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Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC
    #1633559 - 06/14/03 05:27 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

check it out

Well, it's not so bad, cause I have no sympathy for drug dealers, so I don't mind. I just don't want it to get to the point that they sieze my car cause some bud crumbs are on the floor. Interesting developments.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: Dogomush]
    #1633587 - 06/14/03 05:44 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

drug dealers who steal hydro power get no sympathy from me, they really fuck things up for the rest of us, and the ENVIROMENT.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: Dogomush]
    #1633689 - 06/14/03 06:36 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

what's wrong with drug dealers?


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: ]
    #1633713 - 06/14/03 07:13 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

they steal hydro power, which fucks up our socialist energy system, and drives up power prices, puts more stress on the environment (through a lack of power=we need to build more power facilities), they put our socialist system in danger, and make it easy for fuck-head politicians to force privatization of hydro-power. brah brah brah. cocksuckers.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: Dogomush]
    #1633715 - 06/14/03 07:14 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

i have no sympathy for you. whats wrong with drug-dealers?


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: 1stimer]
    #1633729 - 06/14/03 07:21 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

good for you numbnuts, come to my city, where you have to deal with the political consequences of the actions of greedy drug dealers who steal power from a socialist power institution.

do you know how socialism works? its like a big pot of food, and we all get an equal share, but if some greedy drug dealer comes in and steals a bunch of food just so he/she can make alot of money, that makes the rest of us go hungry.

whats wrong with drugdealers (in the context of this article? they are filthy capitalists.

dont be so simplistic, try to think outside your ideology.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1633797 - 06/14/03 08:04 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I don't have any problem with drug dealers or gamblers, but in order for someone to win somebody else has to lose. It's how the game works.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1633828 - 06/14/03 08:23 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

(Please don't claim to be a socialist
because you like getting cheap energy
from Crown Corporations.

Please don't try to explain socialism
with crude analogies involving pots of
food.)

Aren't you a filthy capitalist, too?



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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: bivalve]
    #1633869 - 06/14/03 08:50 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

bivalve: heres an idea, lets twist peoples statements!

i never said I was a socialist, I said BC Hydro is a socialist institution, because it is, and when drug dealers are stealing power from a socialist institution run by my government, they are stealing from me.

i dont buy their product, which most likely sucks, so in no way does their operation benifit me, all it does is cost me money---indirectly.

and please elaborate as to how I am a filthy capitalist, your whole statement reeks of mediocracy....make a definitive point or dont bother attacking my arguments...ever again.



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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1633881 - 06/14/03 08:57 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Those people import lots of American dollars into the Canadian economy and their product is pretty good.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1633898 - 06/14/03 09:07 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

really, vietnamese drug dealers from surrey make a good product?, oh....what the fuck do I know.......I guess ive been subject to misinformation, sorry, i guess I dont know anything about vancouver marijuana.

but, since you go to surrey and buy weed from vietnamese gang-bangers, Ill trust that you have really good taste in chronic.






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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1633931 - 06/14/03 09:35 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

1. I don't think it's really something to debate.
It's not very hard stuff.

There's nothing really socialist about a corporation
that exists under a capitalist system, is there? Even
crown corporations. They "in no respect affect the
relations between capital and labor, but, at the best,
lessen the cost, and simplify the administrative
work of bourgeois government."

2. People who use the phrase "filthy capitalist"
and say "socialist" a lot, usually think they're
some kind of socialist. (You are a garden variety
radical who calls public corporations "socialist =
you are a reactionary = you are a filthy capitalist.)


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1633970 - 06/14/03 09:48 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I mean no Canadian weed will ever be as good as American weed. What I meant was it's not that bad.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1634075 - 06/14/03 10:39 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

bivalve: There's nothing really socialist about a corporation
that exists under a capitalist system, is there? Even
crown corporations. They "in no respect affect the
relations between capital and labor, but, at the best,
lessen the cost, and simplify the administrative
work of bourgeois government."

mmmmmm, lets see whats on my dissection table today:

1-There's nothing really socialist about a corporation
that exists under a capitalist system

how is canada a purely capitalist system if the government controls/owns large corporations? the answer? canada is a mixture of socialism and capitalism, some industrial firms are private, some are government owned, and the government regulary intervenes in the economy.

