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    #16197431 - 05/07/12 10:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hey dudes doing my first pf tek...cannot find wide mouth 1/2 pint jars anywhere...gona use reg 1/2 pint jars is that gonna be ok???...im gonna start over cuz when we put the layer of dry verm on top of the bfr/verm substrate in jar we didnt fill the dry verm to the absolute top therefore leaving a tiny space of air between the dry verm and underside of the lid...sounds petty but im trying to be absolute...was 35 minutes into pressure cooking before i realized what i did...i can reuse the jars after i dump them right?


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Re: doiung it over [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #16197445 - 05/07/12 10:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yea the taller half pint ones will work

the little bit that you missed would of been fine as long as you didnt pick them up and move them aroud
and yea its fine to reuse

the only time i wouldnt reuse is if a jar gets a contam just toss it without opening


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Re: doiung it over [Re: Dazed Belief]
    #16197551 - 05/07/12 10:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Regular will work for sure. But, consider finding out if you have a True Value hardware nearby. I had a dozen jars shipped free to my local store for like $11.


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Re: doiung it over [Re: Lifted1]
    #16197672 - 05/07/12 11:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thanks guys appriciate it


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Re: doiung it over [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #16197679 - 05/07/12 11:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Just get the jars you want at Amazon. I got these http://amzn.to/IG5byZ and they worked out perfectly. I actually bought everything I needed to make my BRF cakes on Amazon. (jars, verm, perlite) If you're a student and you get free Prime shipping you can get almost everything shipped 2 day.

I've used both wide mouth and tall & skinny. They both work fine. You can re-use the jars indefinitely. Your lids will eventually get all rusty but you can get plastic replacement lids.

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Re: doiung it over [Re: akoward]
    #16197776 - 05/07/12 11:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Just get the jars you want at Amazon. I got these http://amzn.to/IG5byZ and they worked out perfectly. I actually bought everything I needed to make my BRF cakes on Amazon. (jars, verm, perlite) If you're a student and you get free Prime shipping you can get almost everything shipped 2 day.

I've used both wide mouth and tall & skinny. They both work fine. You can re-use the jars indefinitely. Your lids will eventually get all rusty but you can get plastic replacement lids.




thats way to expensive if ur living in the states
a 12 pack is normaly 10 bucks

also with me i have always had problems and disliked ordering off internet
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Re: doiung it over [Re: Dazed Belief]
    #16197794 - 05/07/12 11:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

OP if you got a pc why not just go get yourself some WBS and Coir (already got the verm) and do a bulk grow?

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    #16197797 - 05/07/12 11:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: doiung it over [Re: The Influence]
    #16197815 - 05/07/12 11:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:

By the way, you can use these half pint containers in place of glass canning jars.

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Re: doiung it over [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
    #16198732 - 05/08/12 07:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

the influence thanks man can you  give me a tek for that and thanks for the plastic tip


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Re: doiung it over [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #16199105 - 05/08/12 09:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Search for damion5050's coir tek.  It is pretty solid.  I used it for my first bulk.

Though I feel caution should be issued as grain can be, for some, notoriously hard to get the moisture content correct.  It took me a few tries to get it right, and I am still improving.  But if you ever plan to go further, the pf tek won't do too much to further your knowledge.  imho.

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Re: doiung it over [Re: Thadeous]
    #16199143 - 05/08/12 09:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thanks thadeous love the name haha you say the pf tek wont allow me to progress but you would still agree that i should get a decent amount of fruit off of 10 1/2 pint cakes right?you would also agree that the pf tek is a good tek right especially scince this is my first grow?as far as moisture content do you lean towards drier or wetter substrate in your bulk grows?thanks man


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Re: doiung it over [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #16199160 - 05/08/12 10:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with both of those statements.  The cakes seldom compare to bulk flushes though :mushroom2:

The pf tek is borderline foolproof, so it will at least get you familiar with the stages of cultivation. 

I inherently lean towards wetter, so my conscious mind tends to make me go towards drier.  Moisture content is still something I wage war on.  They can be fickle.

Lastly, learning sponge is a dope name too.

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Re: doiung it over [Re: Thadeous]
    #16199187 - 05/08/12 10:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Search for damion5050's coir tek.  It is pretty solid.  I used it for my first bulk.

