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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: carnage11]
    #16192643 - 05/06/12 10:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Mushrooms are 90% water. If you replace the water with Lysol they will indeed contain the Lysol.  I'm not entirely sure if you're joking or not, but I would highly suggest against eating those.


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i do not belive that the end product will contain lysol, has anyone here heard of bio remediation? mushrooms clean the toxins and convert them to carbs., in fact they will clean water of e-coli and the shroom will be still be a tasty treat afterwards


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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: chubbygriddles]
    #16192719 - 05/06/12 10:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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bishlap said:
can you explain a bit better what you did?
just mist the air in the tub?
have you been spraying the pins and caps?

I'm confused as to what your trying to acomplish man.

if your trying to isolate mutants I don't think it will work like your thinking.

kinda like for instance a crack baby, they can come out deformed, under developed among other things.
but if the "crack baby" were to have a kid those traits caused by the crack use in the parent  wouldn't affect it because crack use isn't genetic.





im not trying to isolate mutants, trying to see if small amounts of lysol can trigger mutations. I simply sprayed lysol in the tanks atmosphere the same amount each time. Never directly spraying the cakes. Some have deformities and some have none. On that same 'mutant' cake, there are regular mushrooms.



the mutant can be due the many genetics found in the syringe...since you didnt isolate in the first place, but I doubt the lysol helped them look pretty or edible

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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: carnage11]
    #16192765 - 05/06/12 10:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

sure you can test this with chemical reaction

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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: spornication]
    #16193059 - 05/07/12 12:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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carnage11 said:
Mushrooms are 90% water. If you replace the water with Lysol they will indeed contain the Lysol.  I'm not entirely sure if you're joking or not, but I would highly suggest against eating those.


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i do not belive that the end product will contain lysol, has anyone here heard of bio remediation? mushrooms clean the toxins and convert them to carbs., in fact they will clean water of e-coli and the shroom will be still be a tasty treat afterwards



Certain things the mushrooms will retain. RR makes a point about this by not using any paper for substrate that has lead based ink. Lysol is a petroleum based product I do believe and I would be willing to be it will contain a lot of unhealthy components in the end. But either way I will not advocate that the OP be a test dummy and find out the hard way. To each their own though.

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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: The Influence]
    #16193457 - 05/07/12 03:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you have normal looking mushrooms on the same cakes you're bombing with lysol, wouldn't the most likely assumption be that the lysol isn't causing the mutations?

I don't understand why you want to contaminate an organic organism with chemicals, especially when you plan on eating it. Do you not understand that lysol is mostly alcohol and that alcohol is basically poison for fungi and just kills it? Just because the mushrooms are growing deformed, doesn't make them a mutant. If a young child is continuously poisoned and doesn't grow to their potential, does that make them mutant? No, it just makes them tortured.

I really think this lysol thing is a myth, we all know mutants are know to be pretty potent, and if lysol caused mutants it already would have been documented.. You're just fucking up growth cycle and seeing deformities because of it, you aren't growing anything special. If you care to prove me wrong, clone one of these fucked up shrooms and aloow it to grow out normally, i promise you're going to get an average mushroom, because lysol doesn't alter genetics.

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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: Diesel_Dawg]
    #16193545 - 05/07/12 04:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: ChinChiller]
    #16193603 - 05/07/12 05:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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chubbygriddles said:
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bishlap said:
can you explain a bit better what you did?
just mist the air in the tub?
have you been spraying the pins and caps?

I'm confused as to what your trying to acomplish man.

if your trying to isolate mutants I don't think it will work like your thinking.

kinda like for instance a crack baby, they can come out deformed, under developed among other things.
but if the "crack baby" were to have a kid those traits caused by the crack use in the parent  wouldn't affect it because crack use isn't genetic.





im not trying to isolate mutants, trying to see if small amounts of lysol can trigger mutations. I simply sprayed lysol in the tanks atmosphere the same amount each time. Never directly spraying the cakes. Some have deformities and some have none. On that same 'mutant' cake, there are regular mushrooms.



the mutant can be due the many genetics found in the syringe...since you didnt isolate in the first place, but I doubt the lysol helped them look pretty or edible





I could keep doing this process multiple times and if I get the same outcome then it would be more likely to be associated with the lysol.


