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SmallestPutrid
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16366123 - 06/11/12 02:51 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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1. infants cannot survive on a vegan diet, 2. our teeth are designed to tear into flesh.
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Freedom
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I'm not suggesting you made the story up. But the story does seem like a tall tale. Perhaps some one misinterpreted the suregeon. Or maybe it was just a simple telephone game type error.
How could eating meat once after being a vegetarian for 20 years cause the instantaneous formation of gall stones so big they'd rupture the gall bladder? Doesn't make sense.
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sanchothestoner
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: SmallestPutrid]
#16366242 - 06/11/12 03:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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SmallestPutrid said: 1. infants cannot survive on a vegan diet, 2. our teeth are designed to tear into flesh.
Beg to differ, a family I know is vegan and their daughter has been vegan her entire life. She's like 2 and a half years old.
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: Freedom]
#16366384 - 06/11/12 03:54 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Freedom said: I'm not suggesting you made the story up. But the story does seem like a tall tale. Perhaps some one misinterpreted the suregeon. Or maybe it was just a simple telephone game type error.
How could eating meat once after being a vegetarian for 20 years cause the instantaneous formation of gall stones so big they'd rupture the gall bladder? Doesn't make sense.
Took probably four or five hours for him to be experiencing some serious discomfort. I didn't say gallstones formed and caused a rupture, I was only providing evidence that the vegetarian diet has a real and significant effect on the gallbladder.
Call it a tall tale if you want, but I do resent the implication.
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16366440 - 06/11/12 04:06 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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swimmingfast said: Supposedly, our biological make-up has never adapted to eating meat and the fact that this article claims is that we are still, up to this day, naturally and biologically herbivores. What are your thoughts?
This guy is completely full of shit. He is PETA with a lab coat.
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SmallestPutrid
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: sanchothestoner]
#16366452 - 06/11/12 04:09 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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http://naturalhygienesociety.org/diet-veganbaby.html
dha, brain eye development..
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html
blah blah, you wanna talk compassion, i think plants are conscious too
maybe you should starve yourself
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Freedom
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Genghis Chron said:
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Freedom said: I'm not suggesting you made the story up. But the story does seem like a tall tale. Perhaps some one misinterpreted the suregeon. Or maybe it was just a simple telephone game type error.
How could eating meat once after being a vegetarian for 20 years cause the instantaneous formation of gall stones so big they'd rupture the gall bladder? Doesn't make sense.
Took probably four or five hours for him to be experiencing some serious discomfort. I didn't say gallstones formed and caused a rupture, I was only providing evidence that the vegetarian diet has a real and significant effect on the gallbladder.
Call it a tall tale if you want, but I do resent the implication.
If I believed every story I was told my gallblader would explode from contradiction
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: Freedom]
#16366682 - 06/11/12 05:18 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Eat a vegetarian diet then go to a meat based diet. You'll get it very quick IMO.
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: timelapses]
#16366746 - 06/11/12 05:41 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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timelapses said: Eat a vegetarian diet then go to a meat based diet. You'll get it very quick IMO.
This is something I have been noticing while meandering back and forth between diets.
I have a much harder time taking a poop after eating red meat. I have also noticed that my asthma has increased after reintroducing red meat into my diet, something that had seemingly vanished.
Needless to say I'm still an omnivore, I just will very rarely be eating meat. Thanksgiving turkey, you know..
Fish doesn't bother anything at all. Love me some fish.
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Freedom
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: timelapses]
#16367101 - 06/11/12 07:18 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was vegetarian for 2 or 3 years.
Go backpacking for 10 days and when you come back to civilization eat some fatty meat and tell me your body doesn't love it
I eat mostly vegetables and a little meat but its the cheese that gets me every time
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16367347 - 06/11/12 08:04 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16352864#16352864
I posted this a few days ago in the Culinary forum. The Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn diet is ON! This is an experiment to test his claims, not necessarily with a complete set of angiograms, but with a complete lipid panel. This morning I postponed my 6 month cardiology appointment for mid August, and my blood work up for a week earlier so that I have data to share. I have done all kinds of things like vary the amount of Red Yeast Rice (5-7% Statins), plus CoQ10 to replace the loss due to Statins, plus Milk Thistle to detoxify the liver from the Statins - all to reduce LDL Cholesterol. I have taken up to 2 gms of Niacin a day to increase HDL levels. The numbers have been reduced, "better than Mevacor®," according to one of my physicians, but not where I want it to be.