Though I feel caution should be issued as grain can be, for some, notoriously hard to get the moisture content correct.  It took me a few tries to get it right, and I am still improving.  But if you ever plan to go further, the pf tek won't do too much to further your knowledge.  imho.




What happened when you got the moisture content wrong?  I've tried steam drying my grain for 30 minutes before loading into my jars, and they were fine.  I tried loading immediately after draining, not giving them a chance to let off steam, and they worked out well.  So, short of letting them dry out even more, or adding water to the jars after you load them up, how do you make the moisture content unstable?  24 hour soak.  15 minutes of boiling.  Load the jars.  Too easy.

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Re: doiung it over [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16199208 - 05/08/12 10:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What happened when you got the moisture content wrong?  I've tried steam drying my grain for 30 minutes before loading into my jars, and they were fine.  I tried loading immediately after draining, not giving them a chance to let off steam, and they worked out well.  So, short of letting them dry out even more, or adding water to the jars after you load them up, how do you make the moisture content unstable?  24 hour soak.  15 minutes of boiling.  Load the jars.  Too easy.




I follow RR's rye grain prep to the letter.  Though this last time I did a 25 minute boil (I think he recommends 30?)  which threw them off way too much.  I also do large(ish) batches of grain, like 6 lbs.  So its hard to heat all that water up in a decent amount of time.  I usually strain out the grain, boil the collected water, dump it back with the grain and bring the whole shebang to a boil.  The times I have gotten the moisture content correct I did a much shorter boil, only like 5 minutes.  My understanding is the boil is really just to get them to dry off faster.

One last note, each time I did the toilet paper test/grains sticking to hand test and they passed both even when the moisture content was too great.

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Re: doiung it over [Re: Thadeous]
    #16199213 - 05/08/12 10:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thanks man im pretty good at following directions and im a motorcycle mechanic..i waiting on my syringes for "examination"..there golden teacher and they should be here today or 2maro...maybe i should look at one of those bulk teks but ive already purchased stuff although like a smarty i saved the reciept for everthing...how much more money would it cost to switch to bulk growing...im hoping with 10 cakes i could get 2 ounces of dried fruit hat do you trhink?is that a practical expectation...btw sorry for the funny way i word my paragraghs and i dont know how to type!!i never finished my elementary training LOL


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Re: doiung it over [Re: Thadeous]
    #16199225 - 05/08/12 10:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What happened when you got the moisture content wrong?  I've tried steam drying my grain for 30 minutes before loading into my jars, and they were fine.  I tried loading immediately after draining, not giving them a chance to let off steam, and they worked out well.  So, short of letting them dry out even more, or adding water to the jars after you load them up, how do you make the moisture content unstable?  24 hour soak.  15 minutes of boiling.  Load the jars.  Too easy.




I follow RR's rye grain prep to the letter.  Though this last time I did a 25 minute boil (I think he recommends 30?)  which threw them off way too much.  I also do large(ish) batches of grain, like 6 lbs.  So its hard to heat all that water up in a decent amount of time.  I usually strain out the grain, boil the collected water, dump it back with the grain and bring the whole shebang to a boil.  The times I have gotten the moisture content correct I did a much shorter boil, only like 5 minutes.  My understanding is the boil is really just to get them to dry off faster.

One last note, each time I did the toilet paper test/grains sticking to hand test and they passed both even when the moisture content was too great.




So, you're straining them twice?  Good God, man, why?

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Re: doiung it over [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16199250 - 05/08/12 10:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That's a tough question to answer.  Here is a picture or two of my setup.  
A monotub setup would be a cheap route to take. 

I think you might be a bit optimistic with your 2oz dried expectation.  I only did the pf tek once, and I had 7 cakes that yielded, to the best of my memory, about an ounce dry.  But I have also seen some MONSTER flushes from single cakes, so anything is possible.

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So, you're straining them twice?  Good God, man, why?




I should be more clear, the first strain is just to get the water they were in, it takes like, 20 seconds. I boil that water, and add the grain back.  If I don't with the amount water/grain in the pot, it would take far to long to get to boiling temperatures, and I worry grains at the bottom will burst.  Does that sound proper?  Always open to improvements to my methods.