2-Even crown corporations. They in no respect affect the
relations between capital and labor.

really, so...you believe that a crown corporation functions in the exact same way as a privately owned corporation? wrong. a private corporation's main interest is profits, a crown-corporation's main interest is serving its owners: the canadian public, which also consequently effects the working conditions of those employed by a crown corporation.

3-simplify the administrative work of bourgeois government.

so let me understand your logic, if the government contains various crown corporations, which means it has way more work to do than a purely capitalist government, it will simplify the work? how so, from my perspective, it complicates the administrative work.

i think you are confusing marxist dogma with canadian capitalist/socialism.

amazingly enough, the two can co-exist.




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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1634295 - 06/15/03 12:51 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Socialism = "Marxist dogma."

"Canadian capitalist/socialism" = what's
left of the welfare state.

The NDP is no more socialist than the
Canadian Alliance.

Capitalism and socialism can't co-exist,
unless your definition of socialism is
universal healthcare and the-only-thing-
you-need-to-survive-is-a-mailbox-ism.
Because I'm not saying, "Yes, a crown
corporation is exactly the same as any
other corporation! And Canada has no
elements of the modern welfare state!"

Crown corporations and poor people getting
cheques in the mail-- that's not just a
friendly gesture. It's not socialist. It's
what you have to do to stop your government
from not being a government anymore.

A long time ago everyone in the world was
really poor for about ten years. And then
there was a war. And after the war everyone
who was really rich and powerful before the
war was rich and powerful again and they
decided that they didn't want to be poor
again. And they read The General Theory
of Employment, Interest Rates and Money

and found out that they needed to nationalize
resources and mail cheques to people. They
thought "the existing state of society,
minus its revolutionary and disintegrating
elements" sounded really good. And there's
nothing very socialist about that. It's
"administrative reforms."

Crown corporations usually don't "simplify
the administrative work of bourgeois
government" anymore. It says: "at the best."
And they suck now and everyone wants to get
rid of them. They, just like all "administrative
reforms," still "in no respect affect the
relations between capital and labor." You
know?


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: bivalve]
    #1634341 - 06/15/03 01:11 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

whoa wait what bivalve is back?


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: zandorf]
    #1634377 - 06/15/03 01:24 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

!evlaviB nabnU


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1634766 - 06/15/03 09:13 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

bh

give it to straight here brotha


what's going on??


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: zandorf]
    #1634884 - 06/15/03 10:53 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

drug dealers are scum. they take advantage of crappy laws to turn a profit for themselves.


Let me relate a story to you. It is called "drug dealers are scum" and it is a tale from the land of high quality pot grow ops.

Y'see I grew up in a pot-growing community. Years ago, there was some drama. Some children of a single mother were molested. The mother wanted to press charges. To do so she needed witnesses so she called on a friendly neighbour who was a friend of the family. However, the child molester had set up this man's watering system for his plants a few years back (the molester is a kind of handyman). So, rather than risk getting ratted on by the molester the witness decided against testifying. There was pressure from other neighbours to not get the case going because nobody wanted the police in the neighbourhood.

The child molester wasn't convicted and went on to molest more children until he was finally arrested and jailed many years later. That's why drug dealers are scum.

And remember that this isn't a white trash trailer dweller story. The characters in this story are people who's lives are rooted in groovy shit like "community consciousness" and "world peace". I'm sure they never thought they had to let an old man fuck little kids so they could get their money. These people are artists and people look up to them... pillars of the community who have decided they don't want to work for money because they've convinced themselves that it's the only way they can avoid contributing to the evil "system."




And why should anybody feel sympathy for drug dealers? They aren't trying to make the world a better place.. they aren't fighting for the liberalization of drug laws, they're just trying to make mad cash right now. If they get caught, then who cares? They knew what they were doing and should pay the consequences. In the ideal world everybody would have an aquarium and a grow-light in their closet, and avoid scummy drug dealers.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: Dogomush]
    #1635034 - 06/15/03 12:26 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't lump all of them together like that. Some drug dealers are good people, though the higher up the chain you go, the more likely you are to fing "Drug lords". I'd rather those didn't exist.

We need more small time growers, and people growing thier own.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: Dogomush]
    #1635065 - 06/15/03 12:48 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

In the ideal world everybody would have an aquarium and a grow-light in their closet, and avoid scummy drug dealers.





