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Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church.
    #16291076 - 05/27/12 05:23 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

It must be hard on a christian person when they know that all their heathen relatives are going to hell. I only have one grandparent left and every time I see her she asks me if I've found a church to attend where I live. I don't have the heart to tell her that I'm not a believer, but she probably knows. She always seems sad when I'm around.

Actually, since grandpa died a few years ago she's been perpetually sad anyway. I have to say... I'm not looking forward to that stage of life. I mean, growing older by itself doesn't sound so bad, but getting OLD is kind of scary if you know what I mean.

so so sad :sad:

:cheers: to growing old and dying.


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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: Amoeboid]
    #16291127 - 05/27/12 06:01 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, it's crazy...we all make fun of older folks when we're young (I'm sure they did it too), but one day, if we're lucky, we'll be old too.


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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: Niffla]
    #16291226 - 05/27/12 07:15 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Well your Grandma isn't all that wrong. But trust me the last thing on her mind is whether or not your going to hell.

I no longer believe there is such a thing as chance and that we are indeed facing a more unbelievable reality then we CAN think, so im going to tell you a little story, true story.


When I was younger I used to live with my Grandmother from about 13-17 she died when I was 17. My Grandfather died when I was about 6, I didn't find out till about 2 years ago from my aunt that he had actually killed himself I'm 22 now, he shot himself in the heart. My grandmother was always a strong woman but I know that this affected her in a lot of ways all the way up until she died.

Anyways I used to visit her when I was younger and she was always like more of a mother to me than my real mother. My parents got a divorce when I had  turned 13 so me, my sister, and my father went to live with my grandmother.

I had made friends around the area at that point so between that time I had the same group of friends I used to hang out with, as I got older I started spending more time with my friends, I started to really dislike school, and just generally was starting to see the world for what it was.

At 16 I was introduced to weed from there, cigarettes, beer, ect.

Getting to my point, I remember that my Grandma used to always read the Bible, I knew she was a southern Baptist but I really never knew much about the Bible other than hearing particular stories my mother was raised a Catholic (Shes since turned away from Catholicism she's now just a plain ole Christian) so she used to read occasionally to me and my sister, my Grandma is one of the people that generally keeps to herself. But that's was about the only contact I had, so no real Bible upbringing, I had probably read a bible a handful of times breifly.

I remember this one time that I will never forget, when I came inside late from smoking with my friends, and I just decided to go into my Grandma's room and talk with her cause at the time I wasn't spending much time with her, and I remember her telling me how she didn't want me ending up like my dad, and other things that were on her mind, and she had said something about the Bible and I just said,

"Grandma that's just stories, its a book to just help people how to live" or something along those lines.

I felt bad about that then but I had no idea what it really meant for my life.

About 2 months later and my Grandma got sick,(she had heart problems and high blood pressure since the 80's)she ended up going into like recovery type thing, sort of like a post hospital care, and she seemed to be doing fine in that, but one day my uncle came to our house were we had just started staying and told me that my Grandma had just had a heart attack. She died that same day, i'll spare you the details but it affected me in a way that changed my life just from how she went, she went peacefully though. It was just so shockingly sudden, nobody expected it. And my Grandma was like the only thing keeping the whole family together really.


So fast forward about 3 years, I had become good friends with one of my step brothers friends, we used to all hang out together, chill, smoke weed and do drugs, him and my step brother kind of stopped being freinds, but me and him became good friends I'm 2 years older than him me and my step brother was who introduced him to weed and then we did other drugs together mostly a drug called DXM Dextromethorphan which is sort of like Ketamine.

So after about 2 years of life, we end up kind of drifting a part for a little while and then we started hanging out again. At that time he had met this friend at school, there was something odd about him but I just couldn't put my finger on it, he just gave me weird vibes in general but you know I try to always look past that.

So this particular night they had stole Triple C's from the store, which is one of the more powerful medicines that contains DXM, normally you take one sheet which is 16 capsules, I think it comes out to a little over 300mg if I remember right. At this point I was pretty experienced with it I estimate I had tripped on it about 20-30 times at this point, over a course of like a year so I had some pretty crazy experiences but nothing that came close to this night.

We were smoking and I didn't really feel like doing it because, its a pretty intense trip and once you take it your tripping till like the next morning. I just didn't want to deal with it I felt like just relaxing, but my friend was insisting that I take it, finally he said these words that I'll never forget, hes like "its your destiny", and he said it just playing around and I kind of laughed and was like destiny huh, and just took and swallowed the handful he had which which was about 2 sheets.

