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Re: this LC clone tek is bullshit [Re: Chez man]
    #16199788 - 05/08/12 12:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I was recently reading through a thread where RR states that honey is anti-fungal,




Link?

Malt kicks ass in LC. But I've had good results with honey too.
But LC is such a complete waste of time. Malt agar is just as easy to make and use and so much more likely to work.


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Re: this LC clone tek is bullshit [Re: Doc_T]
    #16199798 - 05/08/12 01:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: this LC clone tek is bullshit [Re: Doc_T]
    #16199810 - 05/08/12 01:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Don't use honey, it's anti-fungal... how do you think it preserves itself forever?




Honey diluted to an appropriate concentration will grow all kinds of fungus.

And yeah, all LC teks are bogus.
Cloning on agar doesn't take any longer, doesn't cost more, isn't any harder to do- but it's far more likely to work.

(You're right about hypodermic needles being designed not to take a chunk of flesh out though. :thumbup: )




Agree with your points here.
I understand your crusade against LC teks, but, to those just starting out and finding their new hobby's jargon totally bewildering, lc's and spore syringes seem less formidable, and, I believe, far less likely for the noob to foul up. They are also, often successful.

There's plenty of time to get into the more advanced teks, it's not like their going away any time soon. People will learn at their own speed and as they gain in confidence.
Personally, I've never yet made a PF cake, went straight to grains and bulk substrates before I'd even found a local supplier of coir, so used a mixture of farm animal manures and straw, via syringe to liquid culture. Didn't get into using agar until a long time a
later.
In fact my first attempt in '08 was a little off-putting.->

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Re: this LC clone tek is bullshit [Re: Revolutiontcm]
    #16199830 - 05/08/12 01:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Awesome, thanks for the link. :thumbup:
I'm going to respectfully disagree. Meade wouldn't be possible if honey were anti-fungal.
Either way, LC is a waste of time, so the whole discussion is somewhat pointless.

@deuced: I've seen more new growers fail because of LC than any other cause.
Spores syringes aren't necessarily clean, so shooting spores into LC is just a gamble.
I used to support it but I've seen a lot of bad grows because of LC.


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Re: this LC clone tek is bullshit [Re: Doc_T]
    #16200278 - 05/08/12 03:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Awesome, thanks for the link. :thumbup:
I'm going to respectfully disagree. Meade wouldn't be possible if honey were anti-fungal.





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Doc_T said:New age hippie bs. Honey diluted to an appropriate concentration will grow all kinds of fungus.




Mead is also made with an "appropriate" dilution of honey and water. Indeed, mead is little more than a honey LC, contaminated with yeast.:crazy2:

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Spores syringes aren't necessarily clean, so shooting spores into LC is just a gamble.





And yet people buy shed loads of spore syringes and inoculate PF jars all the time, with plenty of success story's out there.
Yes, LC's contaminate when they're done wrong but no more so I would think than first attempts with a MS to PF jar.
Many people seem to think that as with 'darkness' of spore syringes, the more the merrier, and so inoculate their LC's with too many cc's.
The more the worse be more the truth.
Inoculate LC's with no more cc's of spore than you would one hole in the PF jar, will increase the the chance of success.


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Re: this LC clone tek is bullshit [Re: Revolutiontcm]
    #16200495 - 05/08/12 04:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I read that as well




This is new; he's said it before, nor was this site the first place I learned it

Diluting the honey will make it susceptible to contamination especially from bacteria before fungi... Thinking that diluting it makes it fully hospitable to our target organism is the same as thinking that diluting your arsenic makes it not a poison anymore...


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