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kenny57028
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Questions about GrowOp
#16192473 - 05/06/12 09:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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First I wanted to ask does 6 1 lb boxes and 3 small packages for syringes and 2 other unrelated packages look suspicious to a mail deliver? I'm not sure these will all arrive on the same day, but they were all ordered over the course of this weekend. I also read that the packages are sent pretty discretely but it still bugs me out.
So I've decided to order 6 mad bags. I'm going to inoculate the bags with 3 cc per bag and shoot it down the sides of the bag. I will use 3 different strains (PE6, GT, and some random one[2 bags per strain]) After inoculation I'm going to set them in my closet with a towel underneath the bags. I will also from day of inoculation start giving them a 12/12 6500k light schedule as I've heard it decreases the time taken for full colonization. I also plan to break up the mycellium when around 40% colonized.
After full colonization i will either a. Have the materials needed to make a shotgun chamber.
If I fruit in the shotgun chamber I've seen pretty well what to do for that, but my only question for that is if the substrate isn't suppose to touch the perlite, than what can I put over it? Can I use aluminum foil as a cover for it. Also if I did that should I cut squares just big enough for the cakes so that you can still see perlite or should I put a layer across the whole bottom so you see none of it.
b. Fruit from the bag as I've seen some decent yields from bag.
If I fruit from the bag will the filter patch allow for enough FAE and if not should I cut slits in the bag to greater increase air flow? I've also seen some people hang their grow bag, does this allow for even greater air flow, because I have a place I could hang them in my closet. Also if I'm suppose to mist the bags a few times a day, can I use regular tap water or is the distilled water better, or does it not matter? Should I be misting right after full colonization or wait until after the first flush? Lighting should be fine because I will be giving it the same 12/12 6500k its whole life. Also what is the best method for fanning the bag?
Also as far as dunking the bags. I've heard that you can simply pour water into the bag so its floating and than leave over night and dumb out the water and it will be good? Or is there a better way of doing this if in vitro fruiting.
Well if all ends successfully I'll have a food dehydrator on standby ready for harvest. This is my first grow so I'm very excited and just trying to learn everything I can before I do it. Answers and helpful advice to these questions would be much appreciated. Thank you.
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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: kenny57028]
#16192511 - 05/06/12 09:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Edit: Nvm what I said. It only applies to outgoing packages. >_> It's still nothing to get worked up over. I've had several packages come in the mail over the course of a few days before.
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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: kenny57028]
#16192572 - 05/06/12 10:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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kenny57028 said: First I wanted to ask does 6 1 lb boxes and 3 small packages for syringes and 2 other unrelated packages look suspicious to a mail deliver? I'm not sure these will all arrive on the same day, but they were all ordered over the course of this weekend. I also read that the packages are sent pretty discretely but it still bugs me out.
No. You will be fine. Now if you ordered say, 50 bags and 20 syringes, Maybe then you should be worried.
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kenny57028 said: So I've decided to order 6 mad bags. I'm going to inoculate the bags with 3 cc per bag and shoot it down the sides of the bag. I will use 3 different strains (PE6, GT, and some random one[2 bags per strain]) After inoculation I'm going to set them in my closet with a towel underneath the bags. I will also from day of inoculation start giving them a 12/12 6500k light schedule as I've heard it decreases the time taken for full colonization. I also plan to break up the mycellium when around 40% colonized.
Don't put a towel under the bags. Why would you though, just out of curiosity? And follow sponsors directions for how much spores to put in each bag.
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kenny57028 said: After full colonization i will either a. Have the materials needed to make a shotgun chamber.
If I fruit in the shotgun chamber I've seen pretty well what to do for that, but my only question for that is if the substrate isn't suppose to touch the perlite, than what can I put over it? Can I use aluminum foil as a cover for it. Also if I did that should I cut squares just big enough for the cakes so that you can still see perlite or should I put a layer across the whole bottom so you see none of it.
I think your confusing cakes for bags. You don't need a sgfc. But what you should consider is a mono tub. Use the search bar for that.
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kenny57028 said: If I fruit from the bag will the filter patch allow for enough FAE and if not should I cut slits in the bag to greater increase air flow? I've also seen some people hang their grow bag, does this allow for even greater air flow, because I have a place I could hang them in my closet. Also if I'm suppose to mist the bags a few times a day, can I use regular tap water or is the distilled water better, or does it not matter? Should I be misting right after full colonization or wait until after the first flush? Lighting should be fine because I will be giving it the same 12/12 6500k its whole life. Also what is the best method for fanning the bag?