So I about 20-30 minutes later were all sitting there, them having a conversation, and I was just kind of listening and it had something to do with life, and basically God, and I was at the point where I was just about to start tripping. I had said something and they just kind of laughed about it, and I kind of just shrugged it off and was like whatever because they didn't really want to hear whatever it was, so I started just kind of thinking to myself deeply, and I started thinking about some of the painful things that happened to me in my life, and how my Grandma was like the only real love I ever had, and as im thinking about all this, this went on for about 10-15 minutes I hadn't even noticed that they stopped talking. So all of a sudden I start feeling this intense like feeling of anger, out of nowhere, and I start feeling like a burning sensation all over my skin, It literally felt like fire. And im sitting back in the chair and my eyes are closed, and it was like at that moment I realized something. That the feeling was not coming from myself. And all of sudden I opened my eyes and I see the kid sitting across from me, shaking, looking at me with the most intense look of anger and hatred I have ever seen, and I was looking at him and it was like, all time had stopped and I was not scared at all. I was looking at the room and it was like I could see the vibration of the objects in the room, it looked sort of like when you look at the road and you see the distortion, except within it was all these multicolored lights. And it felt like the room was closing in, and im looking at this kid and I can see his face but all of sudden it was like I could see this holographic overlay that looked like some kind of demonic bull creature, and it was just looking at me smiling with the most menacing look, and I looked over at my friend and his girlfriend and they were like making out or something but I could see like them laughing at me like hysterically. Then all of sudden I got the feeling to just leave the room, and I stood up and I said aloud, word for word, Fuck this divine comedy. And as I started walking out the room its like I could see this creature turning as I was looking it down as I was leaving the room, but the kid had not changed his position at all, because I think he was shocked, and as Im walking I feel like I was about to collapse and I was pushing myself to just make it outside, and I got outside and it was like I could barely breath, and I just kept thinking to myself what just happened, I was totally, absolutely, astonished.

So this was the first point during the whole previous couple minutes that I had any fear at all. And It was like I felt like a child again, you know when your like REALLY scared im talking ghost white pale? Thats how I felt and it was like I instinctively just slunk down into a meditative position, and I never have even been compelled to do anything like that, I've never meditated in my life, at least setting myself out to do it I mean. And I started seeing all these symbols and blue flames, like a gigantic tree with these branches that came out to bulbs, that actually looked like mushrooms. And this is when I became very calm, and it was like I really felt like I knew who was there comforting me and seeing the whole thing, it was GOD.

So I get up and I walk back in the house and at this point I have a smile on my face because I know that whatever that was, it could not hurt me. And I never did go back in the room I laid on my friends couch. And when I thought the experience was for the most part over I was wrong because it didn't even begin. I started sitting there just thinking about what had just happened and it was like I wanted to really know what was really going on, and all of sudden it was like my arms and legs shot out, looked exactly like being crucified, and I saw Jesus, not only did I see him but I could feel exactly what he did and why, and I came to understand how he literally is the Son of God.

I saw myself being taken up on a hill being crucified and I saw all these people some were straight faced, some were laughing, some were angry. There was people I had knew, there was people I never seen. And let me just tell you that while this was going on, what I then understood exactly what that creature was, it was demonic spirit. My friend, his girlfriend, and the kid had went into the other room, they didn't know where I went and didn't even ask, but as this was all going on I could hear the kid in the other room like making these terrible noises, like growling and saying my name, and the spirit said COME DOWN! And I could see like things inside the house disappear and reappear, and at the peak of the trip it was like I had asked what should be don't about him and it was like a light just came on in my head and a voice said, he must be saved, and that was the first time I had ever heard that word. And as soon as that happened it was like I took a gigantic inhalation, and breathed out and all the cable boxes in the house shut off and the same time. Non of the TV's were on but the one they were watching in the other room but I could hear them all go off at the same time, since all the rooms were close together.

From there I just remember it tapering off and I just wanted to go to bed,

I'm skipping a lot of information just for the sake of the story, but moral of this is, never underestimate what you do not know, assume anything, don't take anything for granted, AND ALWAYS HAVE FAITH. I have changed a lot since this happened, I've had a lot of other crazy experiences, I've don't a lot of research into what the government's of the world are doing, the technology their dabbling in the spiritual realm, ancient civilizations, Bible, since I know that its all tied together. And basically just trying to spread the Gospel and give the Word to those who are without hope.


Philippians 2:9

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Hebrews 2:18
For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

And just as a favor as a fellow man, crack that Bible open, atleast one more time,

Romans 10

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?



