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 Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape  [Re: Enlil]
#16200885 - 05/08/12 05:50 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Rest assured, in most states, evidence of sexual history is generally not admissible except in certain limited cases...
I'm aware of this restriction, but that is only in a COURTROOM setting where it is not legally admissible. The police are still free to use a victim's sexual history in determining whether a rape is even worthy of prosecution.
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: zappaisgod]
#16202882 - 05/08/12 11:55 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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A (supposed) lawyer pWned by a pole dancer. Priceless.
I think it's pointless to continue.
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#16203169 - 05/09/12 01:40 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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A (supposed) lawyer pWned by a pole dancer. Priceless.
I think it's pointless to continue.
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Crystal G]
#16203365 - 05/09/12 03:19 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quoting Enlil, out of context, in your signature is bad form, since it's very easy to ascribe to him the wrong meaning without the context. You might consider taking it out or adding his context in if you do not want to appear intellectually dishonest.
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: fireworks_god]
#16203484 - 05/09/12 05:13 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quoting Enlil, out of context, in your signature is bad form, since it's very easy to ascribe to him the wrong meaning without the context. You might consider taking it out or adding his context in if you do not want to appear intellectually dishonest.
Intellectual dishonesty is her stock-in-trade on these forums...I have broad shoulders. Here's some more intellectual dishonesty:
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The police are still free to use a victim's sexual history in determining whether a rape is even worthy of prosecution
When she is fully aware that the police do not decide what gets prosecuted and what doesn't.
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Enlil]
#16203936 - 05/09/12 09:09 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Actually I originally added that in before enlil explained why he said it. I'm on my mobile now, so ill have to edit it out later.
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Crystal G]
#16204340 - 05/09/12 11:21 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ahh, cool, good form.  
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Crystal G]
#16209488 - 05/10/12 11:17 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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So in this situation wouldn't you say the unfairness is to the person being charged with a crime that was perpetrated months before? The court will never have sympathy for someone that rapes another person.
What the fuck? You hear about a rape that happened months earlier, and your first instinct is to sympathize with the RAPIST, simply because a few months passed in between the time of the crime? Right, because the person we should identify with and feel sorry for is the rapist and not the victim...? Again, what the flying fuck?
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This person clearly should have come out with it right forward, and then if no action could be taken, they should have left.
What the fuck is your fucking problem? You're marginalizing ALL rape victims and telling them exactly the "RIGHT" way to act after they've been raped. As if there even IS a "right" way to act. And furthermore, if there WAS a right way to act, I highly doubt YOU of all people who has made some of the most insensitive comments about rape in this thread, would have first-hand knowledge about the "right" thing to do.
No. You don't get to have that right of telling rape victims how THEY should behave. Why the fuck should they have to leave if they don't want to? How the hell is it even her fucking fault that she got raped? Why should SHE have to leave?
I'm sorry to lose my shit on you, but you are having the exact same victim-blaming and victim-shaming attitude that you yourself CLAIM to be against.
WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM??!?!? YOU DON'T READ A DAMN THING I SAY!! I HAVE NO SYMPATHY WITH A RAPIST!!
Crime is hard to prove!! I've known MANY people who were friends involved in crime, and they got away with it many times because other people WOULDN'T REPORT ANYTHING THEN MONTH LATER WOULD GO TO THE COPS. Is that NOT THE MOST RETARDED CONCEPT EVER??! So you are raped, and not strong enough to force someone off you. Fucking A, now you have enough sympathy to get help from people who are obligated under law to help you, all you HAVE TO DO IS REPORT it, but now I get you in my face because I don't agree with you??! Fuck off! I have my own opinion, why don't you quote how many times I said "I DON'T SYMPATHIZE WITH RAPISTS!" Did I NOT SAY IT even ONCE??! Fucking A!!
They may have their own dedication, right? According to wolverine? Well guess what god expects you to be strong, there is no place for weak people on gods earth. Sorry. A religion that expects a woman to be submissive? Or wait, what did he mean by that? I am simply saying, in the eyes of the court, without evidence a proper trial cannot be help. Things get so much worst without reporting something at all. I am not going to lie and tell you I agree with you to make you happy. Sorry
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Crystal G]
#16209595 - 05/10/12 11:38 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Way to skew the statistics, those are rape cases that go to COURT. You know full well the district attorney isn't going to waste their time prosecuting a rape if the victim has had too many sexual partners, or if she was drunk, or didn't see her attacker well, or if there's other flimsy evidence that won't generate a successful prosecution.
If you are counting all rapes that have been REPORTED (not just ones that go to court), only 10% or so end up in a conviction.
It doesn't take a mathematician to figure it out logically... 100% chance of hurting my military career if I report the rape, 10% chance me reporting the rape will be even worthwhile. I'm not at all surprised at the choices some of these women make.
and it is their choice to make them. The worst thing possible is the idea that they couldn't voice them self. They always should be able to. And always should. The district attorney maybe should make better choices. But if no evidence is available to convict someone, because they didn't come forward soon enough, then nothing could be done, whether the district attorney is an unfair ass hole or not.
