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Tahnioca
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Preservation method anyone tried this?
#16193980 - 05/07/12 09:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hi guys,
Normally when i consume fresh shrooms i put them in the blender with some sweet juice. The rest of my flush I dry out till cracker dry and then grind down to fine powder in the coffee grinder.
I find however that i am losing a fair bit when i dry out.
What if i were to blend fresh ones with juice and then freeze the drinks in bottles would i then get more doses out of each flush?
and would you guys agree that a good medium sized dose of fresh cubes is around 20 grams and to get the equivalent effects from the same cubes but dried it would have to be about 2.7 grams right??
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Re: Preservation method anyone tried this? [Re: Tahnioca]
#16193988 - 05/07/12 09:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know freezing them breaks the cell membrane causing them to turn to goo, but this wouldnt really make a difference if it was in liquid form anyway
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Re: Preservation method anyone tried this? [Re: Tahnioca]
#16194004 - 05/07/12 09:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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just thinking about drinking blended cubes makes me wanna
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Re: Preservation method anyone tried this? [Re: joyless]
#16194114 - 05/07/12 10:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i suppose your one of those people that likes to chew them and feel their meaty texture and earthy bitterness
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Re: Preservation method anyone tried this? [Re: joyless]
#16194146 - 05/07/12 10:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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What do you mean you lose so much when you dry the mushrooms? Do you mean by weight? If so, that's because thats the water leaving the mushroom - causing them to become dry. The water makes up about 90% of the mushroom causing 35grams fresh to become 3.5grams dry. Both will give you pretty much a trip just as potent as the other - the dry might be ever so slightly weaker.
If you are losing a lot of potency then you are drying them wrongly. Get a dehydrator and dry them quickly.
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Re: Preservation method anyone tried this? [Re: joyless]
#16194147 - 05/07/12 10:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're not getting anymore out of wet mushrooms vs. dry.
20 grams wet is 2.0 grams dry (roughly.) Most cubes go by the 10% rule, or 90% water weight.
If you really want to preserve them for a long period of time, dehydrate them & do an alcohol extraction. You can go the extra step to get crystals, but don't have to. Then once you've got your extraction, freeze it until you want to trip.
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Freshies would have more psilocin, so might be stronger than the same fruits dried. But I don't think psilocin is stable in air? Maybe if it was sealed up airtight and frozen? I dunno. Sounds incredibly disgusting anyway, I can't imagine actually doing it.
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Re: Preservation method anyone tried this? [Re: Doc_T]
#16194247 - 05/07/12 10:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It doesn't matter, because our bodies convert psilocybin to psilocin when we ingest it.
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Right. But the psilocin present in fresh mushrooms doesn't get converted to psilocybin.
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Re: Preservation method anyone tried this? [Re: Doc_T]
#16194351 - 05/07/12 11:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yup, I know this, also.
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Then I'm not sure I understand your point. I'll review: A fresh mushroom has psilocin and psilocybin. Drying mushrooms degrades psilocin, leaves psilocybin alone. I'm not sure freezing preserves psilocin. (It won't hurt psilocybin, I know that). So I'm unsure whether OP's method would preserve potency or not.
Then you come along with the info about metabolism. What you say is correct, but I'm not sure how it applies to the conversation at hand. Enlighten me please?
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Re: Preservation method anyone tried this? [Re: Doc_T]
#16194441 - 05/07/12 11:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It doesn't matter. That's my point. Your body treats them the same. &, personally, I have way better/more intense trips from alcohol extractions than I do eating the wet or dry.
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Oh. Yeah, your body treats them the same- if there's any psilocin left when you eat the mushrooms. But if the psilocin has been degraded and all that's left is psilocybin, there's less potency overall. (I think that's the point of the OP's question, preservation of the magic?)
Agreed that alcohol extraction is the best way to enjoy mushrooms, though. 
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Re: Preservation method anyone tried this? [Re: Doc_T]
#16194469 - 05/07/12 11:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I guess one could try the alcohol extraction w/ wet mushis... That might be a huge mess, though.
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I'm just pulling this out of my ass, but I think psilocin is sensitive to atmospheric oxygen, so you'd have to use an inert gas. So that's not really suited for the home hobbyist. But I could totally be wrong, somebody speak up if so.
My soxhlet only holds about 20g dry, wouldn't hold enough fresh mushrooms to matter, so I won't be the one doing the experiment.
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Re: Preservation method anyone tried this? [Re: Doc_T]
#16197400 - 05/07/12 10:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Let me explain it better. I have noted a decent trip intensity from ingesting 20 grams of wet shrooms. Dried shroom i need 2.7 grams of powder to achieve the same effect due to the slight reduction of potency. The real problem is however, that when i dry them i seem to be losing more than 90% of the weight. For example this months mono tub yeilded 800 grams wet (40 X 20g doses)... But after drying them i had only 21 X 2.7gram doses.
in other words 800 grams wet became 56grams dry rather than 80grams I should have been at least about to get 30 doses but the amount was greatly reduced. I dried them by leaving them in front of a fan until cracker dry, i live in a low humidity place so this method works fine here and from what ive heard is the least damaging to the potency. To everybody who says drinking blended cubes is disgusting its really not that bad as long as you blend it well to get rid of any chunks and use a sweat drink that you like. acohol extraction sounds a bit time consuming for me
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Re: Preservation method anyone tried this? [Re: Tahnioca]
#16197417 - 05/07/12 10:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It takes 2.5-3 hours for an alcohol extraction. However, when using 1 oz of dried mushies, you get 14 level 4 trips (28 grams, 1g per mL/cc; 2mL for great trip.) Well worth it IMHO.
The 10% is a generalization. Also, look at your growing conditions. Environmental factors will help determine short fat & full vs. long skinny & hollow.
Lastly, if you're having that rough of a time getting the 10% marker, try isolation on agar.
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I read about alcohol extraction a while back but figure it was all bs because of some of the comments and never did it for myself... Is there a tek on Alcohol Extraction in this huge database of knowledge? I would like to try it.
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Re: Preservation method anyone tried this? [Re: mschwantes001]
#16197613 - 05/07/12 11:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mine (I don't go to the crystals stage). Check my favourites for a few others, too. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14748226
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TranscendingLife said: Mine (I don't go to the crystals stage). Check my favourites for a few others, too. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14748226
Why use alcohol? Does it alter the study?
The Jello shot tek that I recall has us chop fresh or dry mushrooms and then placed in a cup of boiling water. Then that water is used as the substance for the Jello.
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Re: Preservation method anyone tried this? [Re: Tahnioca]
#16198377 - 05/08/12 03:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tahnioca said: The real problem is however, that when i dry them i seem to be losing more than 90% of the weight. For example this months mono tub yeilded 800 grams wet (40 X 20g doses)... But after drying them i had only 21 X 2.7gram doses.
This is not a problem, it's based on faulty expectations. Mushrooms are not exactly 90% water, and it can vary quite a lot dependent on the conditions at harvest time. If you harvest soon after a heavy spraying, or when the caps are relatively dark, you will have a lower dry weight, than if you harvest when the caps are very light and haven't been sprayed for some time. They are like little sponges, they'll 'suck up' as much moisture as they can, while the 'going is good' as it were.
If I harvest 1000g I don't expect 100g dry, more like 80-90g. Basically. I knock off a nought, and a further 1-2g per 100g of the fresh starting material, for a closer idea of dry weight.
As for potency reduction. It may help to keep the mushroom whole rather than grinding to a powder. For longer term storage you could try one of those vacuum containers.
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