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Shiitake problem or not
    #16185791 - 05/05/12 11:50 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Hello folks of Shroomery .
i've spend the day to find any shrooms forum and found one i hope .
I grow Shiitake ,actually i'm starting with the thing ,with around 200 bags - 30 that gone bad in the process ,i already have the first 10 mushrooms or so ,but i'm a bit confused and figured i'll look for some help online as it is really something i'm starting and have very little literature about .. anyway ,the bags seem to be on a hold ,in a way ,i don't know what i'm missing there ,there is lot of humidity but not much light (i also use 2 neon lights for it ) ,6 from the sawdust bags turned completely brown and the look alike little mushrooms on them are like rotting ,look no good ,some gray color even ,the other bags are good for now before they were really as in pictures white and looked healthy ,now they are on a hold a bit , maybe i'm rushing too as it's my first time with this .. the other bags were white and now i see them slowly turning brown , i spray water only around the bags and not directly on the bags themselves - is this ok ? i have airconditioner there too so i change the air from time to time ,once a day sometimes less .. the whole process up until now has been going perfect and i'm even surprised i made it so far ,now i have doubts if there will be enough shrooms ,the bagс аре around 2 kg of sawdust mixture with ароунд 10% wheat
Any help is welcome ,always want to learn more about them ,sorry for not browsing the whole forum as this must have been answered before , but it seemed that the forum is huge so ..
Thanks a lot :smile:
and have a great psychodelic day
Vlad


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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: vladosh]
    #16186059 - 05/05/12 01:05 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

No one ? :/
anyway thanks ,good evening and all ... i'm making my first shiitake dinner :laugh:


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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: vladosh]
    #16186085 - 05/05/12 01:11 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

You don't spray any water on or near the bags during colonization or browning. Keep them dry.  It will take about 2 to 2 1/2 months to colonize and brown properly for fruiting.

10% wheat bran is probably too much.  If you get mutants or large stems and tiny caps, it's probably from too much bran.
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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #16186197 - 05/05/12 01:41 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks Roger for reply :smile:
i was not much clear in my post i know ,they turned all white first like in the pic in this post http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3776423 ; , all popcorn and really big ,and then by the instructions we had we drowned them in water for 24 hours ,and they began to fruit ,i already got the first mushrooms and they are really tasty ..really happy about that , but seems like i'm missing something still cause many of the bags are slow ,kind of ,how much light would i need for them that is what i'm wondering , i have two small ultra - neon lights cause my basement doesn't have much light ,they are browning now , that is my impression ,you say at this point i should keep the humidity down ?
Thanks alot again for the answer
it really helps
have a great evening
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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: vladosh]
    #16189325 - 05/06/12 07:12 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Shiitake want bright light during the daytime for fruiting, and require normal indoor ambient light during colonization for best results.

Regardless of what you read in any instructions, shiitake in sawdust blocks should never be soaked more than an hour or two.  24 is far too long.  Lift the blocks up so you can judge moisture content by the weight.  I suspect they'll be heavy from too much water, and that explains the poor performance.
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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #16189809 - 05/06/12 10:11 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks ,that explains it i guess ,in meantime i let more air ,cooled down the space a bit ,and let the moisture out ,hopefully i didn't damaged them much , all of the bags have bog popcorns out ,these are no longer pop corns i suppose as they are big ,and the bags turned nice brown ,i wonder can i expect more mushrooms ,in between i found the book somewhere in this section of the forum about shiitake and it explains well my mistake ,i should not keep high moisture in the basement until they turn nicely brown , am i right ? it was too much for them ,anyhow by now i already have some shrooms and they are really tasty ,it takes time to learn everything i guess ,thanks for the help !
Greetings
Vlad


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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: vladosh]
    #16189982 - 05/06/12 11:15 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

welcome to the forum Vlad. keep us posted and we need pictures :smile:


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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: madadi]
    #16193563 - 05/07/12 04:51 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks madadi , my camera broke down some time ago but i'll find a way to take some pics and share what is going on downstairs .
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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: vladosh]
    #16200822 - 05/08/12 05:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Roger Rabbit is totally correct and you can not go wrong with his advise.

After reading your posts you refer to your logs as bags.  This maybe a irrelevant question but have you removed the bags when you soaked them? If not I would suggest you do.  Some times things get lost in the directions.

I used to grow a lot of button mushrooms and still continue to grow  some white button mushrooms.  When I started to grow Shiitake in 1984 no one mentioned in the research papers that the logs form a bark.  I was horrified to see the logs turning brown.  I was taking a huge knife and cutting it off to try and save the logs.  Finally called Penn State to find out what I was doing wrong. (Agaricus mycellium does not turn brown.)

Well, found out that they were doing what they were supposed to do.  Totally, upset I went thru all the published papers I had copied from the Kneebone collection at Penn State.  I could not find any where in those papers where it said the logs form a bark and turned brown. 