Yes, you can do that. And as far as misting, well, maybe a lite misting is okay. Even while is fruiting. But any bottled water is good. Don't use tap though.
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kenny57028 said: Also as far as dunking the bags. I've heard that you can simply pour water into the bag so its floating and than leave over night and dumb out the water and it will be good? Or is there a better way of doing this if in vitro fruiting.
I wouldn't do it in the bag. But that's me
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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: kenny57028]
#16192605 - 05/06/12 10:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe things have changed but I have never heard of giving jars light. I keep my jars 100% in the dark during colonizing and only introduce light when I am trying to trigger pinning.
I wouldnt be worried about the packages either, in future, pay with a money order if possible. As opposed to using a credit card that can track all your purchases over time.
As Bawks said, you most likely want to look into doing a monotub. You have other options such as fruiting in the bags (in-vetro) but I would recommend starting with a monotub.
Make the tub, crumble your substrate, cover with coir (or coir+verm), and then fruit it.
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KillerPicklez said: Maybe things have changed but I have never heard of giving jars light. I keep my jars 100% in the dark during colonizing and only introduce light when I am trying to trigger pinning.
Thing have changed. Light at all stages of mycelium growth is good. RR has said it himself
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KillerPicklez said: Maybe things have changed but I have never heard of giving jars light. I keep my jars 100% in the dark during colonizing and only introduce light when I am trying to trigger pinning.
Thing have changed. Light at all stages of mycelium growth is good. RR has said it himself 
Interesting..... never seen him or anyone else say that
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KillerPicklez said: Interesting..... never seen him or anyone else say that

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RogerRabbit said: it's from personal experience, as well as the personal experience of thousands of other growers and commercial mushroom farms. It's why we use light, and not just as a pinning trigger. You might also read the mushroom growers handbook, which is posted as a sticky in the gourmet forum. Also, GGMM by Stamets and Mycelium Running, also by Paul. RR
Here, it's the best I can do on the fly, but you can post this question in this forum and MOST EVERYONE will tell you the same thing about light.
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I had been planning on putting a towel under the bags because the closet is carpeted. My thinking was a clean towel would help keep away contaminates from the floor. If this is not worth doing or would be counter productive than I won't do that.
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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: kenny57028]
#16192768 - 05/06/12 10:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Your bags have filters on them. They would be fine. I take it their not going to be on the floor?
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That quote says nothing about using lighting during colonizing. I am not arguing with you, I havent changed my methods in years. But I do occasionally read around and try to help people here and havent seen anyone saying to use lighting during the colonizing phase
Different stokes for different folks I guess
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Yes I plan on having them sitting on the floor while colonizing. If FAE is better from hanging them than I would do that for the fruiting process.
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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: kenny57028]
#16192801 - 05/06/12 11:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You should fine something to put them on. Most contams are at floor level. And a towel would do nothing to stop them from the floor.
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Yes, you can do that. And as far as misting, well, maybe a lite misting is okay. Even while is fruiting. But any bottled water is good. Don't use tap though.
I haven't had any issues using tap water.Why do you believe it shouldn't be used? I suppose it depends what your local water is like, but a good tap water is great and cost-effective to use instead of paying a premium for the plastic container.
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I have cardboard boxes. I don't know if this would work better but I could fit 3 bags per box that way.
