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Offlinelucid
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Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself ?
    #1629267 - 06/12/03 05:52 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Just wondering about this today.
If u think u may be right... or to put it another way, say u simply
think X to be "the way to go", are u being ego-centric ? are u being
stubborn and closed minded ?
i've often heard the phrase "follow your heart"... but that's the same
as thinking X to be OK and doing it...
Taking the example of the Parable of Adam & Eve, one could say
that Adam followed his heart, he trusted himself, after all we always
try to make the "right" choice (no one "chooses" something wrong
knowingly). I guess one could argue that Adam was "tempted"
and knowingly wronged, but then it appears that God is quite an
unforgiving and merciless entity whos just waiting for his own
creation to make a "mistake" (of which there are apparently plenty)
to eternally damn them...
This is tricky since it brings up all sorts of issues about "right", "wrong",
"choice" etc... but hey, that's why this is the S&P forum :wink:
I guess the question is how can one trust oneself ? how can one
*know* that they are doing "the right thing" ? it seems impossible... 


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Re: Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself ? [Re: lucid]
    #1629353 - 06/12/03 06:34 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

This all flows nicely with a paper I wrote on true selfishness being true selflesness.
So my definition of a rooted true "ego centric" would be the point.  To truely know your ego you will learn thru it and choose :cool: choice rules..

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Taking the example of the Parable of Adam & Eve, one could say
that Adam followed his heart, he trusted himself, after all we always
try to make the "right" choice (no one "chooses" something wrong
knowingly). I guess one could argue that Adam was "tempted"
and knowingly wronged, but then it appears that God is quite an
unforgiving and merciless entity whos just waiting for his own
creation to make a "mistake"




We have written a program saying we always try and choose what is right.
And at the core of understanding I agree.. yet this ego(pride by numbers morning sky
~looks so phony :cool:
Lets say Adam followed what he knew as a one..a conscious subjective mind, with a shaping mind grasping with hope and wonder, constantly on the verge of choice.
He knows is the source yet it is not written, it is understanding without answers.
Part of him knows not to eat it, part of him knows(or grasps to know in void) to eat it.
choicechoicechoice...
And so it begins.
knowledge, experience-learn-understand..... to Know?
was adams choice selfesh?
or selfless?
 
The greatest thing I ever said is I dont know..or was it what came after? 


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Re: Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself ? [Re: shaggy101]
    #1629514 - 06/12/03 07:48 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself?

Yes, but that's why we have this wonderful tool called DOUBT.
Use it liberally.


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Re: Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself ? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1629539 - 06/12/03 07:56 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

>Yes, but that's why we have this wonderful tool called DOUBT.
>Use it liberally.
hmmm... I doubt that's such a good idea :grin:


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Re: Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself ? [Re: lucid]
    #1629742 - 06/12/03 09:18 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, Genesis was just a story, but a culturally important and maybe even archetypal one.
The way I have always read it is that the tree was a test- and Adam and Eve
passed the test. They chose free will and sentience and change ( and all the suffering and malice that comes with that ) over a static eternity in blissed-out obedience as God's pets.

God told them the fruit would kill them, Satan told them it would give them knowlege. Satan is always described as a liar, however, in this case he was the one who was telling the truth. The Lucifer-Prometheus parallel is interesting.

To answer your question though, it's OK to think you're right. What's bad is when you feel like you know that everyone else is wrong, and that you're better than they are because of it.


Edited by Xibalba (06/12/03 09:18 PM)


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Re: Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself ? [Re: Xibalba]
    #1629952 - 06/12/03 10:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

What's bad is when you feel like you know that everyone else is wrong, and that you're better than they are because of it.

Even if it is true? :wink:
 


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Re: Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself ? [Re: Xibalba]
    #1629957 - 06/12/03 10:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Xibalba... that was beautiful... I love u ! ehm, in a completely platonic sense of course :smile:
Interesting, I don't do psychadelics (but I meditate, ponder and think - unfortunately too much fo the latter), but I ca really relate to all the people on this
forum... it's home... it's family... :smile:
anyhoos I'm wasted tonight so u'll have to put up with at least a bit of
efulsome sappiness from me :wink: 


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Re: Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself ? [Re: lucid]
    #1629974 - 06/12/03 10:54 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Swami... u too... u da man... a bastion of reason, for when our basic common
sense and logic break down due to prejudice, dogma, beliefs instilled by
fear since childhood and general social programming...
I'm a computer program trying desperately to make some sense of itself
and the environment I'm in... trying hard to grasp how I work and why
I work that way. To ease the pain and make my life more bearable....
I am faced with overwhelming choices each day, and every proponent
tells me that their way is best... and I seek... endlessly... hopefully, till
the fatigue sets in, and I can only hope that I'm doing the right thing....


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Re: Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself ? [Re: lucid]
    #1630349 - 06/13/03 02:13 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

eat the x.


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Re: Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself ? [Re: Malachi]
    #1630376 - 06/13/03 02:24 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I have pondered this for years...

I think trusting yourself is as necessary as food and water.
The communication with yourself has to be open and free flowing. Perhaps you have to believe you are the same "force" you were yesterday?
You can't shout, You can't lie.
You have to look yourself in the eyes.

It sucks that we can be such strangers to ourselves though, seems dangerous to hand out trust. So... get to know yourself, and how you react to life around you... and eventually you may earn your trust.


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Re: Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself ? [Re: Swami]
    #1630471 - 06/13/03 03:14 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

True according to whom? Here we go with objective reality again.






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Re: Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself ? [Re: SoulTech]
    #1630560 - 06/13/03 04:00 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

SoulTech: True according to whom? Here we go with objective reality again.

Function Function Function
If it works... it works.


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Re: Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself ? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1630579 - 06/13/03 04:12 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

to listen to anything but your heart, would be foolish. it is hard to tell the difference between the heart and the ego. i found the ego usually tells you what you want to hear, and the heart tells you what you know damn well should be done.

example: if there is a such thing as god, give a sign. at that moment, a bird swoops down infront of you and you say FUCK YOU BIRD! you can either listen to your heart and realize it was a simple sign. or you can listen to your ego and just bitch at the stupid ass bird. i mean you JUST asked, and then the bird swoops, there are no coincidences.(thought many would disagree, too bad)


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Re: Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself ? [Re: SoulTech]
    #1630958 - 06/13/03 11:20 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

What's bad is when you feel like you know that everyone else is wrong, and that you're better than they are because of it.

Even if it is true?

True according to whom? Here we go with objective reality again.

I am talking about piercing keen scientific minds like Newton, Copernicus, Galileo, Da Vinci, Einstein...etc. While they all made mistakes, they also had great insight. Were they ego-centric when they were right and the rest of the world wrong?



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Re: Is it Ego-Centric to Trust Oneself ? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1632967 - 06/14/03 12:47 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Doubt and skepticizm is natural, today we need this, there just too many people out there to trick people, but that also is a good lesson in trusting ones self too.

Im back guys, i went on the "journey" which i thought at first had something to do with something that was going to happen in society, but it was actually a self-journey. I had to become aware of my 3 mexican boys trying to jump me, my 3 wolfs (hehe, all in my dreams). Basically i need to become aware of my problems, which in turn when i got back i found out that it was the key symbolizm in my dreams i couldn't undertstand.


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