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OfflineOmegaRed
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Outdoor cultivation in a flower pot??
    #1620906 - 06/09/03 03:53 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I have some contaminated cakes, and would like to chuck them outside just to see if I can get anything. Would planting them in a flower planter (roughly 2 feet long by 9 inches across) give you the same results as planting them in the ground?


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Re: Outdoor cultivation in a flower pot?? [Re: OmegaRed]
    #1620957 - 06/09/03 04:08 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Even if you got something, you sure you want to eat off contaminated cakes? The fact that mushrooms grow from the cakes doesn't mean they're edible -they could have sucked in toxins produced by the contaminants.


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Edited by ummikko (06/09/03 04:08 PM)


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Re: Outdoor cultivation in a flower pot?? [Re: ummikko]
    #1620962 - 06/09/03 04:10 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

ummiko is damned right. Not only that, but if the cakes have wetspot, and then you bury them... the mind bogles. Suffice to say some innocent victim will disturb the flower pot and be greeted by a festering stink the like of which cannot be imagined...

And you could also die from eating mushrooms grown from contaminated cakes.


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    #1621005 - 06/09/03 04:22 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Outdoor cultivation in a flower pot?? [Re: ]
    #1621111 - 06/09/03 05:03 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

With respect paradis, it seems a little ambitious to eliminate contamination by cutting it off. I mean, people pressure cook and sterilise and use ethylated alcohol and plastic gloeves, and all they need to do is cut off the contamination? The point is, if you wanted to start an outdoor patch, you would most likely use uncontaminated colonised cakes that have stopped fruiting, not mold ridden festering shit.


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    #1621421 - 06/09/03 06:47 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)



Edited by paradis (06/09/03 06:56 PM)


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Re: Outdoor cultivation in a flower pot?? [Re: ]
    #1621441 - 06/09/03 06:53 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

People have been eating mushrooms grown naturally outside for centuries. Those mushrooms grow right along side of many many contaminates. Mother nature has her way of making things balance out. Just remove as much contamination as you can, remembering not get it on yourself or in you, and follow Moe's tek.


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Re: Outdoor cultivation in a flower pot?? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #1623406 - 06/10/03 11:58 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah ekstaze, if the mushrooms grow outside then the natural balance of contaminants in competition with each other means there is no risk to the consumer, but, if the cakes were incubated in a semi-sterile environment, with no competing contaminants, then, because the situation is profoundly unnatural, the levels and competitive advantage of the contamination that was incubated inside do pose a significant risk. And to answer paradis, no, I don't cultivate mushrooms outside, and never have. That wasn't my point... I was simply pointing out that cultivating the cakes in the way you described would pose a significant health risk.


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Re: Outdoor cultivation in a flower pot?? [Re: OJK]
    #1623565 - 06/10/03 01:41 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with Ekstaza. People have eaten 'natural' mushrooms for years, only risking poisoning in cases of mis-identification.

Odiumjunkie, I really believe that if the original poster creates an outdoor patch, either in a planting pot, either somehwere in his garden, the mushrooms (IF there will be any shrooms, that is) will be perfectly edible. THe only question is: will the mycelium be able to compete with the contams in its new natural environment? I just wouldn't worry about toxins absorbed into the shrooms from its environment. As Ekstaze pointed out: this would happen in normal natural situations too, but apparently, it doesn't.

My advice to the original poster:
Tuck the contaminated cakes into a shallow grave on a shady, humid spot. Most likely, no shrooms will grow there. But perhaps you're lucky, and you'll grow some perfect shrooms.


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Re: Outdoor cultivation in a flower pot?? [Re: ]
    #1623983 - 06/10/03 05:03 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

OK, I'll take your word for it, but how does a peroxide dipping deal with contamination inside the cake? (as oppose to on the surface, where it will come into contact with the peroxide)


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Re: Outdoor cultivation in a flower pot?? [Re: OJK]
    #1623993 - 06/10/03 05:07 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

You could maybe let it soak for a minute or two. Dipping doesn't have to be in and out quickly.


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Re: Outdoor cultivation in a flower pot?? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #1624001 - 06/10/03 05:10 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds good. I might give it a shot.

But if I die, you'll be sorry...


Edited by Odiumjunkie (06/10/03 05:10 PM)


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Re: Outdoor cultivation in a flower pot?? [Re: OJK]
    #1624010 - 06/10/03 05:14 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'll be surprised, but I probably will never know if you die. :grin:

Seriously dude you'll be fine unless you eat the stuff you scrape off before you put it in the ground.

Another thing to think about is that not every effort to save a contaminated cake by putting it outside will work. Sometimes it just doesn't take.


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