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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: PDU]
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I, like everyone else, am not quite sure what makes a person trip 'harder' at one time compared to another. 7-8 grams dried (fat quarters) are what I take when I try to trip hard, but my most intense trips where twice on 3 grams and once on 5 grams. why? different strains? different environments? mental states? no one really knows.

I think that it has to do mostly with experience/ life events.

I'll tell you that what happens when you really get off is alot weirder than you can possibly expect before hand, so it doesn't do all that much good to 'prepare' yourself. Having a sitter or going to the countryside won't keep you from hurting yourself if you can't handle it.

It's all about wanting to learn, ergo keeping your wits about you- - not necessarily in a real world kind of way, but going with the flow of the trip while still trying to comprehend the significance of what's going on. After you've forgotten that you've taken a drug, forgotten who you are, what you are, etc, all you have is either a desire to understand or a desire to stop understanding, i.e death.

You'll likely communicate with some kind of ethereal entities, some kind and some cruel. You might find your 'darker' half step out of your body and mock you. you may find yourself surfing on the energy pathway of the universe. you may talk to real people who you love but are gone.

whatever happens, at least in my experience, it doesn't happen again, so make sure that you are cogent enough to construct some kind of story out of the experience, with a somewhat clear structure - this is so you can find a resolution at the end. If not, you'll turn into a babbering moron instead of an at peace holy man. Either way, moron or peaceful, it'll wear off over time, so all you'll really have is the memory, so if you want something lasting, it'll have to be a story that tells about what you found - - in essence, a personal supplement to faith.


So.... eat away, if you live at home with the parents, start tripping at 12 - whatever happens, you'll be out of it enough not to freak anyone out by 5-6. you might still be technically "tripping" till 7-8-9, but compared to the crazy peak, you'll feel normal.


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The ultimate meaning of our being can only be fulfilled in the paradoxical leap beyond the tragic-demonic frustration. It is a leap from our side, but it is the self-surrendering presence of the Ground of Being from the other side.
- Paul Tillich

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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Malachi]
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The most I've ever dosed for a single shroom trip was 9.5 grams of freshly dried Mazatapec powder. I experienced complete ego loss and was "gone" for at least two hours of the trip. During the blow up, however, I got really nauseated and had to puke. That's the only time I got sick to my stomach on cubensis. After puking I simply drew a hot bath and crawled in to soak and ride out the trip. Was home alone...dosed at 11:30pm...puked around 1am...came "back" around 3am and remained completely at peace with myself and my surroundings in the bathroom until 5:30am. I could have done without the rough experience of getting sick while tripping that hard...but once I puked, the rest of the experience was pure bliss. The calm abiding I experienced once I returned from ego loss was beyond words and only meditators and trippers who have been there can understand...I also resolved several internal issues that night regarding my relationship to my Mother and really developed a profound love for her that night. It was the best shroom trip of my life.

Happy dosing...and as with all things in life, be safe, make informed decisions and respect yourself.

Love & Light,

Boppity

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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: Xlea321]
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"Why would Leary lie about people being unable to distuingish between 250 and 2000ug?"

You don't seem to take into consideration that maybe the people lied to leary. (Not wanting to admit it hit them so hard... recently I started smoking pot again after about a year off. Having no tolerance, I just find the natural thing to do is try to hide how blazed I am from my friends with huge tolerances.)

Or the possibility of a reverse placebo effect.

This experiment would be much better if people were given two doses on different days and not told which was which.


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"A nation's hope of lasting peace cannot be firmly based upon any race in armaments but rather upon just relations and honest understanding with all other nations...

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed... The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. We pay for a single fighter with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people..."

President Dwight Eisenhower, 1953

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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: PDU]
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That is a false statement!

I can tell you very good that a 3g, 5g, 7g, 9g, etc trip is progressively getting MUCH heavier.


The point Alex123 is making is that the subjects were taking these doses blind. If you didn't know how many mushrooms you were taking, or truly believed you were only taking the equivalent of psilocin extracted from 5g but were actually given 25g worth, you might not notice. It is possible that simply because you knew you were taking a larger dose, that the trip got more intense.

Even more to the point though, Alex123 did not specify an upper limit of mushroom doses. Perhaps the effects plateau at 30g dry.

My opinion is that this person should not take this dose alone. Have a trip sitter.

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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: PDU]
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Pardon my last reply, I notice that Alex123 did suggest the upper limit. I do not support his claims, but I accept the point he is trying to make as valid.

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Re: What can happen on high dosages? [Re: thelox]
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Why don't we say it's subjective and leave it at that.




That thought alone could end conversation as we know it!


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