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t-bone1
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do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber?
#16262305 - 05/21/12 11:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey everyone. havent posted in a while. So far my 1st grow has gone pretty well I think. I have 8 brf cakes in my fruiting chamber and have been there since last wednesday night. The initial colonization of my cakes took about 3 full weeks and then another week as described in the pf tek. (only lost 1 to contamination). They are treasure coast cubes. So along with the obvious question of how they are looking I also want to know is it normal for the verm to be taken over by this white stuff? that started about 2 days after I dunked and rolled them. I am misting kind of heavy 3 times a day and lightly misting another 2 sometimes 3 times a day and fanning about 7 times a day. temps are about *77-*80 and my humidity is running about 93-95%. thanks in advance!



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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: t-bone1]
#16262483 - 05/21/12 11:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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In my limited experience I would say that things look pretty soggy in there. For what its worth, if it were me I would cut down on the misting. As I understand it, the sensation of evaporation is an important pinning trigger for BRF cakes. I don't think things are supposed to stay that wet.
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: SapphiredUp]
#16262530 - 05/21/12 11:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok thanks. so then the white growth is normal then?
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: t-bone1]
#16262721 - 05/21/12 12:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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t-bone1 said: ok thanks. so then the white growth is normal then?
FACT: that's just fluffy mycelium growth
SPECULATION: I think it likes the overly soggy conditions and will eventually swallow your dry verm layer if it doesn't stop.
I don't know enough to tell you if it's detrimental to your grow.
Check out this thread:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12667285#12667285
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: SapphiredUp]
#16262726 - 05/21/12 12:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's fine, cut back on misting and you might need more FAE which is a big pinning trigger as well. Did you let your cakes consolidate for 7 days after they hit 100%?
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: VaeVictum]
#16262872 - 05/21/12 01:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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VaeVictum said: It's fine, cut back on misting and you might need more FAE which is a big pinning trigger as well. Did you let your cakes consolidate for 7 days after they hit 100%?
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Yes. dunked them for 24 hrs and then rolled in verm. the verm I had was really coarse so I made it finer by putting it in a coffee grinder then baking it at 350 for 30 minutes in the oven then rolled it, misted it really good about 30 minutes later.
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: t-bone1]
#16263192 - 05/21/12 02:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd definitely say open a nearby window and start fanning that twice up to four times a day with minimal amounts of misting only when the surface is visibly dry.
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: VaeVictum]
#16263328 - 05/21/12 03:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes they are looking good. that white stuff is the mycelium taking over that extra layer of verm. i agree with VaeVictum. cut back on the misting to only when visibly dry. but that is what the humidity is for. you shouldn't really need to mist as long as your humidity level is a steady 95%. as long as you have air moving around in your room you shouldn't need to fan that often either. just sit back and let your mushies grow. of course monitor it but in my experience the less you check on it the faster it grows. provided the conditions are constant of course.
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: HyphaeHooligan]
#16263369 - 05/21/12 03:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Top pinning triggers are FAE, water evaporation on the surface of the substrate and adequate lighting not in that order. Make sure you have appropriate lighting, fan hard after every misting and a few times in between misting and make sure you don't over saturate them.
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mushvan said: yes they are looking good...
Having humidity at 95% does not replace misting, you mist to replenish water to your substrate that is being lost while producing mushrooms. Humidity in no way is going to rehydrate your mushrooms but it most certainly will help in other areas.
While I agree with if you have air moving around your room and a proper SGFC you shouldn't NEED to fan but obviously he is not getting the proper amount of FAE so I would absolutely recommend you step up your amount of fanning.
Also no offense mushvan but I don't understand why cakes that look like that and have been in a SGFC for 5 days are "looking good".
They really aren't. 
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: VaeVictum]
#16263660 - 05/21/12 04:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks everyone. so i wont mist until needed (visibly dry) and I have upped the fanning. as far as air movement the room is ventilated and thought about turning on my ceiling fan on the lowest setting just to move a little air. think that would be a bad idea? as far as light I have a window about 3 ft. from the chamber. gets good light.
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: t-bone1]
#16263724 - 05/21/12 04:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crack that window turn that fan on low and sit back. Your cakes will produce mushrooms I'm sure but it's just taking them a while to start pinning. More fanning should help out with this.
Good luck and good vibes.

