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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Luueschen]
    #16285224 - 05/25/12 08:41 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Uh.....no. Grow up. masturbation drains your soul.




Why?

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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Memories]
    #16285234 - 05/25/12 08:43 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Luueschen said:
Uh.....no. Grow up. masturbation drains your soul.




Why?




This guy is ridiculous and dramatic, but theres no arguing that it drains your energy.


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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Seanfu] * 1
    #16285243 - 05/25/12 08:45 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Seanfu said:
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Memories said:
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Luueschen said:
Uh.....no. Grow up. masturbation drains your soul.




Why?




This guy is ridiculous and dramatic, but theres no arguing that it drains your energy.




Everything you do drains energy.

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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Memories]
    #16285265 - 05/25/12 08:50 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Memories said:
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Luueschen said:
Uh.....no. Grow up. masturbation drains your soul.




Why?




This guy is ridiculous and dramatic, but theres no arguing that it drains your energy.




Everything you do drains energy.




So yeah obviously sitting on your ass chewing bubblegum, having a huge sexual release, neglectable difference.


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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Seanfu] * 1
    #16285272 - 05/25/12 08:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

So why can't masturbation be spiritual?

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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Seanfu] * 1
    #16285381 - 05/25/12 09:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Luueschen said:
Uh.....no. Grow up. masturbation drains your soul.




after giving you a "little death"




Are you suggesting that masturbating is immature?  Why is channeling one's own sexual energy without the use of a partner, "soul-draining"?  Please spare us with such guilt-ridden drivel.  This same line of reasoning favors the spirit over the flesh.  Would it still be so if you were instead envisioning some Tibetan deity or your chakras aligning or something, rather than just giving a girl (or man) the ol' high hard one?  What if someone masturbated to their significant other they've been in a relationship with for a while? 
Is eating a delicious hot fudge sunday also immature and lacking spirituality?  Why?  Because of the guilt associated with giving into a desire one has?   

I feel way more drained after eating a big plate of food than I do after having a session of wanking.  Aside from your unexplained morality, masturbation is a way of releasing energy.  Orgasm is an important part of life, at least of mine, and I know that if I go without sexual release for an extended period of time, my moods are affected often negatively.

Please "grow up" and consider your own assumptions.


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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: analogkid2112]
    #16285657 - 05/25/12 10:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

how stoned are you? the little death is a french term for orgasm which is a divine experience.

and it drains your energy.


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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Seanfu]
    #16285739 - 05/25/12 10:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Pretty stoned thanks.  :jointsmile:

Energy isn't something that is lost though, only channeled or converted into other forms of energy.  Isn't one's judgement on the channeling of specific energies, exactly that, one's "own" judgement and therefore arbitrary?


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Edited by analogkid2112 (05/25/12 11:00 PM)

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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
    #16286548 - 05/26/12 03:08 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I am out of town on vacation, but promise to post a journal entry of mine from 2009 regarding this upon my return on on the first of June. :cool::thumbup:


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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: analogkid2112]
    #16291110 - 05/27/12 05:43 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Pretty stoned thanks.  :jointsmile:

Energy isn't something that is lost though, only channeled or converted into other forms of energy.  Isn't one's judgement on the channeling of specific energies, exactly that, one's "own" judgement and therefore arbitrary?




Of course it is. Now if you just hold still for a second, I'm just gonna cut you open and channel those sweet ass internal organ energies into dis here freezer. Then I'll head off and get me some fava beans. Yeah, I'll do that. Anyone recommend a good wine to goes with me fava beans?


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: analogkid2112]
    #16291396 - 05/27/12 08:30 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Pretty stoned thanks.  :jointsmile:

Energy isn't something that is lost though, only channeled or converted into other forms of energy.  Isn't one's judgement on the channeling of specific energies, exactly that, one's "own" judgement and therefore arbitrary?




you lose heat energy, you have to eat to absorb energy, you expel energy through working out. but no of ccoarse you dont lose energy, you need to eat because it channels energy into your belly :aweface:


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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Seanfu]
    #16291906 - 05/27/12 11:14 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Seanfu said:
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analogkid2112 said:
Pretty stoned thanks.  :jointsmile:

Energy isn't something that is lost though, only channeled or converted into other forms of energy.  Isn't one's judgement on the channeling of specific energies, exactly that, one's "own" judgement and therefore arbitrary?




you lose heat energy, you have to eat to absorb energy, you expel energy through working out. but no of ccoarse you dont lose energy, you need to eat because it channels energy into your belly :aweface:





You lose a lot more than heat energy. You lose Prana, life energy, qi....We are all born with a certain potential energy. So the story goes :wink:

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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Saint Marcus]
    #16292714 - 05/27/12 10:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Is eating KFC spiritual?


