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Do u believe there r cougars in NY?
    #16258599 - 05/20/12 02:35 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The DEC denies their existence here -

"To date, no hard evidence has been produced that would prove the existence of cougars living and reproducing in the wild in New York . . . no tracks, scat, dead cougars, photos, videos, or audio tapes. Contrast that with areas with known cougar populations, where sign is relatively easy to find. For instance, there is an estimated population of 200 cougars in the Black Hills of South Dakota. In 2006, South Dakota officials documented 56 cougar carcasses, and 67 carcasses in 2007. No wild cougar carcasses have been documented in New York since 1894. If you believe that you have seen a cougar, please check for tracks or other signs that have been left by the animal. If possible, photograph the animal. Photographs of tracks are also useful; please include an object of known size such as a quarter next to the track. Placing a can or bucket over the best tracks may help preserve them until they can be examined by DEC wildlife staff."

But many people claim to see them from all over the state.

Also I know that I saw something cougar like in the woods last summer, though it's possible it could have been a bobcat also.



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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: skatealex2]
    #16258619 - 05/20/12 02:39 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I hope there "r" cougars in NY, eating those damned New Yorkers.


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Morgenstern]
    #16258628 - 05/20/12 02:43 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: skatealex2]
    #16258651 - 05/20/12 02:50 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Didn't you make a thread about how you were going to buy a .22 to fight off cougars and coyotes a few months back? :rofl:


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: twighead]
    #16258667 - 05/20/12 02:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

A cougar is like about 8 feet long with the tail.
People probably see bobcats and freak out. Same thing happens with bears, it's not a grizzly, people just freak.


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: skatealex2]
    #16258671 - 05/20/12 03:00 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Arkansas claims there are no cougars here either.

it's all about money.
if the game and fish list cougars as a species in a state,  then they have to enact all kinds of legislature.
they have to count the cougars. they have to find a way to deal with them and land owners who
don't want them around livestock or children. they will be listed as endangered and that sets up all
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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: twighead]
    #16258679 - 05/20/12 03:03 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, and then i ended up with a felony :/

Edited by skatealex2 (05/20/12 03:05 PM)

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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Doc_T]
    #16258686 - 05/20/12 03:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Doc_T said:
A cougar is like about 8 feet long with the tail.
People probably see bobcats and freak out. Same thing happens with bears, it's not a grizzly, people just freak.




Same thing in Pennsylvania...


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: twighead]
    #16258755 - 05/20/12 03:31 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Didn't you make a thread about how you were going to buy a .22 to fight off cougars and coyotes a few months back? :rofl:



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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: yoimjohn]
    #16258798 - 05/20/12 03:45 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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twighead said:
Didn't you make a thread about how you were going to buy a .22 to fight off cougars and coyotes a few months back? :rofl:



:lmafo:




You'd be surprised. The sound of a gun could make a cougar think twice about attacking u.

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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: skatealex2]
    #16258799 - 05/20/12 03:46 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

If a cougar chose to attack you, you probably would be totally unaware until its jaws were around your neck :smilingpuppy:


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: joe666]
    #16258951 - 05/20/12 04:28 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Arkansas claims there are no cougars here either.





I've been told that there's no bears or cougar here, guy doing some work on
my fence asked if I had cows on the property yet or any black cows and I said
'no, you probably saw a bear'


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16258969 - 05/20/12 04:31 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16258982 - 05/20/12 04:33 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Them's bears, bro. You got bears.


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Doc_T]
    #16258990 - 05/20/12 04:34 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

ive always wanted to scat on a cougar. theyd be into it


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Doc_T] * 1
    #16258994 - 05/20/12 04:34 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

We got cougars in MI.


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16258999 - 05/20/12 04:36 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Nah bro, that's just a dog or something. Bears are a hoax.

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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Doc_T]
    #16259001 - 05/20/12 04:36 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Them's bears, bro. You got bears.





there's no bears here, no cougar either even though I've hear them and seen a few tracks

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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: LySergic D]
    #16259006 - 05/20/12 04:37 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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We got cougars in MI.



We got all sorts of mammals, shit.

