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Moth Mullein (Verbascum blattaria)
    #7313621 - 08/20/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I thought the other ethno-hippies around here might be interested in this recent find. :hippie:

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I haven't long been a member of this forum but most of you should realize by now that I am not some kind of joker. I am not one to attempt a hoax and I don't like people who do such things. What you are about to read is the truth as I perceive it. Everyone is different and every plant of the same species has differing concentrations of chemicals (i.e. varying potency). That said, you NEED to read further.

There is a plant called "moth mullein". Its scientific name is Verbascum blattaria. The particular plant that I have experienced is Verbascum blattaria v. erubescens. It is the white-flowered version of moth mullein (which is generally yellow-flowered). You should be able to find quite a bit of info on the net if you search using the info that I just gave you. Where some of you live, this may be a common plant. It is present but not extremely common here in WV. I found my plant growing through a bed of gravel in an unkempt parking lot behind the crisis unit where I work. It was the only plant of its type in the vacinity (searching for more plants in the immediate area was fruitless). I don't have a digital camera so I don't have pics of this particular plant. I will post pictures of this species (pics from the net) immediately following this post. I will also post pictures of the more common yellow version. Just so you know, I am not talking about "common mullein" which is of the same genus but is a diferent species and looks nothing like the plant in question. If you research "common mullein", you will find that it was sometimes traditionally smoked in order to alleviate bronchial problems. Some sites say that it has a sedative effect but further psychoactivity is not associated with this plant. Again, I am NOT talking about "common mullein" in this post but "moth mullein". I have never experienced "common mullein" and am unaware of its effects. Now for the interesting stuff...

I noticed this unusual plant behind where I work. What made me interested in this plant was that there are tiny hairs all over it with beads of resin attached to the hairs. The look (of the hairs/resin) was similar to another famous herb that we all know and love. This peaked my interest and I picked off some plant-tops (small concentrated leaves at the top of the flowering stalks--looked a lot like small buds from the other famous herb). I crushed some of the larger leaves at the plant's base and noticed a musky odor that was not unpleasant. This further interested me. I searched online wildflower databases for a couple days in order to identify the plant. After successfully identifying the plant and searching for it at wikipedia, I learned that some mulleins are the "active ingredient in many alternative smoking blends". I reseached smoking mullein on the net and found info on smoking "common mullein" but no info on moth mullein. The info that I found on smoking "common mullein" pretty much consisted of its use as a bronchiodialator and a quit-smoking aid. No psychoactive effects beyond sedation were mentioned for "common mullein". Out of curiousity, I decided to smoke the plants tops of the moth mullein that I had picked earlier.

The plant tops were only about half dry and amounted to approx. 1/2 gram of weight. I put them in my trusty pipe and puffed away noticing the interesting and somewhat pleasant flavor of the smoke. Mild effects were felt within a couple of minutes and they intensified to a low-grade buzz similar to our favorite herb. [I just want to mention right here and now that, like you, I am tired of people who claim that certain various legal substances provide a "*edit*-like buzz". So when I say that the buzz that I got from the moth mullein was similar, I say that with actual sincerity--in other words, the feeling was almost indistinguishable from *edit*] As I sat in my office and experienced the buzz that the plant provided, I actually forgot that I hadn't smoked *edit*. I even laughed loudly once as I remembered that I had not smoked *edit*. My interest was definitely high after this experience. I immediately picked some more plant tops and some larger leaves from the bottom of the plant as well as some flowers and flower buds. I took them home to experiment further which is when things got very interesting.

At home, I did not dry the plant material (just out of impatience). I packed a full (standard-sized) bowl of small leaves, plant tops, a flower and a couple small flower buds. All this material had small resinous hairs. I smoked the entire bowl with only a little difficulty despite the wetness of the material. The flavor was interesting and not so bad. I'm sure that properly curing the material would have improved the flavor greatly. By the end of the bowl I was extremely stoned. Yes, you read that correctly. I was EXTREMELY stoned. I did not get a "mild *edit*-like buzz". I got smizashed. The feeling was very similar to *edit* and again, I forgot that I hadn't smoked *edit*. There were some differences though. First, motor coordination was effected with this new substance which rarely happens with *edit*. Secondly, my joints felt "floppy" and loose--very relaxed, in other words. Third, the "zone out" factor was higher with this new plant than with *edit*. I remember staring for a long time at the wall and finding it very interesting. Also, there is a slight visual enhancement with this new plant that isn't there with *edit*. There were no tracers or neon-colored outlines like you might find with stronger substances but there was a "trippy" character to my vision with colors and shades appearing more vibrant than usual.

The stongest effects lasted for an hour or so. I felt kind of hung over for a couple of hours afterward. I should also note that it made my eyes red as with *edit*. You could say that this could have been due to some *edit* resin in the pipe but really I keep my smoking implement very clean and resin-free.

Here is a little "preliminary" FAQ that will probably answer some questions for you.

