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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Morc]
    #16244909 - 05/17/12 12:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hello,

Welcome aboard.  This is a good thread to start with...

As to whether PCs wear out, not really.  The typical variety uses a
rubber gasket that does wear out, but is replaceable.  The seal-less
All American PCs (the best, by far, but overkill for you, for now) will
run until thermonuclear war ends everything.

You can just use the steam pot method, and this tek, to get started
just fine.  You will get to work on maintaining fruiting conditions
with your early tries.  (look up an SGFC)

Good luck,

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    #16253731 - 05/19/12 10:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks so much for the warm welcome Javadog! I will be starting with the steam pot method to see if I'm too anal to not just go get a good PC lol. I always want to do it right the first time! Measure twice, cut once! One shot one kill! One thing that helped me exceed my peers with Cannabis was a dialed in environment. So important to start with a dialed in environment, as I'm sure many of you here at Shroomery know. For my FC I'll be using a clear tub with a hygrometer, holes and some perlite. I'm debating on where I will be putting the tubs to do their thing so I can do up some lighting on a timer. I plan on using RO water for anything requiring H2O, except maybe the steam process. I also ordered some organic BRF, and some Gypsum to mix with the medium verm, for my substrate. As for my inoculation station, I'll be making a glove box with Tyvex sleeves, and rubber gloves in a clear tote. Is there any reason I can't use 91% alcohol rather then the 70%? Probably not, but worth the question.

As for spores I ordered up some B+, and Penis Envy with Golden Teacher as my freebie. Any reason I can't run both varieties at the same time in the same FC? Not the same cake, but the same FC. I still have yet to look into what the best substrate will be for each strain, but I am thinking that the 1/2 pint(wm)BRF cakes will do for my first few cycles. These 1/2 pints are so small looking! Seems like a larger jar would be more productive since there's more surface area to fruit from. Eh Either way I'm gonna follow the tek, and see how I do! Thanks again Javadog! See ya around the boards!

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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: ImaginingEmotions]
    #16254080 - 05/19/12 01:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

when i was looking for gypsum, they only sold it in 50 gal bags, and considering id be using a Tbl sppon of it at a time, $25 didnt seem worth it for the bag.

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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: BurnAFewDown]
    #16254090 - 05/19/12 01:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It's worth it.
You can use it in your garden, too.
When I first started, I was paying over $8 for a little bag of it.


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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #16254100 - 05/19/12 01:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Thanks so much for the warm welcome Javadog! I will be starting with the steam pot method to see if I'm too anal to not just go get a good PC lol. I always want to do it right the first time! Measure twice, cut once! One shot one kill! One thing that helped me exceed my peers with Cannabis was a dialed in environment. So important to start with a dialed in environment, as I'm sure many of you here at Shroomery know. For my FC I'll be using a clear tub with a hygrometer, holes and some perlite. I'm debating on where I will be putting the tubs to do their thing so I can do up some lighting on a timer. I plan on using RO water for anything requiring H2O, except maybe the steam process. I also ordered some organic BRF, and some Gypsum to mix with the medium verm, for my substrate. As for my inoculation station, I'll be making a glove box with Tyvex sleeves, and rubber gloves in a clear tote. Is there any reason I can't use 91% alcohol rather then the 70%? Probably not, but worth the question.

As for spores I ordered up some B+, and Penis Envy with Golden Teacher as my freebie. Any reason I can't run both varieties at the same time in the same FC? Not the same cake, but the same FC. I still have yet to look into what the best substrate will be for each strain, but I am thinking that the 1/2 pint(wm)BRF cakes will do for my first few cycles. These 1/2 pints are so small looking! Seems like a larger jar would be more productive since there's more surface area to fruit from. Eh Either way I'm gonna follow the tek, and see how I do! Thanks again Javadog! See ya around the boards!

Cheers,
morC



Dont use RO water for anything myco related.  Tap water is better.  Stream or pond water is best.  If your so anal measure twice cut once then why wouldnt you get a PC and do it properly?  You can fruit two different types of cube's in the same FC.  The best substrate for each strain?  It doesnt matter they all do well on cakes.  If you try to do cakes in larger jars they usually stall.  Follow the tek
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It's worth it.
You can use it in your garden, too.
When I first started, I was paying over $8 for a little bag of it.



Just get an old sheet of junk drywall and smash it with a hammer.  You now have gypsum.  Plus your recycling and saving money


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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: truskool]
    #16254168 - 05/19/12 01:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You will find that PE is slower than the other cubes, but you can still
fruits these cakes together without problem.

BTW, the 70% alcohol is better for disinfecting.  It seems that the water
helps it get taken up by the targeted organisms.

You will need the 90+% for your alcohol lamp, if you use one.

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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Javadog]
    #16259558 - 05/20/12 06:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I figured that using RO would take all the crap out of the tap water, and would be better for avoiding random chemicals. Wouldn't tap or stream water contain bacteria, and possible contaminants? The reason I decided to not jump on the PC off the bat was because of the RR tek that states it's possible to steam them without the use of a PC. If it's something that is mandatory then yeah I'd get it. I'm still looking for one online that is a good price, probably used too. Seein them on CL for like $20. I'll be getting one eventually, but the info I have seen has suggested that it is more then possible to get good results from using a pot rather then a PC. Not worth trying a large lidded pot? As for the 71% alcohol I'll have to pick some up since I use the 91% for cleaning my tube and pieces. Thanks for the feedback java! What the best way to continue a strain for beginners? I seem to be siding with LC, over a spore print. Which will store longest with the least chance of failure?