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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: limestoneman]
    #16259008 - 05/20/12 04:37 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16259017 - 05/20/12 04:39 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I'd want pics before I'd agree you have cougars. Just seems unlikely, like people saying we have grizzly bears here.
But your bears are black bears for sure.  Think they are transients? Or re-colonizing lost ground?
Is there a state-law reason why 'there are no bears', as alleged re: cougars?


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Doc_T]
    #16259026 - 05/20/12 04:40 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I'd want pics before I'd agree you have cougars. Just seems unlikely, like people saying we have grizzly bears here.
But your bears are black bears for sure.  Think they are transients? Or re-colonizing lost ground?
Is there a state-law reason why 'there are no bears', as alleged re: cougars?



In Michigan?
I got proof if you want it?


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Doc_T]
    #16259048 - 05/20/12 04:44 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I'd want pics before I'd agree you have cougars. Just seems unlikely, like people saying we have grizzly bears here.
But your bears are black bears for sure.  Think they are transients?






cougar tracks are pretty unmistakable proof and bobcats dont sound anything like a cougar


this one was shot about 80 miles south of me in west point, they guy wasnt
prosecuted, maybe because there's no cougar in georgia


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: LySergic D]
    #16259056 - 05/20/12 04:46 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Erm... I was replying to Pris. You can tell from the title bar of my post, where it says "re: Pris"

Michigan, sure you have cougars. Ever seen one?
We have them here apparently, but I've never seen any trace, no tracks, no scat, no nothing.
I believe they are here but I scoff at most claimed sightings.


Pris, that looks cougary, but was there a real ID made?
Or did everybody just close their eyes and hope the carcass would go away?


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16259061 - 05/20/12 04:48 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

this was north east alabama, only about 10 miles from me




this in in Tennessee, about 70 miles north, it's a micro panther


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16259084 - 05/20/12 04:52 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I rarely watch linked vids of any sort. But I'm looking again at the cougar in the truck.
Does it seem really kind of small and skinny?
I wonder if that's a yearling that got lost somehow and ended up digging through trash or eating tied-up dogs?


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Doc_T]
    #16259093 - 05/20/12 04:54 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I've seen cougars in TN. Not that unheard of.

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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16259096 - 05/20/12 04:55 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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this in in Tennessee, about 70 miles north, it's a micro panther






ummm...no.sorry to burst your bubble on this one. "micro panther":curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: KEEPYOURAIDSAWAY]
    #16259108 - 05/20/12 04:57 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

a micro panther aka a black house cat...

but yeah i bet there a cougars a lot of places that claim there aren't any

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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Doc_T]
    #16259110 - 05/20/12 04:58 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Pris, that looks cougary, but was there a real ID made?
Or did everybody just close their eyes and hope the carcass would go away?





DNR claims that it was probably someone's pet cougar that escaped

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    #16259121 - 05/20/12 04:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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this in in Tennessee, about 70 miles north, it's a micro panther






ummm...no.sorry to burst your bubble on this one. "micro panther":curbyourenthusiasm:




I guess it wasnt so funny to you then

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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16259123 - 05/20/12 04:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i was hoping you were joking.

i did chuckle...."its too small"


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16259124 - 05/20/12 04:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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DNR claims that it was probably someone's pet cougar that escaped




That's not completely unlikely. :strokebeard:

There probably are more captive/farmed cougars in your state than wild ones.
So if one got out, it would end up hungry and hunting around people. Whereas a wild one would be pretty wary.


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Doc_T]
    #16259170 - 05/20/12 05:10 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I know for a fact that there are cougars/mountain lions in upstate NY. I went camping with a buddy and his family near Callicoon, NY. I saw several distinct mountain lion tracks in river beds while hiking. One night we were stoned as fuck, just finished smoking a blunt on the dock of the lake and we heard the tale-tell sound of a mountain lion. We made a crazy stoned dash into the cabin. They're there for sure.

Also, I used to service some redneck barbershop's fish tank in a town in north Jersey that bordered NY state and they told me all about how buddies of theirs had shot two mountain lions the week before, showed me pics too.

They are 110% in NY State.

