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Is a styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in?
    #16194276 - 05/07/12 10:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Since a coolers job is to insulate the temperature, I'm afraid that it will make the conditions too warm with the perlite and I'll end up with spider mold or something. This is my first grow and I'm on a very limited budget, suggestions?

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Re: Is a styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: weed_smoking_loser]
    #16194287 - 05/07/12 10:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

this is just asking for contams, in my opinion

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Re: Is a styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: joyless]
    #16194334 - 05/07/12 11:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Do it like in the videos: http://www.mushroomvideos.com/


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Re: Is a styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: weed_smoking_loser]
    #16194454 - 05/07/12 11:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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weed_smoking_loser said:
This is my first grow and I'm on a very limited budget, suggestions?




Chances are if you don't follow the tek you will get poor results...so why not save your money until you can do it right?
Or, if you'd like, you can throw your money away, right now.


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Re: Is a Styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: Dr.Tooty]
    #16194601 - 05/07/12 12:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

go for it, many folks on here will discourage you, or tell you that it is imparative that you buy their freinds or IDOL'S movies, cubes grow on pretty much anything, if you think it gets to hot, make some holes and stuff with polyfill, use what you have and do not let them fooling them into getting expensive equipment, its not necessary, Lysol is god
There is mush good info on this site though, just sift through carefully

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Re: Is a Styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: spornication]
    #16194628 - 05/07/12 12:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Lysol is completely unnecessary, I've never even owned a can.

A cooler can be used to grow mushrooms if you open it like 50 times a day.
I've done it. You could too. But, use a shotgun FC as shown in the videos linked above for the best results.

Cheapest way to do it is to do it right the first time.
Follow the most recent teks laid out by experienced, knowledgeable cultivators.


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Re: Is a Styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: Doc_T]
    #16195078 - 05/07/12 02:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Found this on the site, not computer savy so do not know how to make the link just copied and posted  use what you have, save some spores or agar for when you can make improvements, then continually improve as in life my Friend

            Basic Growing Chamber.

(Used for all other terrarium setups)

Materials needed: •Styrofoam Cooler
•Wire Mesh (1/4 or 1/2 inch is ideal)
•Plexi Glass (a 24 by 24 inch piece of window insulation or fluorescent light diffuser) Optional if using an ultra sonic humidifier.
•Silicon Glue
•Humidity Gauge

The cooler needs to have a very tight fitting cover. The idea is to seal in humidity, and the looser the lid is, the more difficult this is. Except for the cooler, everything you need can be found at your neighborhood building supply store. Below are diagrams detailing the various components of the terrarium. There is no way to predict the dimensions of the cooler that you will use. You will need to use some common sense as we walk you through the steps to build your terrarium.




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The purpose of the wire mesh is to hold the rice cakes off the bottom of the cooler where moisture will collect. The easiest thing to do is cut a piece of wire mesh an inch wider and an inch longer than the dimensions of the bottom of the cooler. Then, use a pair of pliers to bend a 1/2 inch ridge all the way around the piece of wire mesh. The piece of mesh will be held up by the bent ridge. Often times, when mushrooms are growing, space above them is at a premium. Try not to raise the wire mesh more than a 1/2 inch above the bottom of the cooler. Doing that simply wastes valuable space.
Next, if you are going to use the hand sprayer method of adding humidity, a drip shield needs to be installed. If you are using a fish tank bubblier or an ultra sonic humidifier, it is optional but still a good idea. As moisture condenses inside the terrarium, this protects the rice cakes from being 'rained' upon. Any moisture that forms on the lid of the cooler can drip and will be stopped by the drip shield from hitting the rice cakes. Any moisture that forms on the bottom side of the drip shield will form beads and run down to the side of the terrarium where it can drip harmlessly. If you use a piece of plexi-glass that is textured on one side, put the textured side pointing up. You want a smooth surface on the bottom side of the drip shield so that moisture can easily run down to the side of the terrarium.

The drip shield is held up by several bolts sticking through the side of the cooler. Depending on what size canning jars you use and the height of your wire mesh, you will need to figure out where to put them. You want the drip shield to be at as steep of angle as possible to make water run down it easily, but you want it high enough that your mushrooms have room to grow without touching the drip shield. The drip shield needs to fit well. You need a small gap on the edges to let air circulate, but keep it small. About 1/4 inch is good. In other words, the drip shield should fit pretty well to the inside of the cooler, but it is not supposed to be air tight. Also remember when shaping the drip shield that you can not go to the very top of the cooler because the lid will recess into the cooler a little ways.

If you are using a Styrofoam cooler, you should use washers on the bolts on both the inside and outside of the cooler. This will allow you to tighten the nuts on the bolts snugly to keep the bolts from tearing up the cooler as you move the drip shield during normal maintenance.

