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reductionism/materialism and mushroom trips.
    #1633436 - 06/14/03 06:10 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

people like to either reduce the trip to a mere biological function or elevate it to a super- human 'godly' transcendent experience that is beyond understanding.

why all the black and white? isn't it likely that the truth lies in the middle?


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Re: reductionism/materialism and mushroom trips. [Re: Malachi]
    #1633441 - 06/14/03 06:12 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

well, apparently there the exact same question posted..... serves me right for not reading through the other posts...


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Re: reductionism/materialism and mushroom trips. [Re: Malachi]
    #1633465 - 06/14/03 06:23 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Malachi: well, apparently there the exact same question posted..... serves me right for not reading through the other posts...

Hmmm.... maybe you should slow down when reading (versus the quick scanning method)....


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Re: reductionism/materialism and mushroom trips. [Re: Sclorch]
    #1633486 - 06/14/03 06:37 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, that's the truth. talking, reading, typing, all too fast = lost of vital details.


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Re: reductionism/materialism and mushroom trips. [Re: Malachi]
    #1633650 - 06/14/03 08:10 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I heard you...

the goodies always seem to be somewhere that you can't put your finger on.


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Re: reductionism/materialism and mushroom trips. [Re: Malachi]
    #1634329 - 06/15/03 03:06 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

why all the black and white? isn't it likely that the truth lies in the middle?




Hmm....why do you think this? Just because there are two extremes doesn't mean that the 'truth' will be in the middle. I think it is much more likely that the mind is either totally material or totally non-material. Tripping is an extreme experience, which is why 'extreme' ideas come out of it! It would be rather boring during a trip to be satisfied with being in the middle with everything, don't you think?


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Re: reductionism/materialism and mushroom trips. [Re: zee_werp]
    #1634488 - 06/15/03 04:19 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

zee_werp: Hmm....why do you think this? Just because there are two extremes doesn't mean that the 'truth' will be in the middle.

It's an Aristotelian thing... you wouldn't understand.
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Re: reductionism/materialism and mushroom trips. [Re: Sclorch]
    #1634673 - 06/15/03 09:22 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I dunno really

It seems like one extreme is really 'wanting' to be somewhere
and the other extreme is denial that there is anywheres to be...

So maybe the middle is actually being there.

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