I just had to laugh at myself.  I thought those babies were dying.

So my advise to you is to read the posts here every day.  I love the cool ideas that the community comes up with.  You will get a ton of ideas here.

I like to say that growing mushrooms is the ultimate throw of dice.  Especially if you try to make a living from it.

Good luck with the Shiitake and welcome to the forums.


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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #16216822 - 05/11/12 08:22 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Hello all, I'm tagging this on because it's a recent thread about moisture among other things.

And I was reading about how to handle shiitake blocks in between flushes and I got a bit confused.

My shiitake blocks of alder sawdust and wood chips are about ready to be pulled out of the fruiting chamber..they have flushed once.

I was planning on letting the blocks dry out, maybe outside (I'm up around Seattle) but I was also planning to rinse them every day to keep the mold spores off.

These two actions (leaving outside a fruiting chamber and rinsing them daily) aren't contradictory, correct?

And leaving them outside, do they not pick up any bugs, perhaps laying eggs?  I'll be bringing them back inside to my fruiting chamber and would hate to create an infestation.


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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: shubrick]
    #16218537 - 05/12/12 06:16 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Greetings again , didn't saw the new replies ,and thanks for the welcome ,i'm expecting to get some pics in meantime and i'll share my experience ,i left more air in the basement and kept them without additional water for 2 days now and already there are some new mushrooms coming out i think i will not add moisture for another day to see how it goes ,the basement itself is humid and i can see the floor of it is still wet from the days before ,there were some rotten mushrooms or just big pop corns that started to rot i see on a few of them there was some bacteria so i clean them out ,i hope it'll turn out good ,btw i see there is a diy subforum here ,i'm a die hard diy-er :laugh: been building a synth for the last two years ,can't wait to take a look what is in there ,been looking at diy drier to dry out mushrooms ,but i'm not really certain about it as i would like them to keep their proteins and all good they have ,anyway have a good day everyone
Vlad


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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: vladosh]
    #16218555 - 05/12/12 06:22 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

The most weird things are those like popcorns some are big white as my hand ,those are leftovers from before ,i don't understand what they are ,those are not mushrooms i suppose .. ?


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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: vladosh]
    #16224945 - 05/13/12 02:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Hello folks here are some pics i said i'll post ,you can see some of those white pops turned even yellow and rotten i cut most of it these days as it was attracting bacteria ,anyway i guess it's a process to learn it ,i was reading the handbook from this site and trying to understand the cycle i guess according to that a bit dark now and again won't hurt them too , at moments i'm a bit lost and not sure whatis going on , you can also see on one there are some shrooms too ,anyway ,have a great evening everyone and thanks for helping out
vlad
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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: vladosh]
    #16225021 - 05/13/12 03:00 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I am thinking that you have a too-nutritious substrate there.

What recipe did you use?

Good luck,

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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: Javadog]
    #16225058 - 05/13/12 03:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Hi Javadog , unfortunately i have no answer to that i simply bought 30 kg or so with ready-made spawn ,after that i only steralised sawdust and up to 7% or so wheat and mixed all that ,the 30 kg spawn were distributed 10% spawn and 90% sawdust and wheat .I have yet to learn how to make my own spawn ..


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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: vladosh]
    #16225119 - 05/13/12 03:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

No worries. 

I would still concern myself on the supplements issue.

It has been seen that even just the spawn grains themselves are a
"supplement" and can affect the mutation of Shitake fruits.

Try plain sawdust, and do not use more that a cup of spawn per gallon of sub.
(these numbers are ballpark....EM did a closer analysis and may comment)

Good luck,

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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: Javadog]
    #16225165 - 05/13/12 03:43 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks , i hope they will get better now that we cut all the rotten pop corns removed all bacteria i see many new mushrooms coming out , the thing is i should learn the real chemical process behind it ,tho chemistry is not my think but anyway ,it's crucial to understand what actually is going on there


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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: vladosh]
    #16226578 - 05/13/12 09:28 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Your blocks need a really good rinse with water when you take them out of the bags.  Be sure to rinse all the metabolites and loose substrate off.  Pick those mutant fruits off as soon as you see them so they don't consume energy from the substrate.  Next time, use 1/2 the amount of bran in your sawdust.
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Re: Shiitake problem or not [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #16227550 - 05/14/12 02:24 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks Roger , i just see now your web page ,that web page actually got me thinking about growing mushrooms in first place ,thanks for making all those videos!
I was gonna ask , what you think folks i should do now to get best fruiting out these bags ,there are 200 of them it's not something to throw away , my question is do you think they need lot of moisture at this point ,and also lot of air ? i have around 50lux of light in there , is there anyway to repair the damage and get a descent quantity of shrooms ?
thanks a lot for all the help
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