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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: Diesel_Dawg]
    #16193611 - 05/07/12 05:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If you have normal looking mushrooms on the same cakes you're bombing with lysol, wouldn't the most likely assumption be that the lysol isn't causing the mutations?

I don't understand why you want to contaminate an organic organism with chemicals, especially when you plan on eating it. Do you not understand that lysol is mostly alcohol and that alcohol is basically poison for fungi and just kills it? Just because the mushrooms are growing deformed, doesn't make them a mutant. If a young child is continuously poisoned and doesn't grow to their potential, does that make them mutant? No, it just makes them tortured.

I really think this lysol thing is a myth, we all know mutants are know to be pretty potent, and if lysol caused mutants it already would have been documented.. You're just fucking up growth cycle and seeing deformities because of it, you aren't growing anything special. If you care to prove me wrong, clone one of these fucked up shrooms and aloow it to grow out normally, i promise you're going to get an average mushroom, because lysol doesn't alter genetics.




I didn't do this experiment to make toxic mushrooms and kill myself.
I have read on several different forums that when using lysol it has increased the chance of mutations forming.
Even though I used large doses of it, its just proving the point that using lysol in the first place can cause problems for them.
Your analogy for mushrooms and abusing children is quite comical, but, the whole point of this process was to exploit the 'safety' of the use of lysol during mycology.
I am re-enforcing the fact that lysol is NOT a good tool to use for disinfecting and that other solutions be used to create a sanitary environment.
You are free to disagree, however.


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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: chubbygriddles]
    #16193628 - 05/07/12 06:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah man I wouldn't eat those and BTW doc is that your girl in your profile pic because if so :hi5:

maybe I should do the same and post a pic of my wife in a hot ass bikini seems like a better icon than boba fett :dancer:


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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: zamora333]
    #16193739 - 05/07/12 07:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think Doc_T is dating Boxxy. :curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: chubbygriddles]
    #16193753 - 05/07/12 07:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You started with a genetic isolate previously shown to produce healthy normal caps, of course?




yes of course, the same solution birthed many normal mushrooms on the other cakes.
All cakes from the same syringe.




Syringe of what? Spores?




Yes.
All the other cakes -that were not in the same proximity as the lysol- came out perfectly normal.




If they were inoculated with a MS solution then you can't say with a surety that it is the lysol which caused their appearance which is why Doc T asked if you were using an isolate shown to produce normal looking caps.

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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: chubbygriddles] * 2
    #16193782 - 05/07/12 07:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I have read on several different forums that when using lysol it has increased the chance of mutations forming.





You read a lot of total nonsense on boards including this one, usually posted by noobs repeating bad information previously posted by other noobs. 

The normal use of Lysol in a room as a SURFACE DISINFECTANT does not cause mutants to form.  Lysol is not an air sanitizer and it does no good whatsoever to spray it in the air other than as a deodorizer because of the perfume in it.

Lysol does contain alcohol, and alcohol causes physical damage to developing mushrooms if it comes in contact.  As anyone who grows mushrooms already knows, a dent or blemish in a mushroom does not heal or go away, but continues to grow and expand as the mushroom cells divide.  This is how that nonsense about 'lysol causes mutants' came about.  You could just as easily cause this deformity by pricking a mushroom with a needle, pinching with your finger, or pouring alcohol or gasoline, etc., on the fruits because all will cause physical damage.

I'm hoping you don't think physical damage to the parent will show up genetically in the spores.  That would be a little bit like thinking a pregnant lady who breaks her arm will deliver a baby with a broken arm.
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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #16194341 - 05/07/12 11:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I have read on several different forums that when using lysol it has increased the chance of mutations forming.