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Re: doiung it over [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16199318 - 05/08/12 10:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

learning sponge,

I am just doing my first bulk grow right now, but I do not find it any harder than doing the PF tek. Cakes will definitely produce plenty of mushrooms in optimal conditions. I would get anywhere from 2g's dry - 4g's dry per cake first flush. I am looking to get a couple oz's dry first flush though and then just concentrate on edibles until I need more, so bulk is what I am doing now. I would have done bulk from day on if I had had a pc at my disposal.

Check out this thread and some of the links in it for different variations of bulk grows: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2&Number=8407939&PHPSESSID=&fpart=1#8407939

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Re: doiung it over [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #16199365 - 05/08/12 10:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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thanks man im pretty good at following directions and im a motorcycle mechanic..i waiting on my syringes for "examination"..there golden teacher and they should be here today or 2maro...maybe i should look at one of those bulk teks but ive already purchased stuff although like a smarty i saved the reciept for everthing...how much more money would it cost to switch to bulk growing...im hoping with 10 cakes i could get 2 ounces of dried fruit hat do you trhink?is that a practical expectation...btw sorry for the funny way i word my paragraghs and i dont know how to type!!i never finished my elementary training LOL




Here is what everything cost me for my bulk grow (and have plenty left for more after)

QT jars $12

Bag of polyfil $3

3 bricks of coco coir $11 (from petco)

WBS 10lb bag $13 (also from petco, probably can get it cheaper else where)

Tub for mono-tub $6.

RTV silicone for self-healing injection port (your a bike mechanic so I'm sure you already got some)

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Re: doiung it over [Re: Thadeous]
    #16199386 - 05/08/12 11:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That's a tough question to answer.  Here is a picture or two of my setup.  
A monotub setup would be a cheap route to take. 

I think you might be a bit optimistic with your 2oz dried expectation.  I only did the pf tek once, and I had 7 cakes that yielded, to the best of my memory, about an ounce dry.  But I have also seen some MONSTER flushes from single cakes, so anything is possible.

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So, you're straining them twice?  Good God, man, why?




I should be more clear, the first strain is just to get the water they were in, it takes like, 20 seconds. I boil that water, and add the grain back.  If I don't with the amount water/grain in the pot, it would take far to long to get to boiling temperatures, and I worry grains at the bottom will burst.  Does that sound proper?  Always open to improvements to my methods.




Personally, I would never go that route, because it feels counter-intuitive.  After a 24 hour soak, I turn the burner on high.  This is for 8 cups of rye berries, by the way.  It takes about 15 minutes for it to start boiling.  At that point, I start the timer for 15 minutes and then strain.  If you heat up the water separately and then drop in cool, wet grain, your boiling water is no longer boiling.  It needs to be boiling with the grains in it for at least 15 minutes.  I have let it got to 30 minutes as well, and then I start seeing grains bursting.

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Re: doiung it over [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16199403 - 05/08/12 11:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Personally, I would never go that route, because it feels counter-intuitive.  After a 24 hour soak, I turn the burner on high.  This is for 8 cups of rye berries, by the way.  It takes about 15 minutes for it to start boiling.  At that point, I start the timer for 15 minutes and then strain.  If you heat up the water separately and then drop in cool, wet grain, your boiling water is no longer boiling.  It needs to be boiling with the grains in it for at least 15 minutes.  I have let it got to 30 minutes as well, and then I start seeing grains bursting.




After the water is returned to the grain, its at ~150 degress F.  it boils shortly after.  But hearing you just crank that burner up, I may try that method next time.  Thanks for your information. :thumbup:

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Re: doiung it over [Re: The Influence]
    #16199404 - 05/08/12 11:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

whats WBS stand for?whats QT stand for?where can i get that silicone your talking about btw thanks for your patience with noob ass


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Re: doiung it over [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #16199410 - 05/08/12 11:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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whats WBS stand for?whats QT stand for?where can i get that silicone your talking about btw thanks for your patience with noob ass





No problem bro

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Re: doiung it over [Re: The Influence]
    #16199431 - 05/08/12 11:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thanks influence i got another thread i could use ure input on...forgive me i suck at downloading links...its concerning condensation inside of bfr jars after sterilization


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