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glassschuh
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first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek UPDATE 7-9-12
#16371717 - 06/12/12 04:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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So i spawned my 5qts wbs to 20 qts 40/40/20 worm castings, verm, straw mix today. 4qts mixed in and 1qt on to as a frosting layer. The wbs took 2 weeks to colonize from an eq multi spore... 66qt tub

Had a little left over so i made a 6qt dub as well

Edited by glassschuh (07/09/12 12:01 PM)
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: glassschuh]
#16371745 - 06/12/12 04:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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unless you're planning on selling them to everyone at the phish concert, I don't know why you need to do bulk from cakes.
It's much simpler to do the regular PF Tek/SGFC thing that so many people here advocate, especially for first timers.
Bulk is great, and I advocate it constantly, but if you don't need a hundred mushrooms, and you're trying to hit a deadline, and you haven't done bulk before...
just sayin'.
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: glassschuh]
#16371747 - 06/12/12 04:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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glassschuh said: Hey all, this is my first post as well as my first attempt at growing... I am following pf tek for colonization of brf cakes that I will then bulk spawn... Right now I am drying out my worm castings, and waiting on my 2 spore syringes to arrive tomorrow... They should be here tomorrow, so I'm very excited. I also ordered a pc to try some grains out next go round. I have been reading posts on here and pretty much neglecting all other aspects of my life for the last few weeks so that I will hopefully be able to have a successful grow with minimal contam issues, etc. I am building a glove box tonight to finish prepping. Does anyone have any tips for me off the top of their heads that first timers often overlook or forget? I feel pretty comfortable with the processes from reading then re reading lots of posts, but any info from experienced mycologists would be helpful. I am trying to have the grow done by August 22 for the Phish concert in KC, does anyone think I will have trouble having some fruits by then?
I would only say that a monotub is easier and more effective than a dub tub IME. I would not worry about the worm castings...minimal benefit, if any in all of my bulk grows (quite a few). Also, how do you plan on pasteurizing? Damion5050's elementary bucket tek is great for the first time. Coir, verm and gypsum is all you need for a great grow- adding worm castings is just going to need to be properly pasteurized (via RR's method, preferably). I would recommend keeping it as simple as possible for the first time, lest you get contam'd subs and then there will be no "Phish food."  Given your time frame, you've got one shot at it. Good luck!
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#16373547 - 06/12/12 09:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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what monotub tek would you recommend, or should i just use the same one just converted to monotub... it seems like the yield isnt effected much either way from what ive read... also i am already drying my castings... is there anything else i should mix with them besides verm? it seems like several people have been unhappy with them as a substrate but eatyu's pics don't look like tgere should be much to be unhappy about.
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: glassschuh]
#16373573 - 06/12/12 10:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: glassschuh]
#16373798 - 06/12/12 10:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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glassschuh said: what monotub tek would you recommend, or should i just use the same one just converted to monotub... it seems like the yield isnt effected much either way from what ive read... also i am already drying my castings... is there anything else i should mix with them besides verm? it seems like several people have been unhappy with them as a substrate but eatyu's pics don't look like tgere should be much to be unhappy about.
Worm castings are not a substrate, they are an additive. I dont know about other people's experience, but you'd be better off doing a brick of coir and 2-5 qts verm. I would never recommend WC as a substrate.
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#16380802 - 06/14/12 01:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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what about 40/40/20 coir castings verm?
I just inoculated 12 b+ 1/2 pint jars and 7 cambodian as well... so I have a little while to figure it out... they are incubating at 80 degrees, hoping they will be ready in a couple of weeks!
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: glassschuh]
#16380813 - 06/14/12 01:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Castings have a terrible texture and shouldn't be used in such high volumes. Maybe 1-2 quarts of them at most. They clump up when you hydrate them and are sticky and messy. And I don't find they even do much for the fruits period. Colonize at 70-75, room temps. Incubation is outdated. Colonizing slows down after a little over 75, and those higher temps favor molds. You will also need to pasteurize properly. Bucket tek won't cut it if you're using worm castings.
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#16380906 - 06/14/12 01:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Edited by Roku13 (06/14/12 01:26 PM)
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: Roku13]