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Next, the top of the cooler needs to be modified to allow light to enter the terrarium. Psilocybe cubensis is a photo tropic mushroom. It needs light to initiate pinning and to tell the mushrooms which way is up. You should have some plexi-glass left over from the drip shield that can be used for this purpose. Cut a hole in the top of cooler. Cut a piece of plexi-glass a little bit bigger than the hole in the cooler lid. Run a bead of silicon glue all the way around the hole in the cooler top. Position the plexi-glass over the hole and let the glue setup. See the following diagram:


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That is it. The basic grow chamber is done. Now you need to decide which method you are going to use to keep the humidity high and the CO2 concentration low while the mushrooms are growing.


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Re: Is a Styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: spornication]
    #16195362 - 05/07/12 03:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Spornication, why are you so eager to post old, outdated, irrelevant info?
I scanned down, saw 'drip shield', and realized you were passing along bad advice.

Post based on your own experiences, ok? Grow some mushrooms, then talk about your grow.
Don't just copy and paste anything that catches your eye.

And learn how to make a hotlink, it's a useful skill. :thumbup:


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Re: Is a Styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: Doc_T]
    #16195443 - 05/07/12 03:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

something that I do that might catch on someday is pasturize coir in a 16 qt insulated lunchbox.
it looses on average ~10° F per hour.
I have an oven thermometer jamed in the drain plug to read temps after adding 4.5 quarts of boiling water to a brick of coir and 2 qt of verm it reads ~200° F and takes about 3 hours to get down to 170.

if I can ever get some free h. poo I am going to try pasteurizing a poo, straw,  coir,  verm mix with the bucket tek in my lunch box.


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Re: Is a Styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: bishlap]
    #16195464 - 05/07/12 03:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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it reads ~200° F and takes about 3 hours to get down to 170.




That's not pasteurization. It totally won't work with manure, straw, or coffee.


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Re: Is a Styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: Doc_T]
    #16195544 - 05/07/12 03:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Doc_T said:
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it reads ~200° F and takes about 3 hours to get down to 170.




That's not pasteurization. It totally won't work with manure, straw, or coffee.



why is that?
if I could get some nice aged poo break it up to powder and do this that should eliminate any spores wouldn't it?

I mean it would be over 150° for ~ 5 hours


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Re: Is a Styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: bishlap]
    #16195830 - 05/07/12 04:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Why is what? Why isn't it pasteurization?


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Re: Is a Styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: Doc_T]
    #16195851 - 05/07/12 04:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

why wouldn't it pasturize?


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Re: Is a Styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: bishlap]
    #16195932 - 05/07/12 05:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Because that's not pasteurization. I think I've typed this about eight times in the last five days.
Pasteurization is a specific process involving specific temperatures and specific times.
Heat-and-wait isn't pasteurization. Sterilization isn't pasteurization. Masturbation isn't pasteurization.

Pasteurization is pasteurization, and what you are describing isn't.


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Re: Is a Styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: Doc_T]
    #16196044 - 05/07/12 05:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

are beneficial bacteria that important?
I would think the highly nutritious sub would benefit them more.
might just need to up the spawn ratio a bit.

I have never used poo and haven't really researched it much I apologize for my ignorance and jacking this thread.


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Re: Is a Styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: bishlap]
    #16196124 - 05/07/12 05:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

My friend in Mexico followed the MMGG terrarium tek, using a modified styrofoam cooler with an ultrasonic humidifier on an appliance timer piped into it.  Small variations are:  No drip shield, and he also fans several times per day to promote FAE since the stems were coming out skinny towards the end of flushes.

So far so good, he is not having any issues with it.  So yes, I'd say it is a viable option.

A benefit is that when you have the styrofoam cooler up high on a shelf, and you can't see the transparent top or humidifier hose, it just looks like an unused cooler.  A little stealthier than a clear SGFC.

Also, you can get a 45-quart cooler at Walmart for like 7 bucks.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Is a Styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: psylonaut]
    #16196167 - 05/07/12 06:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The beneficial bacteria left in pasteurized media is useful to prevent contamination and leaves helpful micro-organisms.

"Unlike sterilization, pasteurization is not intended to kill all micro-organisms in the food. Instead, it aims to reduce the number of viable pathogens so they are unlikely to cause disease (assuming the pasteurized product is stored as indicated and is consumed before its expiration date). Commercial-scale sterilization of food is not common because it adversely affects the taste and quality of the product. Certain foods, such as dairy products, may be superheated to ensure pathogenic microbes are destroyed.[1]
-wiki

A sterile media is super prone to full contamination, as any introduced contaminates will have zero competition for the nutrients.


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Re: Is a Styrofoam cooler a viable tub to grown in? [Re: TheBot0nist]
    #16196286 - 05/07/12 06:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well I'm glad I said something before I would have wasted a lot of time.

thank you guys.

yard sale season is coming up might try to locate a big crock pot and a submersible thermostat or something, I'm in no rush I tosed all my ms spawn anyway, starting over but I plan to test my isolates on multiple subs so ill figure something out if I have to pasturize in jars.


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