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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Morc]
    #16259808 - 05/20/12 07:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I figured that using RO would take all the crap out of the tap water, and would be better for avoiding random chemicals.





there are no random chemicals in your tap water.

they are carefully labelled and added in precise amounts.


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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: k00laid]
    #16262134 - 05/21/12 10:22 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

^^Wtf are you talkin about? So they put Radon in our tap water so that it tastes better? How come everything I post someone has to pick it apart, and not offer help, but rather comments like the one above? How do you know what's in my water? Do you know what's in your water? There are different random chemicals in all water sources! Well unless the world is blanketed by chemicals/pesticides/herbicides that leach into the soil, and into our water sources equally. No

So what your saying is that there isn't anything that could contaminate my FC that is in the tap water that will be soaking my perlite to add humidity in my FC? Seems that the cleaner my water is the better, NOT the worse. How can you guys justify using distilled water but not Reverse Osmosis water? Maybe it's overkill, but it seems that I brought up a question worth trolling over? Hey Nemo how about you Find what's in my water and get back to me about what's in it? This is the only forum that I have been apart of that the members talk shit so openly. I came here for the info and the members that have compassion and want to help others succeed. Not just take up threads with bullshit comments about water having precise amounts! Really how does that help the thread? Rather why not say that using RO isn't a good idea because... ________________________________________________________?

Instead I should use some stagnant pond water? How sterile is that? Maybe I'm thinking that I need to be more sterile then I thought, but I'm having trouble understanding the why rather then what sarcastic response I can come up with. Lame


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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Morc]
    #16262146 - 05/21/12 10:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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radon? in tap water?

no its mostly just chlorine and fluoride


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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: k00laid]
    #16262219 - 05/21/12 10:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Here is an example of a city water quality report that comes out quarterly for almost all cities. Notice the chemicals that are in the water source, though some are minute. This one is for Newport Beach,Ca:
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http://www.newportbeachca.gov/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=12924
About Lead in Tap Water

"If present, elevated levels of lead can cause serious health
problems, especially for pregnant women and young children.
Lead in drinking water is primarily from materials and components
associated with service lines and home
plumbing. The City is responsible for
providing high quality drinking
water, but cannot control the
variety of materials used in
plumbing components.
When your water has been sitting
for several hours, you can mini mize the
potential for lead exposure by flushing your tap for
30 seconds to 2 minutes before using water for drinking
or cooking.
If you are concerned about lead in your water,
you may wish to have your water tested.
Information on lead in drinking water, testing
methods, and steps you can take to minimize exposure is
available from the Safe Drinking Water Hotline or at:
www.epa.gov/safewater/lead."

^^That alone should tell you that there is random chemical in the water source.

So if it's cool to just use regular tap water that's cool. I just figured it would be a good precaution that would help take your water's dissolved solids back to 0-10ppm, rather then 250ppm or higher dependent on location. The report changes after the local water treatment plant flushes it's system as well, so don't get comfortable with your waters current status. Again just trying to make some sense of this.

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    #16262339 - 05/21/12 11:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: hamloaf]
    #16262392 - 05/21/12 11:27 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Instead of debating water quality in specific cities, lets not, and just stick with questions about the PF Tek.

If you have any doubts about whats in your water then by all means waste money on bottled water.


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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Morc]
    #16262743 - 05/21/12 12:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The City is responsible for
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water, but cannot control the
variety of materials used in
plumbing components.

^^That alone should tell you that there is random chemical in the water source.







as it says, the city cant control how your house is plumbed, if you're
concerned then maybe you should buy mineral water or spring water.

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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #16262783 - 05/21/12 01:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

RO water is bad because all the minerals and nutrients have been taken out of it.  These help with mushroom germination and growth.  This is why pond water is better has more of these minerals and nutrients in it.


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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: truskool]
    #16264946 - 05/21/12 08:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Everything municipal water adds to water is going to cause something to grow that wasn't going to grow to already.  As for RO/distilled water for cakes, bulk sub, or anything other then syringes and maybe LC/GLC is a bit of over kill.  But do what you do cause if its properly sterilized or pasteurized it good to go.  Yeah pond water does have more minerals then DI/RO water that's a given which would make it better given that mushrooms do use the minerals in the water.  Only way to know is to do side by side.  I like to see the difference just out of curiosity but i dont have steam/pond to get water.  However, I have tried using spring water from the store vs tap water and i saw no difference.  So i just use my tap water.

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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: zepski]
    #16265047 - 05/21/12 09:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Aren't there tonicity issues with distilled water specifically?

I believe that this might affect spore syringes specifically.

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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Javadog]
    #16265178 - 05/21/12 09:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds good fellas! I'll track down a pressure cooker asap. I'll try using RO, and see what it does. I'm also adding some organic gypsum to the BRF. Getting excited to try this out! Sorry for the short fuse earlier, I'll try to keep things professional. Thanks for the help all! I'll let you know what happens.

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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Morc]
    #16289057 - 05/26/12 06:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So I picked up a PC, finished my glove box, and drilled my FC. Made up the BRF, and had a bunch left over after filling my 5- 1/2 pint jars. Following the tek of 2 cups verm, 1 cup water, 1 cup BRF, and a TBS of Gypsum I had some mix left over, is this normal? What is the proper amounts to achieve less waste? Can I save the presterilized mix, and use it later by adding some water prior to PCing? How should I store it in a ziplock in the fridge? Cool dark place? Thanks for any help on this.So now I have 5 sterilized jars ready to get knocked up later this coming week! Stoked!

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Re: Pf tek done right [Re: Morc]
    #16289087 - 05/26/12 06:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I achieve less waste by making my jars substrate 1-2 sometimes 3 at a time. My extra substrate ends up in the garbage where it belongs.

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