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Are there any real truths based on logic within occultism?
    #16291170 - 05/27/12 06:38 AM (12 years, 1 day ago)

Hi,

I was just wondering about this subject. I've been reading a few of books on wicca, magick, and neo-paganism and I been wondering a few things from people who have read further into it or practice such topics. Is there real substance/truth/logic behind the magick or practicing various things such as possession, controling energy, communication with the deceased etc...

Or is it simply working on emotional/psychological power that overide the literal meanings of such ideas.

I'm skeptical these even work

What are your answers? 

Thanks

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Re: Are there any real truths based on logic within occultism? [Re: gotbot]
    #16291239 - 05/27/12 07:22 AM (12 years, 1 day ago)

It does something very similar to neurolinguistic programming IMO.


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Re: Are there any real truths based on logic within occultism? [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #16291354 - 05/27/12 08:13 AM (12 years, 1 day ago)

logic is a sequence of idea transformations according to a set of rules.
mathematical logic is different from astrological logic, even though some math is used to compute the degrees or classes of relations between other ideas.

the definitions of words are different in the sense that in the logical rulesets of physics force is a measurable entity with fixed mathematical relations to other entities such as distance, time and work.

in astrology or even tarot, force may just mean presence of a pattern, and presence of a pattern may just mean history or inclination.

there are logical methods in occult systems but they usually involve logical leaps or wild connections without mathematical formulation, and in which the definitions of things are fluid rather than fixed.

in some ways that is more like how the mind works - jumping to associations more by similarity than by causal dependency or historical sequence.

so you could say the logic of the occult is the logic of similarities or closeness by likeness and often no other articulation.


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Re: Are there any real truths based on logic within occultism? [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #16291545 - 05/27/12 09:17 AM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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dustinthewind13 said:
It does something very similar to neurolinguistic programming IMO.



:thumbup:


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Re: Are there any real truths based on logic within occultism? [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #16293784 - 05/28/12 03:24 AM (12 years, 1 day ago)

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dustinthewind13 said:
It does something very similar to neurolinguistic programming IMO.





Could you expand on what it is about the occult that is similar?

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Re: Are there any real truths based on logic within occultism? [Re: newusernewmind]
    #16294041 - 05/28/12 06:51 AM (12 years, 22 hours ago)

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dustinthewind13 said:
It does something very similar to neurolinguistic programming IMO.





Could you expand on what it is about the occult that is similar?




The neurolinguistic programing part.


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Re: Are there any real truths based on logic within occultism? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #16294051 - 05/28/12 06:57 AM (12 years, 22 hours ago)

cool post :thumbup:


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Re: Are there any real truths based on logic within occultism? [Re: quinn]
    #16296166 - 05/28/12 03:49 PM (12 years, 13 hours ago)

I've been into magic for years, I don't think any of my spell work has had any effect at all. I don't think I'm getting anything out of the NLP audio files I'm using either.

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Re: Are there any real truths based on logic within occultism? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #16296406 - 05/28/12 04:30 PM (12 years, 12 hours ago)

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I've been into magic for years, I don't think any of my spell work has had any effect at all. I don't think I'm getting anything out of the NLP audio files I'm using either.




You didn't get anything out of it and you've been doing it for years? Sounds like a waste of time to me. :satansmoking:


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Re: Are there any real truths based on logic within occultism? [Re: gotbot]
    #16297517 - 05/28/12 08:13 PM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

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Are there any real truths based on logic within occultism?



Yes, absolutely yes. The origins of science are intertwined with occultism. Ancient people studied astrology, alchemy, minerals, herbs and herbal medicine, and biology. Modern science has advanced beyond the superstitious aspects of these things but it would be silly to deny that the origins of natural understanding are in practical occultism.


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Re: Are there any real truths based on logic within occultism? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #16299336 - 05/29/12 02:34 AM (12 years, 2 hours ago)

Plenty of time to waste.

I have mystical experiences, but remain the same controlled robot that I started out as, just more experienced.

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