You read a lot of total nonsense on boards including this one, usually posted by noobs repeating bad information previously posted by other noobs. 

The normal use of Lysol in a room as a SURFACE DISINFECTANT does not cause mutant to form.  Lysol is not an air sanitizer and it does no good whatsoever to spray it in the air other than as a deodorizer because of the perfume in it.

Lysol does contain alcohol, and alcohol causes physical damage to developing mushrooms if it comes in contact.  As anyone who grows mushrooms already knows, a dent or blemish in a mushroom does not heal or go away, but continues to grow and expand as the mushroom cells divide.  This is how that nonsense about 'lysol causes mutants' came about.  You could just as easily cause this deformity by pricking a mushroom with a needle, pinching with your finger, or pouring alcohol or gasoline, etc., on the fruits because all will cause physical damage.

I'm hoping you don't think physical damage to the parent will show up genetically in the spores.  That would be a little bit like thinking a pregnant lady who breaks her arm will deliver a baby with a broken arm.
RR




Thank you rr for clearing things up.
But no I assumed that you could clone mutants and that their spores would release genes of the same nature. I came to the conclusion it affected the genetics not just the physical structure.


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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: chubbygriddles]
    #16194399 - 05/07/12 11:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

A true mutation is a flaw in the genetic structure.
A deformed cap is not necessarily proof of a mutation.


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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: Doc_T]
    #16194643 - 05/07/12 12:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

id say eat them....if i had some i would like you said you didnt soak them in anything and im sure they are still active.....i dont see how this can be any worst for you than smoking say 5 ciggs

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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: carnage11]
    #16194945 - 05/07/12 01:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't think Doc_T is dating Boxxy. :curbyourenthusiasm:






LOLOL, willing to bet he's old enough to be her grandfather.

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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: kenny]
    #16194955 - 05/07/12 01:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: The Influence]
    #16195113 - 05/07/12 02:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)





Certain things the mushrooms will retain. RR makes a point about this by not using any paper for substrate that has lead based ink. Lysol is a petroleum based product I do believe and I would be willing to be it will contain a lot of unhealthy components in the end. But either way I will not advocate that the OP be a test dummy and find out the hard way. To each their own though.




Right on, thanks for the info, is there a source somewhere as to what shrooms can convert and what they retain? Id be extremely interested in such a list


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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: spornication]
    #16195518 - 05/07/12 03:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ah just looked her up haha, looks nice naked :thumbup:

Still maybe I should use my hot ass fiance for an avatar haha
maybe my respect meter will go up even though I'm still a newb haha :derp:


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Re: Mutant Keeper Creepers -Lysol Bath- [Re: zamora333]
    #16195822 - 05/07/12 04:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you want mutations, you'd need a mutagen.  There are many mutagens that are regularly used to conduct genetic screens in all sorts of biological research.

The most common one I know of is EMS.  I have no idea what the preferred compound is for fungi, but I would assume that it would work.  However, the thing about mutagens is that they are, obviously, super duper carcinogenic.  Like, if you handle the stuff without the right safety measures, you could fairly easily kill yourself.

The other route to go is radiation.  Fast neutron is pretty common, but I think gamma rays are used as well.  Again, safety issues make this exclusive to professional use.

Basically, you need something that can cause mutations in the DNA.  This is typically done in two ways.  One is to break the DNA strand and rely on errors to occur when the cell attempts to repair it.  The other way is to cause base-pair substitutions.  EMS causes this by reacting with guanine bases such that base-pairing is disrupted during subsequent DNA replication.  The net effect is a change from G:C to an A:T pair.  If this occurs in an exon, you can get an amino acid substitution in a protein, and potentially a mutant phenotype.  Mutations can also occur in introns and promoters that can effect splicing and expression.

So no, Lysol won't do this.  It just fucks up the fungi, and they grow weird when stressed.  Just work with naturally occurring mutants.  If you really want to do this, at least look up what compounds are actually mutagenic that you could get your hands on.  And for christ sake be careful if you do.

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