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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Doc_T]
    #16259183 - 05/20/12 05:12 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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DNR claims that it was probably someone's pet cougar that escaped




That's not completely unlikely. :strokebeard:

There probably are more captive/farmed cougars in your state than wild ones.
So if one got out, it would end up hungry and hunting around people. Whereas a wild one would be pretty wary.





if one escaped from captivity it would quickly be reported to DNR,

the odds of several escaping per year would be astronomical. I'm trying to
find the article of the one spotted outside of atlanta a few years ago


http://www.chattanoogan.com/2008/11/18/139225/Hunter-Kills-Cougar-in-Georgia.aspx
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Hunters around Georgia's West Point Lake might be led to believe that Georgia has a new predator roaming the woods - the cougar.

A Sunday kill of a male cougar on U.S. Army Corps of Engineer land at West Point Lake, south of Hwy. 109 seemed to verify that thought. However, according to the Georgia Department of Natural Resources Wildlife Resources Division, this simply is a one-time experience.

"TThough cougar and panther sightings persist in Georgia, there are no
known native populations of these animals roaming the woods
," advises
Wildlife Resources Division Region Supervisor Kevin Kramer. "There is
no reason to believe there are any more cougars out there. This likely
is a unique experience and while exciting, is not something for which we should be concerned."

he cougar, taken near the Abbottsford community west of LaGrange, was a male, 88 inches in length measured from the nose to the tip of the tail and weighed approximately 140 pounds. The hunter who took the animal was legally hunting deer from his tree stand at the time the cougar approached.

Initial external examination by Wildlife Resources Division biologists
found no tattoos, tags or collars, and the cougar had not been declawed.

Further examination by The Southeastern Cooperative Wildlife Disease Study in Athens Monday afternoon confirmed the cougar to be healthy and well fed. Researchers determined the cougar had a very low parasite level and that the pads on all four feet were scuffed. According to SCWDS staff, these findings are consistent with a captive reared cougar, not a wild specimen.

Due to the fact that there are no known native populations of cougars
in Georgia, no permitted cougars in this area and that the closest Alabama facilities permitted to house cougars (in Elmore and Macon Counties) have accounted for all permitted cougars, the animal taken
Sunday likely escaped or was released from a non-permitted individual.

There currently are no leads as to who may have most recently held the
animal, but the Division will continue to look into all possibilities.





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    #16259199 - 05/20/12 05:16 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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if one escaped from captivity it would quickly be reported to DNR,




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    #16259226 - 05/20/12 05:26 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i live in ny and i see cougars all the time :eatingout:

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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Doc_T]
    #16259229 - 05/20/12 05:28 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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if one escaped from captivity it would quickly be reported to DNR,




Doubt it. That's probably a good way to lose your cougar license.





there are no permits for cougar in georgia except to places like zoos,
alabama acknowledges that cougar are native to the region and there's been
hundreds of reported sightings and fuckloads of historical records including
in DeKalb county alabama which is the next county over from me, now do you
believe that the cougars know where the state line is and one once in a while
they disregard georgia's claim and cross that state line? could it be
possible that GADNR is just making the claim as was mentioned by joe so
they dont have to deal with the federal headaches

http://www.easterncougarnet.org/Cougar-Alabama%27s%20Native%20Lion.htm

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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16261440 - 05/21/12 04:23 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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if one escaped from captivity it would quickly be reported to DNR,




Doubt it. That's probably a good way to lose your cougar license.





there are no permits for cougar in georgia except to places like zoos,
alabama acknowledges that cougar are native to the region and there's been
hundreds of reported sightings and fuckloads of historical records including
in DeKalb county alabama which is the next county over from me, now do you
believe that the cougars know where the state line is and one once in a while
they disregard georgia's claim and cross that state line? could it be
possible that GADNR is just making the claim as was mentioned by joe so
they dont have to deal with the federal headaches

http://www.easterncougarnet.org/Cougar-Alabama%27s%20Native%20Lion.htm




I haven't seen a cougar in west AL, but I've definitely heard one of the banshees while hunting.  I think it's likely GA has a few as well.


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: MorphinTime]
    #16262157 - 05/21/12 10:29 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Also I know that I saw something cougar like in the woods last summer, though it's possible it could have been a bobcat also.







It's pretty fucking hard to mix up a bobcat and a cougar. A bobcat is very small. Not much bigger than a house cat. A cougar/mountain lion are 130-160lbs female and 150lbs-220lbs male. They stand about 2.5-3.5 feet tall.



