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1st grow doesnt fruit
    #16204053 - 05/09/12 09:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hello there. This is a picture of my 1st grow. Its a PESA strain on a BRF substrate, rolled in vermiculite. It is already 9 days in fruiting conditions but has not started to show any pinning yet.
Instead it has grown quite dense but also fluffy and spikey mycelium

Im FAE-ing about 2 times a day at average and misting the free parts of perlite always trying to avoid direct contact with the mycelium. The weight of both substrate lumps is around 2.5 pounds in total.


Am I doing sth wrong here or is it just bad luck?

This is the stuff around day 4 in fruiting conditions


This is the stuff as of today ( day 9 )





Any Ideas?

btw hello everybody :smile:

Edited by gnorlock (05/09/12 09:53 AM)

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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: gnorlock]
    #16204066 - 05/09/12 09:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

its cool dude.

ive found your problem.


you didnt stick to a tek.

click pf tek done right.

and then click proper sgfc.

and then move those blocks of whaetever into a proper SGFC


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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: k00laid]
    #16204111 - 05/09/12 10:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Also, I think he is saying they aren't getting enough fresh air exchange.    Your mycelium is telling you its loving the conditions its in, as it is growing and not pinning.  On the plus side, your extra 9 days of consolidation/myc growth will eventually translate, I predict, into some decent mushrooms.

Now go knock out a SGFC or some derivative thereof!

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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: k00laid]
    #16204118 - 05/09/12 10:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

what he said ^


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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: Thadeous]
    #16204124 - 05/09/12 10:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Leave the top off for a while....patience is the key to this so just wait. It looks healthy so I would bet you'll get some fruits soon.:mushroom2:

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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: Thadeous]
    #16204125 - 05/09/12 10:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Thadeous said:
Also, I think he is saying they aren't getting enough fresh air exchange.




:teehee:

indeed


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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: k00laid]
    #16204148 - 05/09/12 10:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Aye Sirs!

On my way to the next home depot to buy the necessaries.

It's basically only a bigger plastic box with holes in it and more perlite on the ground, right?

Do I have to cover the holes in the box with something filtery like tyvex or sth?

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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: Thadeous]
    #16204157 - 05/09/12 10:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Thadeous said:
:whathesaid:

Also, I think he is saying they aren't getting enough fresh air exchange.    Your mycelium is telling you its loving the conditions its in, as it is growing and not pinning.  On the plus side, your extra 9 days of consolidation/myc growth will eventually translate, I predict, into some decent mushrooms.

Now go knock out a SGFC or some derivative thereof!




what this guy said


you can see you mycelium is still growing
just one day gave a noticable change

fea and evaporation is your two main pinning triggers
with no wholes and no fea the myc will keep growing
it will pinn eventualy but will take awhile


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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: gnorlock]
    #16204170 - 05/09/12 10:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Careful not to crack your tub with too much pressure whilst drilling.  I've done that a few times.. Maybe heating up a drill bit with an alcohol lamp or something?  (never made a SGFC)

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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: Thadeous]
    #16204221 - 05/09/12 10:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

In reguards to the post above me. if you can get rubber maid cause sterilite is cheap materials and overall shitty. If you do get sterilite though, just don't apply too much pressure and you shoulod be fine. You'll make little mini cracks but that's hokay

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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: sharkeye]
    #16204229 - 05/09/12 10:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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sharkeye said:
Leave the top off for a while....patience is the key to this so just wait. It looks healthy so I would bet you'll get some fruits soon.:mushroom2:



this right here man. its doing what it does, looks healthy as shit man. keep up plenty of fresh air and humidity, looks like the humidity is good though. im positive that fruits will be popping up any time.

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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: Ill-bird]
    #16204666 - 05/09/12 01:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So should i leave it the way it is or use a bigger container with holes drilled in it and mor wet perlite on the ground?