Having eliminated any fats or oils from my diet over the past week has shown me one positive effect. I could never tolerate beans of any kind without an obscene amount of flatulence, even with multiple tabs of Beano®. I am taking one tablet (only a few left), but there is very little gas, no distension, or pain! It would seem that oils/fats slow the digestive process to the extent that colonic fermentation results. I'll be off the Beano® and I'll see if I need the enzyme at all.
I have listed the essential Dos and Donts of the diet. I have some fat cravings at night, which I am sating for the time being with a tablespoon of almond butter. Peanut butter is out of the question (both remain in the fridge). So, when these are gone, I'm going to experiment with 'bean butters' that I'll be able to flavor in any way that seems palatable from sweet to savory. I'll try to make a variety of sandwich speads. We have flours on order because all whole grains are part of the diet. So I plan on making bulgar & oat flour pancakes (maple syrup is acceptable, not butter), corn, and wheat yeast breads. There ate 2 kinds of black bean burgers that I'm going to make and put on whole grain or Ezekiel® bread rolls. I'm actually excited about this experiment, and if the numbers come down as far as they are supposed to, I'll be as amazed as I will be excited! Cardio-vascular disease runs on the maternal side, and I've already read an X-ray report stating a degree of "aortic calcification." I can drink red wine, so giving up cheese and chocolate will be a minor grief. I can get over eggs, fish and fowl (only ate lean ground beef 1-2 times a month for years), as long as there's bread, rices, pastas.
I am doing this for health, but I've always admired ethical vegetarians and vegans. Campbell's The China Study and Esselstyn's Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease, together is a paradigm that is worth experimenting with IMO. If it works, there will be no logic in regressing to the S.A.D. diet in any degree. Animal proteins (Casein is a case in point) may WELL BE a source of cancers in humans. I'll continue to use Olympia® Pea Protein daily, and exercise (cardio, resistance, and Yoga) to maintain stamina, muscle mass, and flexibility. We'll see...
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: sanchothestoner]
#16367786 - 06/11/12 09:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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SmallestPutrid said: 1. infants cannot survive on a vegan diet, 2. our teeth are designed to tear into flesh.
Beg to differ, a family I know is vegan and their daughter has been vegan her entire life. She's like 2 and a half years old.
not allowing your children to consume any animal products should be considered child abuse just as feeding your children fatty food until they develop diabetes should be considered child abuse. my girlfriend grew up with a family who were all vegan. she reckons the kids were very frial and always looked tired.
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sanchothestoner
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: blingbling]
#16367826 - 06/11/12 09:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was actually mistaken, they are vegetarian. My bad
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: sanchothestoner]
#16367840 - 06/11/12 09:42 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: blingbling]
#16371084 - 06/12/12 01:59 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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blingbling said:
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sanchothestoner said:
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SmallestPutrid said: 1. infants cannot survive on a vegan diet, 2. our teeth are designed to tear into flesh.
Beg to differ, a family I know is vegan and their daughter has been vegan her entire life. She's like 2 and a half years old.
not allowing your children to consume any animal products should be considered child abuse just as feeding your children fatty food until they develop diabetes should be considered child abuse. my girlfriend grew up with a family who were all vegan. she reckons the kids were very frial and always looked tired.
Carbs cause diabetes, not fatty foods. Cmon now.
As for child abuse. Vegan parents have been convicted of murder for not feeding their children properly.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/21/opinion/21planck.html?_r=1
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Freedom
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: swimmingfast] 1
#16371228 - 06/12/12 02:31 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Recently evidence was found implicating meat as part of hominid diet a million years than earlier thought:
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100811/full/news.2010.399.html
this article makes the claim that we owe our big brains in part to adding meat to our diet:
www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128849908
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: swimmingfast] 2
#16371316 - 06/12/12 02:48 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think omnivore, herbivore and carnivore can all be 'natural' for humans. Humans, like few other animals, have an ability to consume, survive and thrive off of a variety of food sources. From the tropics to the arctic circle our 'natural' diet spans the spectrum. Usually its some ratio of omnivore, but the others effectively happen occasionally too.
As for the OP, tl;dr
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: Freedom] 1
#16371341 - 06/12/12 02:53 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Baby raised on a vegan diet:
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swimmingfast
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This post is about a vegetarianism, not vegans. There is a difference between the two concepts. This is just a reminder since I've read some posts regarding vegans.
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Re: Vegetarianism, is it natural for humans? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16373814 - 06/12/12 10:54 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Vegans are from Vega.
Vegetarians are from Vegetaria.
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