Q: Why did you post this with such urgency?
A: It's because there are people out there who are smoking all sorts of things like wild dagga and the such in order to attain some kind of "mild *edit*-like buzz" when there is this plant which seems to provide an experience that is on par with *edit*. Also, I think it is important to bring this new plant to light because i could not find any info on the psychoactivity of this plant.

Q: Could this be a legal alternative to *edit*?
A: The experience is not exactly the same but maybe it could be an "alternative". The experience is definitely on par with *edit*.

Q: Could I orally ingest the plant material to achieve similar effects?
A: At this point, I have no idea.

Q: Could I quid the material?
A: I have no idea.

Q: What is the active principle in the plant material?
A: I have no idea but I intend to try an alkaloid extraction as well as a diterpene extraction when I can get some more plant material. This might be a while because I only know of one plant and I refuse to destroy it. If this is a common plant in your area, then PLEASE attempt to do alkaloid/diterpene extractions so we can know sooner!!!

Q: Could I grow this plant at home?
A: According to my research, the plant can be grown in a lot of conditions and I will atempt to grow some plants of my own. There are several seed pods on the plant that I am familiar with. They are not yet mature but when they are, I will certainly get some seeds.

Q: Can you send me some seeds?
A: According to my research, each seed pod contains hundreds of seeds so chances are that I will have some excess seeds. We'll just have to see how it all works out though. It's just too soon to know whether or not I will be able to send people seeds. If I am able to send seeds, though, I will do it for free of course. However, it would probably be easier to get seeds off of someone who lives in an area where this plant is more common.

Q: So what does the plant look like?
A: I'm getting to that! See my next post, dumbass.

Q: You've only tried this stuff a couple of times so what makes you so sure of its strength and quality of experience?
A: Fact is, I'm NOT completely sure but I decided to post my experience in order to get the information out there so that others could judge the plant too. I guess it's possible that I found a freaky strain of this plant that somehow gets you high as hell but I don't think so. YOU be the judge.

In closing, I just want to apologize for the length of this post but I really thought that it was necessary. I would never urge people to try something that was "bunk". I have tried almost every legal "alternative" smoke that there is and have never achieved anything even close to the effects that I have gotten from moth mullein.

My next post will be pics of Verbascum blattaria or "moth mullein".




Very interesting indeed
I was wondering if anyone has any information about the ehtnobotanical uses of this plant.

I'm going to venture into a nearby forest in hopes of finding this plant. Wish me luck.  :rastamon:

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Re: Moth Mullein (Verbascum blattaria) [Re: kybish]
    #7313791 - 08/20/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Well this kicks ass...The only thing I'm concerned about is it having negitive long term effects...We need to figure out what the active chemicals are...


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Re: Moth Mullein (Verbascum blattaria) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7314007 - 08/20/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yea, I can't find them anywhere..

If you read the thread from the source, the poster has updated findings with the V. blattaria


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Re: Moth Mullein (Verbascum blattaria) [Re: jasonpwnd]
    #10121274 - 04/07/09 03:27 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Hi, *wipes away thread necromancy*

What a lovely plant! Saw a piccy of it on wikipedia, really delicate petals.

Is it native to north america? I wonder how feasable or what effect on the enviroment growing it in blighty would have.


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Re: Moth Mullein (Verbascum blattaria) [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #10122206 - 04/07/09 09:57 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I know easter is close, but that doesn't mean we need to resurrect threads lol.

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Re: Moth Mullein (Verbascum blattaria) [Re: ethnoguy]
    #10122420 - 04/07/09 10:40 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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ethnoguy said:
I know easter is close, but that doesn't mean we need to resurrect threads lol.

EG




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Re: Moth Mullein (Verbascum blattaria) [Re: ethnoguy]
    #10122465 - 04/07/09 10:49 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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ethnoguy said:
I know easter is close, but that doesn't mean we need to resurrect threads lol.

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Re: Moth Mullein (Verbascum blattaria) [Re: kybish]
    #16325492 - 06/03/12 08:08 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I just recently found this post thanks to looking up the particular wildflower that I am now sad to say that I gave 37 plants away.  I have smoked it as well and gotten a buzz off of it as well.  If you are still looking for it you can do a search and purchase them online.  The plant likes to grow in rocky debris filled soil in full sunlight.  It also has been used for years for bronchial related issues chest colds and asthma. This also has shown in lab studies strong anti inflammatory properties when smoked. Along with a tea and ointments for other various ailments.  Anyway Thank You Good Sir for having tried smoking it and I am now doing the same and I have noticed a buzz as well as reduced pain in my knees due to arthritis.

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Re: Moth Mullein (Verbascum blattaria) [Re: kingtut8206]
    #16335323 - 06/05/12 10:21 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I'm familiar with the yellow version.

What local natives used as a stupefying fish poison, Trader Joe's uses as a box of expensive tea.

Is the anti-inflammatory effect indirect, resulting from it being a vaso and broncho dilator?

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