With love that we don't know, your brother from another mother.




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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: Dillmiester]
    #16291265 - 05/27/12 07:35 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

So, you found a god while tripping. I'm happy for you.

One time I was tripping and I heard a friend vomiting in the darkness of the surrounding forest. It sounded like a demon was arriving from the plane of torment.


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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: Amoeboid]
    #16291286 - 05/27/12 07:43 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

There is only one God, and that's the Living God. The God of Israel just happens to be also. Its deep.


Exodus
And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.


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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: Dillmiester]
    #16291392 - 05/27/12 08:28 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Dillmiester said:
There is only one God, and that's the Living God. The God of Israel just happens to be also. Its deep.


Exodus
And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.




Some people believe in multiple gods, and it has nothing to with Israel.


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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: qman]
    #16291402 - 05/27/12 08:32 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Dillmiester said:
There is only one God, and that's the Living God.





Don't assume anything.


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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: Amoeboid]
    #16291443 - 05/27/12 08:47 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

My family always jokes around and tells me to go to church. Not for the sake of religion, but for the chances of me finding myself a girlfriend


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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: Best In The World]
    #16291451 - 05/27/12 08:49 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Changsta said:
My family always jokes around and tells me to go to church. Not for the sake of religion, but for the chances of me finding myself a girlfriend




L-O-fucking-L

Same here bruh


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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: Amoeboid]
    #16291456 - 05/27/12 08:50 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

From a scriptural standpoint.

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Exodus
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:


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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: Dillmiester]
    #16291501 - 05/27/12 09:05 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: Dillmiester]
    #16291516 - 05/27/12 09:10 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Dillmiester said:
There is only one God, and that's the Living God. The God of Israel just happens to be also. Its deep.





the bible tells me there's more than one god, god was alleged to be the only
one that possessed the knowledge of good and evil and what it could bring so
who was the 'us' that god spoke of when he said this?

Gen 3:22 "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil."


from the 10 commandments he points tot his fact again, why exactly would
good feel the need to be jealous especially over am image or likeness of
himself. in fact by his words having a photograph of something is a sin,
it's worshiping a false idol as would be christ on a crucifix

Exodus 20
You shall have no other gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,  but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.


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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16291556 - 05/27/12 09:20 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Jesus wasn't a bad guy, some of his teachings make sense. But the church took that and made it into something fucked up.

My grandmother tries to pull the same bullshit on me. I tell her I feel closer to god outside on a mountain top than I ever could inside a church. Maybe she doesn't realize that the church only served to oppress women, slow down scientific progress, and rob man of their free minds while taking money from them. The church system is not without its "sin" by any means.

My grandpa died recently as well and yadda yadda... but seriously it isn't fair for a grandmother to force her selfish ideals on anyone using guilt techniques. Just leave the whole church bullshit at the door when you're together and love and respect each other for the people you are... not whether or not you go to church on Sunday morning.


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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: Subconscious]
    #16291642 - 05/27/12 09:53 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Theres some serious bible talk going on in this thread  :datass:


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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: Almond Flour]
    #16291683 - 05/27/12 10:11 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

My grandma got mad when I told her I wasn't catholic.  I'm actually the only one in my family that has broken tradition.  Not catholic, vegetarian, long hair, drugs, etc.  It's kinda funny to see how different I am from all my cousins and stuff.


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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: Dillmiester]
    #16291691 - 05/27/12 10:14 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Dill, as another poster already said, I'm glad you've found God in your trip!  Please, just please do not go around trying to 'save' people, ok?  I, like most people, have no qualms with religious people or religion in general.  At least, I don't until someone starts trying to forcefully shove it down my throat.  No single thing in the world causes more problems than the discussing of religion.  Go to your church if you want to talk about Jesus.  Everyone needs the chance to find and walk their own path.

p.s. - Try not to read TOO far into your trips..  I'm glad you had a great trip, but psychedelics have this funny way of showing you what you need to see at that particular time in order to release pent up stress, guilt, or traumas.  It seems like you had a lot of guilt all built up inside for years about what you said to your grandma and how she died.  Within your trip, you could have subconsciously been trying to reconcile the problem by creating the feelings that would allow you to escape the guilt.

Remember to fall back to logic after every trip.


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Re: Poor grandma still bothers me about going to church. [Re: Amoeboid]
    #16291931 - 05/27/12 11:21 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

You could always pretend for grandma's sake. It would probably mean a lot to her and cost you nothing.


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