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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: VaeVictum]
#16263839 - 05/21/12 05:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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VaeVictum said: you mist to replenish water to your substrate that is being lost while producing mushrooms. Humidity in no way is going to rehydrate your mushrooms but it most certainly will help in other areas.
You've given good advice in this thread, but this point needs to be corrected.
Misting is primarily for evaporation purposes, and does not introduce meaningful amounts of hydration to the cake (if it's doing that, you're misting way too much). Dunks rehydrate cakes.
High humidity doesn't 'rehydrate', but it *does* prevent dehydration, which is the other side of the same coin.
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: andymc]
#16263858 - 05/21/12 05:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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andymc said:
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VaeVictum said: you mist to replenish water to your substrate that is being lost while producing mushrooms. Humidity in no way is going to rehydrate your mushrooms but it most certainly will help in other areas.
You've given good advice in this thread, but this point needs to be corrected.
Misting is primarily for evaporation purposes, and does not introduce meaningful amounts of hydration to the cake (if it's doing that, you're misting way too much). Dunks rehydrate cakes.
High humidity doesn't 'rehydrate', but it *does* prevent dehydration, which is the other side of the same coin.
I can see your cause for concern in correcting what I said. I didn't really mean that it's the main source of re-hydrating your sub completely but with how I mist (very heavily) I'm pretty sure my cakes were doing something with all of that excess moisture besides producing new pins as it evaporates.
Thanks for helping clarify.
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: t-bone1]
#16263877 - 05/21/12 05:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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t-bone1 said:

That's some very aggressive colonization you've got there. 3 weeks is pretty fast for cakes, if you started from spores. I've seen mycelium colonize "rolled" verm but not quite like that - it looks unusually aerial or something - strangely textured. Can you give us a closer shot of this?
EDIT: Nevermind, I downloaded this first shot and zoomed in:

I've never seen mushroom mycelium that looks like that. Maybe it's just the camera focus, but it looks almost crystalline. Weird indeed.
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: andymc]
#16263969 - 05/21/12 05:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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andymc said: I've never seen mushroom mycelium that looks like that. Maybe it's just the camera focus, but it looks almost crystalline. Weird indeed.
I've only had small patches of it like that, never an entire cake.

It's almost like your vermiculite had BRF in it and the myc is trying to colonize all of it very aggressively.
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: VaeVictum]
#16264048 - 05/21/12 05:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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so if it is colonizing the verm layer as mentioned is there something else i should do to combat this? (like dunk and re-roll in verm) anyone had experience with this happening before? and if so did it cause a problem?
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: t-bone1]
#16264055 - 05/21/12 05:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm really not sure if there's much you can do about it. Just keep fanning and you'll get pins eventually. I wouldn't recommend dunking and rolling again though by any means it could just further encourage this growth.
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: VaeVictum]
#16264097 - 05/21/12 06:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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VaeVictum said: I'm really not sure if there's much you can do about it. Just keep fanning and you'll get pins eventually. I wouldn't recommend dunking and rolling again though by any means it could just further encourage this growth.
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thank you very much everyone. I will keep checking the post for more insight. I will report back when I get some pinning. let yall know how it goes. Thanks!
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: t-bone1]
#24258010 - 04/19/17 06:44 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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The fluffy myc is just aerial myc...lol it could mean a couple things sometimes its just a sign of healthy myc but others when its aggressive may mean genetics. Regardless it should be taken my cake is alive bt not as a sign its going to pin. Look for tiny white knots the size of a period like this(.) that is your sign things are going good. Im a noob too but i have read alot cause well i a nerd too and i too am doing cakes thinking about starting getting into some bulk and joined the forum to maybe get some better help. Anyways you are def on your way bro. Peace P.s. Fae is a beast
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Re: do my cakes look alright for 5 days in fruiting chamber? [Re: Dale420]
#24258035 - 04/19/17 06:56 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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