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Galidor4
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Twist and pull v.s cutting 1
#16207100 - 05/09/12 09:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hokay so,
I had my first harvest two weeks ago and my second today. I've read a lot of mixed messages about whether to twist and pull or to cut them off. Both sides make good arguments and now I have mine. The first flush I cut them off and it's caused me a lot of trouble. I found that the stumps do indeed rot if you leave them. Luckily I caught it early but they we're green and nasty on the inside and I even tossed a cake today because of it. I know that my experience doesn't dictate actuality but I hadn't read anywhere that gave proof to the stumps rotting, so I wanna be that evidence. IMO, twist and pull.
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Re: Twist and pull v.s cutting [Re: Galidor4] 1
#16207851 - 05/09/12 11:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It depends for me. Sometimes with little effort you can twist and pull and it will break cleanly from the wall of the cake. Other times you'll pull a huge root clump right out of the substrate. So if it feels like it's coming from deep I'll clip it with scissors right at the base.
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Re: Twist and pull v.s cutting [Re: carnage11] 1
#16207879 - 05/09/12 11:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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When I was doing cakes, I would slice them off at the base only cuz twist and pull practically ripped off a big crater in them.
Bulk grows were easier to do. Especially side pinning, whereas all I had to do was push them side to side with a slight pull and it just slides right off
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Re: Twist and pull v.s cutting [Re: blackhawk] 1
#16207903 - 05/09/12 11:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know im still a noob here, but twist and pull is better IMO. I grew in a monotob so it didnt really make craters if i twisted enough.
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Re: Twist and pull v.s cutting [Re: Whois] 1
#16207923 - 05/09/12 11:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Count me in on the twist and pull side. I also try to limit finger contact; Ideally, only two spots would be touched. This is done for aesthetic and the potential of bluing to be the oxidation of psilocybin (and the potential of that to be a potency drop.
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Re: Twist and pull v.s cutting [Re: Whois] 2
#16207933 - 05/09/12 11:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have seen RR talk about this so many times...poor guy probably gets tired of it. The stumps weren't rotting and pulling chunks of substrate out is pretty much sending out an open invitation for contams. If you don't want a 2nd flush, then whatever, but I think the fruits are easier to deal with when cut...they don't have coir and verm hanging off of them making a mess. Overall just a better process, but wait for someone more experienced to chime in I guess?
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Re: Twist and pull v.s cutting [Re: Shroom_Goon] 1
#16207946 - 05/09/12 11:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroom_Goon said: I have seen RR talk about this so many times...poor guy probably gets tired of it. The stumps weren't rotting and pulling chunks of substrate out is pretty much sending out an open invitation for contams. If you don't want a 2nd flush, then whatever, but I think the fruits are easier to deal with when cut...they don't have coir and verm hanging off of them making a mess. Overall just a better process, but wait for someone more experienced to chime in I guess?
I find that with substrate still attached to the stipe to come right off after drying, with no bluing or any such stuff, ends up with nice, very clean mushies.
It has just been very effective (twist and pull) in my experience.
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Re: Twist and pull v.s cutting [Re: Thadeous] 1
#16207958 - 05/09/12 11:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well to each his own, do what works for you!
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Re: Twist and pull v.s cutting [Re: Galidor4] 2
#16207976 - 05/09/12 11:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Galidor4 said: Hokay so,
I had my first harvest two weeks ago and my second today. I've read a lot of mixed messages about whether to twist and pull or to cut them off. Both sides make good arguments and now I have mine. The first flush I cut them off and it's caused me a lot of trouble. I found that the stumps do indeed rot if you leave them. Luckily I caught it early but they we're green and nasty on the inside and I even tossed a cake today because of it. I know that my experience doesn't dictate actuality but I hadn't read anywhere that gave proof to the stumps rotting, so I wanna be that evidence. IMO, twist and pull.
I'm not sure why you experienced rotting 'cause I've been cutting at the base of all my shrooms and I have yet to see any kind of rot going on. All that ends up happening is they turn a bluish color and the mycelium would just grow over it. I've had pins form on the stumps.
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Galidor4
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I had green shit all up in the stumps.
If you're twisting and pulling and more than just the fruit is coming with it IMO that sounds like harvesting too early. ALL of the ones I twisted and pulled came off without any hesitation.
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Re: Twist and pull v.s cutting [Re: Galidor4] 1
#16208023 - 05/10/12 12:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Galidor4 said: I had green shit all up in the stumps.
When this happened, it didn't contam the whole tub?
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I'm not sure, it's only been a day, not even. But I didn't cut the stubs off in the tub. I took it out first.
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Re: Twist and pull v.s cutting [Re: Galidor4] 1
#16208047 - 05/10/12 12:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mine turned a bit greenish/blue but then a few days latter, the mycelium would start to grow on it and it ended up being fine. My tub is on it fourth (and finale) flush and the only stumps I see are from the last ones I cut from the sub. the other I can't even tell really where they were.
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Shroom_Goon
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They don't rot guys.
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Re: Twist and pull v.s cutting [Re: Shroom_Goon] 2
#16208503 - 05/10/12 03:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cut. The stumps have never rotted on me, even after taking a tub into 7 flushes. Two reasons I prefer this method.
1) It doesn't crater the substrate which can allow contamination.
2) I don't have to clean coir/verm off the stem bases for hours.
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in commercial mushroom farms. for buttons anyway, we have to use the twist pull method. Mainly because cutting it would leave a stump which will rot and invite all kinds of foreigners to move in. Which is the worst thing that could(and sometimes does) happen.
As for cubes. I use the same method.
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Re: Twist and pull v.s cutting [Re: kenny] 1
#16208677 - 05/10/12 05:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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kenny said: in commercial mushroom farms. for buttons anyway, we have to use the twist pull method. Mainly because cutting it would leave a stump which will rot and invite all kinds of foreigners to move in. Which is the worst thing that could(and sometimes does) happen.
As for cubes. I use the same method.
I have a hard time buying that.
One stumps don't rot, they are just the outer surface of the mycelial mat. I would think ripping it off would expose the inner growth to contaminants more than a clean cut would.
Two many commercial button growers use a curve bladed knife designed for cutting said mushrooms.
http://www.greenfingers.com/superstore/product.asp?dept_id=200573&pf_id=LS9488D
That's a link to a similar knife.
Back in the day I used to twist and pull, but after following the advice of more experienced growers i found the error in my ways. Some strains release easily but the risk of tearing the substrate isn't worth it.
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Re: Twist and pull v.s cutting [Re: clueless] 1
#16208703 - 05/10/12 06:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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We do use knives not to dissimilar from the one you linked. However we use it to cut the base of the stipe along with any substrate clinging to it. After picking the mushroom.
I wont argue the point beyond that. I'm only an amateur grower who happens to work at a commercial farm. Just thought it worth sharing what I have been taught.
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Re: Twist and pull v.s cutting [Re: Galidor4] 2
#16208895 - 05/10/12 06:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: I'm sick to tears of rank noobs pretending to know shit from shinola.
Commercial farms don't rip out large chunks of substrate(which DOES invite molds) to harvest mushrooms, and then cut them a second time to remove the debris. If they did, they'd never make a dime selling their product at less than $2/pound wholesale.
Cut mushrooms off at the base, and if anyone tells you the leftover stump is going to rot in the two to three weeks the substrate has left to live anyway, just know they're an idiot with no experience whatever. RR
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