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KillerPicklez said: That quote says nothing about using lighting during colonizing. I am not arguing with you, I havent changed my methods in years. But I do occasionally read around and try to help people here and havent seen anyone saying to use lighting during the colonizing phase
Different stokes for different folks I guess
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dumbfounded1600 said: THEY'RE SOME MISINFORMATION/OUTDATED INFO SO CHOOSE IT WISELY
COLONIZATION
*Incubating dark is another thing in Paul Stamets 'The Mushroom Cultivator' that needs to go away. The old advice of "incubate in total darkness" is bunk. Those words were written by Stamets in TMC 20 years ago, and he disavows that advice today. There is no harm or benefit from keeping jars in the dark. Expose them to normal room lighting from day one. There is no reason at all to ever have your mycelia in the dark. Darkness will only delay pinning. If you give light from day one, your yields will go up, and you won't face overlay problems. I've found no benefit or harm from allowing the grain jars to be exposed to light from day one. If a few pins form in the grains, it is actually a good thing. Contrary to popular belief, a few pins in the grains can be spawned right into the manure or straw (or used in grain to grain transfers) and they do not rot or otherwise cause contamination. There is evidence they actually help to give a faster, more uniform pinset in the eventual flushes. Stamets believes it's the hormones or other chemical triggers in the pins that do this. Exposing light from day one, one jar out of a hundred will make an early pin or two, but I simply spawn those pins right into bulk substrate along with the grains with zero ill effects. (In other words, small pins don't contaminate when spawned to bulk along with the grains). Twenty years ago, Stamets wrote in TMC to "incubate in total darkness" and people stick to that as if they were the words of god. However, stamets no longer teaches incubation in darkness, and I agree. If you visit fungi perfect, you'll see 10,000 square feet of incubation area, with 8' fluorescent tubes lighting the entire area for ten to twelve hours per day. Of course myc will grow in the presents of light. IME myc grows faster in the absence of light also in nature myc colonizing substrate is most always not exposed to light so when we do not know for sure we will try to mimic nature which IMHO is the intelligent thing to do. Paul is a pioneer and is always learning as are we and things (ideas) will change again as we begin to really understand better what nature has given us. LIGHTING COLONIZATION
Put this in your pipe and smoke it. and btw, you CAN search this and it is from RR's notes. I would not post something if I didn't know something for a 100%. I wouldn't want someone to give me bad advice and viceversa
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Yes, you can do that. And as far as misting, well, maybe a lite misting is okay. Even while is fruiting. But any bottled water is good. Don't use tap though.
I haven't had any issues using tap water.Why do you believe it shouldn't be used? I suppose it depends what your local water is like, but a good tap water is great and cost-effective to use instead of paying a premium for the plastic container.
It depends on the area your in really. But why chance it at all?
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Actually I have a shallow drawer I can take out and put on the floor and put the bags on top of it. It raises them up a 1/2" and puts it on a clean surface that will be sterilized. Would this work best?
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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: kenny57028]
#16192862 - 05/06/12 11:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you can get them on boxes, that would be your best bet. I, personally would want them at least a foot from the ground.
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KillerPicklez said: That quote says nothing about using lighting during colonizing. I am not arguing with you, I havent changed my methods in years. But I do occasionally read around and try to help people here and havent seen anyone saying to use lighting during the colonizing phase
Different stokes for different folks I guess
Put this in your pipe and smoke it. and btw, you CAN search this and it is from RR's notes. I would not post something if I didn't know something for a 100%. I wouldn't want someone to give me bad advice and viceversa
Do what you do.
Ive been at this far longer than you have, and my methods work for me.
I have no doubt that your method works for you and you get fine results. But ive been here 6-7 years and never have heard of 12/12 cycle for colonizing. And that quote you provided from RR said nothing about light during colonizing.
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Okay, either you can't read or you just didn't understand what you were reading. But if you want to keep using outdated info, that's fine. Just don't give it out to new ppl. And whatever you post about this afterwards, it doesn't matter, 'cause after this post, I'm leaving this alone.
And no, you haven't been at this longer then me. You can't go by my date that I registered. It's irrelevant to this.
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Dude, get off your high horse
There is more than one correct method and ive been doing my way for 5 years with no problems.
And I am not going by your registration date, I am going by your overall ignorance. "out dated info," please.
I am still waiting to see some actual proof of people advising 12/12 light cycle during colonization. I dont buy it.
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dude, thers no benefit to keeping colonizing jars/bags in the dark. if storing them in daylight can be beneficial to mycelium (and thats what RR is saying) - why not give it a try?
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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: joyless]
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MagicCarpetRide89 said: And no, you haven't been at this longer then me. You can't go by my date that I registered. It's irrelevant to this.
You can however go off the amount of noobish posts you have. Questions that killerpicklez wouldn't have to ask Either way, yes light in beneficial to mycelium at all stages of growth. I haven't read to much about making the mycelium colonize faster but it does help with pinning according to RR. And that is ambient light nothing about putting them on a direct 12/12 schedule.