Since the world isnt ideal we have to rely on "scum bag" drug dealers.
you are bigoted and ignorant.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: bivalve]
    #1635388 - 06/15/03 03:48 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

bivalve:

this is a ridiculous argument, because you are disregarding the truth for opinion.

crown corporations are a socialist endevour, just because the word "socialist" is used, does not mean it refers to marxist/leninist dogma. Socialism has evolved over time, and can now be seperated from its theoretical roots. Heres an example:

once upon a time there was a country named china, there was a revolution in this country lead by a man named mao zedong, who was adhered, almost religiously to leninist philosophy, and consequently, that is how china's economic political system was managed. But....over time, things change, it came apparent that strict leninist-style politics wasnt working, so instead of being fully communist, china started to become more capitalist, and then we arrive at the 21st century, where china's economy is now reffered to as market socialism. In china's current state, their is no intention of reverting back to full-scale communism, thusly---they have transcended marxist dogma.

so, the moral of this story is that, all things evolve, and just because a government has socialist elements, does not mean they adhere to marxist dogma. Modern day socialism comes in many forms, and it is rooted in the idea of government controlling aspects of the economy. And yes, socialism and capitalism can obviously co-exist, to say that they cant is ignorant.

ex- the scandinavian welfare state/social democracy


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1635390 - 06/15/03 03:49 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

1stimer: so are you anti-drug laws or pro-drug dealer? you cant really reconcile the two beliefs.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1635401 - 06/15/03 03:56 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

so what your saying is that you don't like people who grow weed because they use up too much electricity doing it?

also: is electricity free in your area? if not, it's not socialism. if it is free, then it is socialism, and what you're bitching about is one of the faults of a shitty system.

i'd be interested to see the percentage of electricity in your area that goes towards marijuana cultivation.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1635405 - 06/15/03 03:59 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Yes you can.


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    #1635423 - 06/15/03 04:03 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

also: is electricity free in your area? if not, it's not socialism. if it is free, then it's socialism, and what you're bitching about is one of the faults of a shitty system.




Nothing is free. Not even in a socialist system. At some point someone has put time and energy into whatever product you are recieving.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: z@z.com]
    #1635436 - 06/15/03 04:09 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

i understand that. what i mean is does he pay for it with his taxes or a bill based on how much he uses.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1635542 - 06/15/03 04:51 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

You wouldn't call a steak a "cow," right?
"A steak and a cow are made of the same
things, though! A cow becomes a steak!"
But they're really two completely different
things. "But! They're--" Yes, okay, go
ahead and call it a "cow," even if it's
not really a cow.

Call anything you want "socialist." But
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    #1635544 - 06/15/03 04:52 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I know that you know that, but some people here seem to think that you can get stuff for free. I was simply pointing out (once again) that this is not the case.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: ]
    #1635552 - 06/15/03 04:55 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Since the world isnt ideal we have to rely on "scum bag" drug dealers.
you are bigoted and ignorant.


Ignorant about what? Drug dealers? In the fall I could go walking in the woods and collect thousands of pounds of marijuana in an hour with no prior scouting missions to find the plantations. I live among them, so uh how could I possibly be ignorant?

Bigoted? What I like is that you just throw out these titles aimed at discrediting me without adressing any of my points. Looks like you're trying to convince yourself that I'm a jerk and you're in the right.. probably because you sell pot.

It's funny how people who are into drugs blindly get behind their suppliers and worship them. I guess it's the same when a stupid athlete worships Nike and wears the swoosh all over themselves.

As for the world being ideal.. you're right it's not, but that doesn't mean we can't supply ourselves with our own drugs. Or at least when we buy drugs from people, we shouldn't lie to ourselves. We should be realistic about where our pot is coming from. Pot growers are untrusting, suspicious, paranoid people who will do whatever it takes to get their crop in (as I demonstrated with my story who's point you ignored). They are not heroic robin hoods as some like to believe.

Anyway, have fun lying to yourself, you ignorant fool.


mushmaster...

you didn't read the article did you? Yes the bill is based on how much electricity you use, but that's not his problem. His problem is that these growers in the article had found a way to steal electricity from the system without getting charged for it. That's his issue.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: Dogomush]
    #1635587 - 06/15/03 05:10 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I don't mind drug dealers, but I don't care for thieves.