We have them all over here. It's a huge problem and since I live in PUSSYASS California I can't fucking shoot any in my yard. I live in a neighboorhood on 1 acre with an elementary school .3 miles away.


Me shooting an aggressive lion is clearly more dangerous than the presence of the lion itself :rolleyes:


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: withoutawire]
    #16262266 - 05/21/12 10:54 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

My next door neighbor is a cougar...

oh, you mean the animal? my b

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    #16262286 - 05/21/12 10:59 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Also I know that I saw something cougar like in the woods last summer, though it's possible it could have been a bobcat also.







It's pretty fucking hard to mix up a bobcat and a cougar. A bobcat is very small. Not much bigger than a house cat. A cougar/mountain lion are 130-160lbs female and 150lbs-220lbs male. They stand about 2.5-3.5 feet tall.



We have them all over here. It's a huge problem and since I live in PUSSYASS California I can't fucking shoot any in my yard. I live in a neighboorhood on 1 acre with an elementary school .3 miles away.


Me shooting an aggressive lion is clearly more dangerous than the presence of the lion itself :rolleyes:





Well, it probably was a cougar cause what I saw looked big and it just walked in front of my line of sight before ending the woods, a small cat wouldn't have bugged me out at the time.

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    #16262308 - 05/21/12 11:04 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Ya it probably was a cougar then. Most of the time they don't bother with people but there have been many cases where a cougar will pull someone right off a bike or someone who's running and kill them. It's not happening often but it's more frequent. They are starting to fear humans less.

They are really interesting creatures. They wait for their pray and pounce of them. Then they bite right into the back of their neck and sever their brain stem, killing the animal almost instantly.


I listened to one kill my neighbors cat about a week ago not even ten feet from my window. It was SO COOL. It made all these big cat rawring noises. It was fucking legit.


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    #16262328 - 05/21/12 11:11 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Damn, I'm just happy I saw it before going into the woods.  That would have to suck, going into woods and noticing a cougar walking around.  It also would give you a dilemma cause if you run away you could initiate it's instinct to chase their prey.  :uhoh:

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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: skatealex2]
    #16262337 - 05/21/12 11:12 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Stand your ground. Throw your arms in the air. Scream and yell.


Unfortunately that's the only defense we have in California and New York due to democrats trying to fuck with the second amendment.


You don't have to worry about the cats you can see. You have to worry about the ones you can't see. The ones that lurk in the shadows and most of them hunt from trees. Then they pounce.


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Re: Do u believe there r cougars in NY? [Re: withoutawire]
    #16263663 - 05/21/12 04:37 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)



i bet you'd find a cougar in NY before you see this in real life

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    #16263669 - 05/21/12 04:38 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i want me a cougar too :naughty:

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    #16263819 - 05/21/12 05:09 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

IDK, but there are in my city.  On the greenbelt (bike path that runs along the river through the middle of the city) near the university there is a mountain lion hanging out.  Its a couple blocks from my house...

Cool right?  Ima go for a ride and try to spot him!  I'll send pics if I do...


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IDK, but there are in my city.  On the greenbelt (bike path that runs along the river through the middle of the city) near the university there is a mountain lion hanging out.  Its a couple blocks from my house...

Cool right?  Ima go for a ride and try to spot him!  I'll send pics if I do...




mountain lion casually chilling next to students at a school?

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i bet you'd find a cougar in NY before you see this in real life



That is just a really pretty picture.

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IDK, but there are in my city.  On the greenbelt (bike path that runs along the river through the middle of the city) near the university there is a mountain lion hanging out.  Its a couple blocks from my house...

Cool right?  Ima go for a ride and try to spot him!  I'll send pics if I do...




mountain lion casually chilling next to students at a school?




He's our weed dealer


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fbi365 said:
IDK, but there are in my city.  On the greenbelt (bike path that runs along the river through the middle of the city) near the university there is a mountain lion hanging out.  Its a couple blocks from my house...

Cool right?  Ima go for a ride and try to spot him!  I'll send pics if I do...




mountain lion casually chilling next to students at a school?




He's our weed dealer




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