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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: gnorlock]
    #16204704 - 05/09/12 01:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well you can leave it as it is and you might get a few shrooms.
But if I was you I'd spend a few bucks upgrading and get better results. I used a little gas powered soldering iron to make the holes in the SGFC (do it outside cause it stinks like fuck) and that worked a treat. Then 5 inches of wet perlite in the bottom (no need to wory about tyvek or anything, just the holes are cool) and that fruiting chamber will hopefully get the best results that the mushies genetics will allow :smile:

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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: keeno]
    #16204753 - 05/09/12 01:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You can use a closed tub instead of a sgfc if you are around to fan it several times a day.. That is the way I prefer to do it.  You need to fill the tub up half way with damp perlite.  You will have fruits soon.  Enjoy


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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: lsatrap]
    #16204840 - 05/09/12 01:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

there is no need for you to buy a different tub
i dont know what these people are thinking

the one ur using is fine just drill holes in that one
1/4in wholes 2in apart on all 6 sides

it will fruit as is it will just take longer and give you a smaller yeild
adding the holes will give you a better yield and faster


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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: Dazed Belief]
    #16204861 - 05/09/12 02:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

also i dont know what kind of container your using
it looks like a little food container which is fine
if the mushies get to tall just put another container on top but upside down then tape them together
just like a dub tub but a lot smaller 

your doing good so far man
its all easy stuff from here on out


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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: Dazed Belief]
    #16205014 - 05/09/12 02:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd suggest to leave your mushies where they are for now and go and purchase  a clear tub around 18-24"x 30-42" and 18"tall. That is if you plan on sticking with this hobby and making more cakes.

Look up RogerRabbit's video on making the ShotGun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC), and follow his instructions exactly. You'll get lots of compliments from Shroomery members for having such a nice SGFC if you follow the instructions correctly, and you will have an almost "automatic" fruiting system.

A few tips:

-Buy a 1/4" Forstner bit like this: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=forstner+1/4&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&ix=ucb&biw=1600&bih=1032&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=12658831200760908762&sa=X&ei=SNCqT-D6CqSN6QHV2NXNBA&ved=0CHsQ8wIwAA

It will make drilling the holes a piece a cake. No cracking and clean, fast drilling. But if all you have is a regular bit remember the advice given earlier about warming up the tub to avoid cracking (drilling in the sun). Also if you're using a regular drill bit you may also want to countersink the holes, or at least clean the plastic burs left behind with a file or something. Those plastic burs will hinder the air exchange.

-Draw a grid on the tub, using 2" intervals. This will lessen the drilling time because you will spend less time trying to figure out where the next hole has to be drilled. It will also give your box a very clean appearance.

-Use at least a 4 inch deep layer of perlite. This will insure you get above 90% humidity. 5 inches is even better.

-Remember to drill holes on ALL six sides. The lid too, and especially the bottom. Do not worry about perlite falling out. Virtually no perlite will fall out of the holes (maybe just a few pieces when you first put the perlite in). It kinda just sticks to itself.

-Raise your SGFC a few inches from the surface it sits on. Mason/canning jars work perfectly. Doing this allows air to circulate through the bottom providing a ton of humidity. Oh and don't place your chamber on the floor....there are a lot of germs down there!


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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: Chez man]
    #16213869 - 05/11/12 05:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I bought a non translucent tub with a clear lid and drilled holes in it. As I'm short on perlite I only used 5 cm of wet perlite which translates to 2 inches roughly is it really important to have 4 or 5 inches of perlite? From what I remember about convection it should not be a problem. Setup looks like this now:



Holes in all 6 sides with 1/4 inch drill, each hole 2-3 inches apart.

okay yes/no ?

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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: gnorlock]
    #16213909 - 05/11/12 06:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

www.mushroomvideos.com watch video 3 . Make the fc identical to the one he makes no short cuts no "well I will try this" and you will have success!!

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Re: 1st grow doesnt fruit [Re: gnorlock]
    #16213939 - 05/11/12 06:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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gnorlock said:
I bought a non translucent tub with a clear lid and drilled holes in it. As I'm short on perlite I only used 5 cm of wet perlite which translates to 2 inches roughly is it really important to have 4 or 5 inches of perlite? From what I remember about convection it should not be a problem. Setup looks like this now:



Holes in all 6 sides with 1/4 inch drill, each hole 2-3 inches apart.


okay yes/no ?





It will work better with more perlite, I would add some when you get more. A clear tub would have provided more light from the sides which is better for the mushrooms.

With that said, you should still get fruits.


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