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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Luueschen]
    #16293152 - 05/27/12 11:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Is eating KFC spiritual?




Is being a douchebag contagious?

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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Divitus]
    #16293317 - 05/28/12 12:12 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Of course it is. Now if you just hold still for a second, I'm just gonna cut you open and channel those sweet ass internal organ energies into dis here freezer. Then I'll head off and get me some fava beans. Yeah, I'll do that. Anyone recommend a good wine to goes with me fava beans?




I hear Chianti is nice this time of year. :evil:

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Is eating KFC spiritual?




Is being a douchebag contagious?




Can we use your post as empirical data?  :grin:  :holyshit:


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Edited by analogkid2112 (05/28/12 07:45 AM)

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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: analogkid2112]
    #16294628 - 05/28/12 10:32 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Of course it is. Now if you just hold still for a second, I'm just gonna cut you open and channel those sweet ass internal organ energies into dis here freezer. Then I'll head off and get me some fava beans. Yeah, I'll do that. Anyone recommend a good wine to goes with me fava beans?




I hear Chianti is nice this time of year. :evil:

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Luueschen said:
Is eating KFC spiritual?




Is being a douchebag contagious?




Can we use your post as empirical data?  :grin:  :holyshit:




As long as you admit it.


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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Saint Marcus]
    #16294639 - 05/28/12 10:36 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Pretty stoned thanks.  :jointsmile:

Energy isn't something that is lost though, only channeled or converted into other forms of energy.  Isn't one's judgement on the channeling of specific energies, exactly that, one's "own" judgement and therefore arbitrary?




you lose heat energy, you have to eat to absorb energy, you expel energy through working out. but no of ccoarse you dont lose energy, you need to eat because it channels energy into your belly :aweface:





You lose a lot more than heat energy. You lose Prana, life energy, qi....We are all born with a certain potential energy. So the story goes :wink:




no, after the genius of all geniuses was telling me we dont lose energy I was just explaining that they are wrong on several levels. The scientifically provable physical energy lost is the energy you need to produce sperm after losing them. I wasnt saying heat energy was all.


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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: Seanfu]
    #16295079 - 05/28/12 12:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Seanfu,  I'm calling an end to our little pissing match.  I'm willing to be open-minded as this is an interesting topic I'd like to discuss.  My response was initially directed at Luueschen, as his comment was all hyperbole.

What you are basically saying is that orgasm can be, and has been for you, a highly spiritual experience, though it is a powerful release of specific energies, that can be draining?  Correct?

So then why can't masturbation be a spiritual enterprise?  Is it only a matter of intention, i.e.. getting off thinking about some hot redhead, vs. visualizing some Tibetan bodhisattva?  Obviously orgasm/release can be spiritual, so why would self-directed orgasm not be so?

:shrug:

Edited by analogkid2112 (05/28/12 12:29 PM)

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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: analogkid2112]
    #16354608 - 06/09/12 12:14 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I don't believe it can be spiritual, I've always found it to be self-serving and wasteful by nature. There's nothing wrong with it, but don't try and dress it up as anything other than relieving your bodily desires.


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Re: Can masturbation be spiritual? [Re: DreTheBudWizard]
    #16354745 - 06/09/12 01:08 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe Tantrics say you should not do masturbate. But Taoists say you can masturbate to cultivate sexual/spiritual energy. They call it solo cultivation. Some Taoists say that that is only done if you are advanced and it's not for beginners.

Orgasms can help you grow and cultivate kundalini energy AKA Chi AKA life force. It's spiritual energy. So yes it can be spiritual. But ejaculation is a bit more touchy. Mantak Chia said it's OK to ejaculate sometimes. On the other hand Mantak Chia himself did not ejaculate for some 10 years while making love to his wife. Then when it came time to make a baby, he ejaculated. Though he is a master. But not the best master. As a lot of the really good Taoist practices are very closely guarded secrets.

Hope that helps.

Peace!

Edited by AstralProjectee (06/09/12 01:12 AM)

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