#16381066 - 06/14/12 02:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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k... i have 4 66qt tubs how many coir bricks would i need to have 3-4 inch substrate in each do you think? I'm going with monos now i think. Thanks for the info about incubation as well, it will be easier not having to worry anyway. My room upstairs is 75 without doing anything to it. Our air conditioner doesn't do too well up there.
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: glassschuh]
#16381599 - 06/14/12 03:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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No problem.  You will want to use one brick per tub, and 2-4 quarts of verm. Will easily fill those tubs. You may even have a little left over. Coir and verm is great for beginners, as it doesn't contam easily. Keep us posted!
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#16382122 - 06/14/12 05:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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i remembered i bought some moonure for garden how about 40/40/20 moonure/coir/verm with some straw thrown in also
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: glassschuh]
#16383135 - 06/14/12 10:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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glassschuh said: i remembered i bought some moonure for garden how about 40/40/20 moonure/coir/verm with some straw thrown in also
Is field aged horse manure? You'll need to pasteurize properly but it should be great if you don't mind the extra bit of work (which is totally worth learning early, IMO) Proper pasteurizing = better flushes in my experience, even with just coir and verm. I've fruited clones side by side as a test.
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#16392305 - 06/16/12 10:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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ok, so I inoculated 20 jars... 7 cambodian as I m istatook the small lines in between ccs as tenths. Turns out they marked twentieths. I noticed about 3 jars in or 4, but oh well... No worries. I tried to correct this by using a little less on the B+ I did after, and nocd 13 jars with that 10cc syringe. I also read that you can refill syringes with water and that will allow spores stuck to the sides reenter the water. Not sure how accurate this is, but I tried it with the last 3 jars I had left over, excepting the one I opened to see how the substrate felt... was kind of gummy feeling i guess... it was stuck together a little anyway. is that normal? It also didn't feel really wet, but was not really dry, either... hard to describe. Does anyone have any info on how a pcd brf jars contents should feel? I have been waiting 2 days, so hopefully will have something to look at in a few days.
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: glassschuh]
#16392627 - 06/16/12 11:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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glassschuh said: ok, so I inoculated 20 jars... 7 cambodian as I m istatook the small lines in between ccs as tenths. Turns out they marked twentieths. I noticed about 3 jars in or 4, but oh well... No worries. I tried to correct this by using a little less on the B+ I did after, and nocd 13 jars with that 10cc syringe. I also read that you can refill syringes with water and that will allow spores stuck to the sides reenter the water. Not sure how accurate this is, but I tried it with the last 3 jars I had left over, excepting the one I opened to see how the substrate felt... was kind of gummy feeling i guess... it was stuck together a little anyway. is that normal? It also didn't feel really wet, but was not really dry, either... hard to describe. Does anyone have any info on how a pcd brf jars contents should feel? I have been waiting 2 days, so hopefully will have something to look at in a few days.
You can honestly inoculate a jar with a drop or three from the spore syringe in each hole. Also, if you refilled your syringe with water, I hope you sterilized that water in a jar in your PC first. Otherwise, you just ruined a few jars... As long as you put foil over the jars before PCing and used the proper ratio for your cakes, 2 parts verm, one part brf, one part water, your moisture content will be fine. It usually does feel a little gummy.
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#16397734 - 06/17/12 11:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks. i did sterilize the water for sure, just forgot to mention in post. also tried to start a lc with baby bottle and honey at 4% strength with 1cc i had left over from my b+ syringe. Tonight was first noticeable myc growth in maybe 7 jars, will post pics tomorrow. Im excited that there is at least something happening. Even though there is a long way to go, things are underway...
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: glassschuh]
#16403027 - 06/19/12 11:00 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here are some pics from day 3... Looking good, I think...


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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: glassschuh]
#16403289 - 06/19/12 12:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: first grow with eatyu's dubtub tek [Re: glassschuh]
#16406771 - 06/19/12 11:21 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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looks good from here!. im new to this as well, and haven't had the, uhhh, misfortune... of coming across contam, so out side of obvious different colored growth I dont know much. It will start getting more rhizomorphic with age and growth. ive noticed they tend look a little whispy as first, I believe due to many different spore germination sites. Seems especially true when you do lc, and get a good spread of myc.
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Here is day 6 everything is looking a lot stronger and more rhizomorphic... Pretty excited still!


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