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    #1635595 - 06/15/03 05:13 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: ]
    #1635874 - 06/15/03 08:46 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

mushmaster: also: is electricity free in your area? if not, it's not socialism. if it is free, then it's socialism, and what you're bitching about is one of the faults of a shitty system.

hahahaha, yeah, things are "free" in socialism, okay, are you on summer break from junior high?

a statement like that indicates that you dont know shit, read a book. You have a very demented perspective on what socialism is, i dont even want to say this again...but like i said: a government can have socialist aspects as well as capitalist aspects, that is a fact that is demonstrated in many current governments: denmark, canada, china ETC ETC ETC.


bivalve: "Call anything you want "socialist." But
you're still an enemy of the working
class."

-you dont know anything about modern politics, all you are doing is citing archaic communist theory.

come up with something intelligable, or this will be my last post on this thread.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: Dogomush]
    #1635991 - 06/15/03 09:32 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Drug dealers bring in lots of money to the province which comes from the U.S. And it is the Vietnamese who are doing a large part of the operations. Grow ops have been a great resource and I am glad we have them. The violence that comes from the gow ops stays within the drug dealers anyways,I can think of a lot of worse things then stealing power.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1636154 - 06/15/03 10:28 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

you need to cool off a bit because you're getting a little personal there funksoldier.

maybe you are so defensive because you just realized the ridiculousness of the prospect that marijuana cultivation is causing a serious drain on BC's energy supply and is a major contributing factor in the construction of more environmentally-unfriendly dams. no?

maybe instead of saying, "you don't know shit, read a book", you'd do me a favor explain to me how electricity is produced and distributed in your area, and the definition of 'socialism' as you understand it. while your at it, can we have a rough estimate of the percentage of BC's energy supply that goes into producing marijuana?

P.S. i have no sympathy for theives (or child molesters, dogomush). i've got no problem with drug dealers.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: ]
    #1636266 - 06/15/03 11:43 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

okokokok. no worries.

my point was, socialism is malleable, the insults were added for stylistic purposes, it wasnt really a personal attack.

sirtripsalot: are you sure that you know enough about gang economics to say that the profits they make go back into our economy. im quite sure alot of the money gets filtered back to vietnam, at least, thats what a vietnamese friend of mine says, but it could be different for different gangs.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1636562 - 06/16/03 02:19 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Out of the Vancouver Sun:

B.C. -- A POT-FRIENDLY, POT-PROFITABLE PROVINCE

News flash: A new poll has found British Columbia is the most pot-friendly province in Canada.

This will come as no surprise to anyone who remembers the flower-power era of the 1960s, when Vancouver was the Canadian equivalent of hippie mecca San Francisco. Out of the haze of the Easter Be-Ins and psychedelic music scene emerged a B.C. pot culture that has only grown en stronger over the years.

Pot has become an entrenched part of the provincial economy. Depending on who you talk to, growing marijuana is a $1-billion to $8-billion business in British Columbia. Some argue it contributes more to the economy than forestry.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #1636577 - 06/16/03 02:30 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

thats awesome, good stuff. except for the fact that drugdealers dont get taxed and dont pay for their power, and most the money is funnelled to places outside of BC.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1636656 - 06/16/03 03:45 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

where do you find that?
These people are buying 5 houses in a row in one caul-de-sac. Driving expensive cars and buying all the expensive clothing and luxeries they want which helps these various businesses(which do tax). I really think the power stealing you think is going on you are blowing way out of proportion, the worst I have heard is the fire risk and occasisional blackouts that may occur.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #1637345 - 06/16/03 12:28 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Energy drain isn't the problem...
And im sure if they could consume that much and pay for it without looking suspiscious...they would. :laugh:

But you have "good" dealers...and "bad". some will sell anything for anyprice to get some cash, and others distribute it for free smokage and to spread it among those who want to smoke it....you cant generalise.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1637383 - 06/16/03 12:44 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

And the award for dip shit of the year goes to.

Atomicfunksoldier

Pick and chose your battles wise man. The pennies that these people stole in power cant possibly compare to the revenue brought in by their operation.

Not to mention the fact that THEYRE GROWING POT YOUR FUCKING MORON....

Again, the benefits outweigh the cost.


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Re: Canadian pigs sieze grow-op home for first time in BC [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1637387 - 06/16/03 12:48 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Hell any neighboors want my power?!..i'll pay the bill for pot... :smile:
Damn that would be nice!


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