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POPCORN=35%
    #1625948 - 06/11/03 10:32 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I have read the mushroom cultivator throughly and paul stamets said that grain spawn should be 50% moisture.After pressure cooking popcorn for 45 minutes ,then drying,my popcorn is 35% moisture.It was 11% to start with.Is 35% really enough moisture?it seems like a lot of you are having sucess with it.Is anyone else getting better moisture content than this?


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: whitesox]
    #1625986 - 06/11/03 11:00 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

As you can read in a couple of places in the very long popcorn thread; people are first pc'ing for an hour, straining for a half and then pc'ing in the jars for another hour. This is what I and alot of people have been doing with success. As to what moisture percentage, no idea.


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: laguendo]
    #1626002 - 06/11/03 11:10 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

hmmm?


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: whitesox]
    #1626020 - 06/11/03 11:25 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

He's saying that he doesn't know about moisture content per se, but that people have simply followed the method without checking the content and it's worked.

As I mentioned in my PM, if you read stamets more thoroughly he doesn't recomend 50% exclusively. In fact, he recomends as little as 38% for grain in large containers (big ass bags). If these bags colonize just fine at 38% (and they do) I would imagine that 35% would colonize just fine.

In fact, in the years that I grew, I never had a jar perform poorly because it was too dry. I had many perform poorly for being too wet. So, I'd err on the dry side rather than the wet side.


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: mycofile]
    #1626365 - 06/11/03 02:45 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I did read the book very thoroughly and nowhere in it does he recomend using 38% moisture for the production of spawn.Which is what popcorn is.By the way, pressure cooking for an hour will give the popcorn 46% moisture,but there are way too many exploded kernals.But, I know you have way more experience than me,and if you say that 35% is ok,then I believe you.


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: whitesox]
    #1626846 - 06/11/03 06:21 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

i'm no pro but i use popcorn with great success here's what do,i boil the popcorn loose(not in jars) for 45 mins. or an 1 hour then let them soak over night i've even poured h2o2 in it and soaked just to be extra safe(wait for it to cool down alittle before adding h2o2).pressure cook the next day for 1 hour at 15 psi.let cool down for about 8 to 12 hours and then knock'em up.i', not sure if thats how everyone is doing it but it's worked for me many times.


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: charvo]
    #1627496 - 06/11/03 11:18 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't tried soaking yet.I think I'll try that and then see what percentage of moisture I'll get.thanks


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: whitesox]
    #1628680 - 06/12/03 01:02 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Whitesox, perhaps it was in GG&MM rather than in TMC that he elaborated on various moisture contents for grain in different sized containers. While 50% (and even higher) may be great for small jars (pints, quarts) you need much lower mosture contents for grain in large containers (1/2 gallon +). The larger the spawn container and the wetter the spawn, the more likely it is to develop anearobic conditions. He gives recomended moisture contents for containers up to the large spawn bag which he recomends at 38% moisture.

I'm not telling you that 35% is ok for sure. I'm just saying that I've colonized grain with NO MORE than 38%, and maybe even less. This was in large bas, but I don't think that really matters. I also know that many many many smaller jars that I did had nowhere near 50%, although I didn't really test them.

I also think that other people have reported success following the same method you did, and got great results even though they didn't check their moisture %.

So, in other words, I think you'll be fine, but can't be sure.


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: mycofile]
    #1628837 - 06/12/03 02:30 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Hey, that's cool.There's only one way to find out for sure,right.By the way, I simmered corn in a pot for an hour and got the exact same moisture content as pressure cooking for 45 minutes at 15 psi,35%.


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: mycofile]
    #1629368 - 06/12/03 06:42 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

> perhaps it was in GG&MM rather than in TMC that he elaborated on various
>moisture contents for grain in different sized containers

It actually is TMC. Less water is used with bigger amounts of grain substrate to prevent bacterial growth when the substrate doesn?t get that much air exchange.


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: Anno]
    #1629461 - 06/12/03 07:25 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

oof, the picture that i loaded this post with of tatou is not flattering at all =(

(sorry for the OT)


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: Raadt]
    #1629465 - 06/12/03 07:28 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

which one? Can you link me to it? :wink: 


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: whitesox]
    #1629930 - 06/12/03 10:30 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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By the way, pressure cooking for an hour will give the popcorn 46% moisture,but there are way too many exploded kernals.But, I know you have way more experience than me,and if you say that 35% is ok,then I believe you.




I have ALWAYS made sure during the boiling that most of the kernals burst.

To me it makes sence that it would be easier for the mycellium to colonize the soft insides of a cooked kernal of popcorn rather than trying to penetrate the hard outer shell....even after pcing.....IMHO


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: Amanita_Dreamer]
    #1630980 - 06/13/03 11:33 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

no dude


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: Psychoslut]
    #1632170 - 06/13/03 10:32 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

That was an infomative reply......anyway it works good for me. Whatever your methods are i'm sure they work too. As I said IMHO (in my humble OPINION) ........dude


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: Amanita_Dreamer]
    #1632227 - 06/13/03 11:33 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Hey, I just posted something in the Basic cultivation section that is asking almost exactly this... could some of you wise ones please take a peek? I would really appreciate it.

Or if you don't feel like it, maybe just explaining why you want or don't want many exploded kernels would be great, I have a tendency to agree with Aminita just logically but that rarely works out. Anybody have an explanation?


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: kukusz]
    #1632352 - 06/14/03 12:58 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Here's whats works for my friends if this doesn't work for YOU I do apologize but I have seen very good results with this method.

Water content for my friends have been maximized buy soaking for 12hours in luke warm water then brought to a boil,and finally simmered for 1 hour. At this point most of the kernals are open and crush easily between fingers. This some people will disagree with and say that is too much and the kernals should be left unbroken. In short that the kernal has too much water content.

Then however....A foaf has solved this problem by pressure cooking @20psi (259*f) for 57mins.Instead of the usual 15psi (250*) for 60min.
The increased pressure/temp. cooks off more moisture from the kernals closest to the interior of your their glass jar. So much so that these kernals closest to the edge of the glass look much darker due to the intense heat comming of  the glass directly. Immediately after the pressure unlocks itself the jars are immediately rolled to distibute the remaining moisture more or less evenly throught the jar.

This same preperation has been done on WBS with sucsess. The mycellium seems to love it and 27 casings and 125+quarts later no more than acceptable levels of contams......IMHO  :smirk: 


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: Amanita_Dreamer]
    #1632400 - 06/14/03 01:15 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds good, thanks for the reply.


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: kukusz]
    #1632743 - 06/14/03 07:34 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Just for curiosity:

how do you measure the moisture percentage ?


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Re: POPCORN=35% [Re: Kertiner]
    #1632752 - 06/14/03 08:13 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)



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