If I went to your place and we got drunk, and I left, and no one knew if we get it on or not, then 3 months later you say I raped you, and no evidence is present, what would you think if you were the judge? Isn't it just a little bit weird? Thank you for understanding both points of views. I cannot agree with you and simply say rape is wrong and dammit a woman can come out four years later and claim rape. In the eyes of the court if no evidence is present, how can you convict me if I've done nothing to you?
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: zappaisgod]
#16209653 - 05/10/12 11:55 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm still waiting to hear the difference between the two. Crystal seems to think that it's okay not to report a crime despite having a duty to do so because in some cases reporting has negative consequences...
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Well, in some cases, failing to consent has negative consequences that can be avoided by consenting...so why not take it one step further toward harm reduction?
I don't think you quite appreciate the affection that women have for their vaginas. Set aside the potential for personal vigilante vengeance, which you lose claim to by consenting, how would you react if Lexington Steele decided that he absolutely had to have full and unfettered access to your rectum? Whenever he wanted it?
dude sometimes I hate you, and sometimes you are awesome!
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: imachavel]
#16210593 - 05/10/12 03:40 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: zappaisgod]
#16210854 - 05/10/12 04:35 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are you awesome?
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Icelander]
#16210988 - 05/10/12 05:05 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Always.
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: zappaisgod]
#16210994 - 05/10/12 05:07 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: zappaisgod]
#16211441 - 05/10/12 06:43 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Always.
Thanks for the information
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Icelander]
#16219639 - 05/12/12 12:51 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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it's not as though I'm calling crystal G a complete liar
Victoria Lindsay
remember her? 16 year old chick who got beat the fuck out of on face book, but for 30 minutes, and video taped. The judge took one look at the girls who did it, little freshman at a red neck po dunk school(I only live about 100 miles from lakeland), and decided to give them each 1 year of probation instead of 8 years in prison each. It was basically attempted murder, and blackmail, etc.
The judge didn't want to see the little bitches gang raped by big gang banging hoes in prison. Sometimes people don't get tried, I'm just saying who the fuck in the world gets raped and does nothing, mentions nothing, etc.? Fairly retarded. Who would believe them months later when so many good cases get thrown out with no evidence or a soft judge. Those chicks just got a lucky judge in Miami dade they'd be getting dildo raped by big gang chicks right about now(see how I didn't get racist?  )
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: imachavel]
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Crystal G]
#16266565 - 05/22/12 07:26 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm shocked.
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Icelander]
#16271705 - 05/23/12 05:42 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't want to derail my own thread. But speaking about trusting the military, how can you get raped and not come forward? The military is made of a bunch of fucking snakes and backstabbing wolverines. You know how many murders they've covered up in the middle east? Not even ones they've committed, but actual assassinations of Taliban members. They find a beheading video and don't release it. Now I'm I understand not releasing videos like that for the sake of the family.
But shit like finding the family member beheaded, telling no one, making an assassination, then saying "oh we just found the body." That's fucked up man, if I was in the military and was grazed by another platoon member, I'd feel I had to report it. Then again, being in the military is probably a bit more like being in jail, if a platoon member gazes at you, you better knock him out, fast. Or get no respect. You got to go into combat with these guys. Go to war, if you get pushed around in training, chances are in combat situations when you are murdering people you will get pushed around. And man, that's the last place you want to get kicked around and shit.
So speaking of, as much as I hate to say it, you get raped in the military, you better at least ask for a transfer, and make something up. I guess I'm beating a dead horse here 
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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: imachavel]
#16271714 - 05/23/12 05:47 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't want to derail my own thread. But speaking about trusting the military, how can you get raped and not come forward? The military is made of a bunch of fucking snakes and backstabbing wolverines. You know how many murders they've covered up in the middle east? Not even ones they've committed, but actual assassinations of Taliban members. They find a beheading video and don't release it. Now I'm I understand not releasing videos like that for the sake of the family.
But shit like finding the family member beheaded, telling no one, making an assassination, then saying "oh we just found the body." That's fucked up man, if I was in the military and was grazed by another platoon member, I'd feel I had to report it. Then again, being in the military is probably a bit more like being in jail, if a platoon member gazes at you, you better knock him out, fast. Or get no respect. You got to go into combat with these guys. Go to war, if you get pushed around in training, chances are in combat situations when you are murdering people you will get pushed around. And man, that's the last place you want to get kicked around and shit.
So speaking of, as much as I hate to say it, you get raped in the military, you better at least ask for a transfer, and make something up. I guess I'm beating a dead horse here
Uhh, that's sort of the whole point and precisely what the liberals are trying to change about the military. Because currently when a rape victim reports a rape, the military does not transfer them and forces them to work in the same platoon around the same people. Which is precisely why a lot of people don't want to come out and report the rape and make it public.
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