Stay away from that crap.

If you can't get Everclear where you live (I can't...I have a friend who picks it up for me when he travels), use the highest proof vodka you can get.  It will work FINE...it'll just have more water in it and take longer to dry.

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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #16388150 - 06/16/12 01:28 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Be sure to thank your friends monkey for the recipe!


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Re: Breakthrough on Changa? [Re: Kief Ledger]
    #16388957 - 06/16/12 06:30 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Be sure to thank your friends monkey for the recipe!




Gave him a ripe banana.  Consider him thanked!  :lol:

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