Tap water however is good to use, so where you heard otherwise I don't know? I only use tap water and so do many many other people with no adverse effects. So why would you tell someone to go spend money when they got perfectly fine tap water to use? Kind of not giving the best advice are we?
By the way, all the advice you give is quoted from RR so why the hell would someone give you a good rating for that? Your sig should say "If RR's advice helped you, rate RR please".
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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: joyless]
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joyless said: dude, thers no benefit to keeping colonizing jars/bags in the dark. if storing them in daylight can be beneficial to mycelium (and thats what RR is saying) - why not give it a try?
No one is saying that it is beneficial in any way to keep them in complete darkness. Dont twist my words
The other guy was saying about putting them on a 12/12 light cycle. That is completely unnecessary
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You guys really need to stop ridin' RRs cock so hard, its really pathetic. If you don't have advice from experience, shut the fuck up. You guys seem to think he can do no wrong. And don't get it twisted, the man is an accomplished Mycologist and I have a lot of respect for him, and value his advice..
Its just so gay to see you guys take what he says and ram it down peoples throat as gospel, when you mis-interpret half of it, and have no actual experience with the methods you promote so much. I didn't see one post in here that elaborates on lighting aspects and mycelial growth.
Picklez has been around for a hot minute, and is a motherfuckin OG here and on Growery, show some respect. Instead of givin' the standard "well RR said this, and that" blah blah. Why don't you go do the research to see exactly what the real truth is. Then maybe people may be willing to accept your advice when you actually give ADVICE and not just regurgitating the load RR shot down your throat.
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Picklez, the truth is, mycelium do benefit from light while colonizing, but in my research, I have found that direct light will actually slow them down to a pace that's slower than total dark colonization. And this is probably what led Stamet's to the conclusion that total dark is best in the first place. Basically what you want for them is a spot that receives normal daylight, but just a mild amount of indirect lighting, anything more and it will slow you down.
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Influence and Diesel- I much appreciate the words. It's nice when other people with experience and who know what they are talking about can pop in and give new growers accurate advice
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I dont have nearly enough exp but the little i do i can tell you this:
The last few days i was waiting for the myc to finish colonizing the bottom of a jar. I kept a visual log of how fast it spread. When i kept it in the Normal room light it seemed to slow(notvery much growth was visible. I.e. It didnt expand much more.) After i added light back in, it seemed to finish the next day. There is no set schedule or a reason to do it that way. On when i gp to bed and off when im up mostly.
Granted some of the edible strains(my pink oyster) end up trying to fruit before completely colonizing(no theres no contam)
Its just a tiny bit of info but ill have to do more that way and compare my notes. No reason to fix what hasnt broken for you.
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The Influence said: You can however go off the amount of noobish posts you have. Questions that killerpicklez wouldn't have to ask Either way, yes light in beneficial to mycelium at all stages of growth. I haven't read to much about making the mycelium colonize faster but it does help with pinning according to RR. And that is ambient light nothing about putting them on a direct 12/12 schedule.
Yeah, I was acting a bit noobish last night. And i should of tried to answer these question with a better attitude. So I apologize for my noobishness
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The Influence said:[/b Tap water however is good to use, so where you heard otherwise I don't know? I only use tap water and so do many many other people with no adverse effects. So why would you tell someone to go spend money when they got perfectly fine tap water to use? Kind of not giving the best advice are we?
So if you lived in Mexico, would you use the water there?
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The Influence said:[/b By the way, all the advice you give is quoted from RR so why the hell would someone give you a good rating for that? Your sig should say "If RR's advice helped you, rate RR please".
I know I'm going to get some criticism for that but I'm not to overly concerned with it. If I find something that has helped you in some way (or even cleard something up for you)and it's from my own experience (or from someone else), I believed I've helped in some way. And that in it's self should get a rating. Even if the word were not spoken directly out of my mouth.
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The Influence said:[/b OP you are on the right track, keep doing what your doing 
Thanks!! I knew there was niceness somewhere in this post (I'm not any OP, but that okay )
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Thanks Picklez. And I should show a little more respect towards you. I see now that you have over 13 thousand post. So you've been 'round the block a few times (probable more than me). And One day, I may need advice from you and because of how I was, I may not be able to get your opinion. Anyways, it's nice to see some of the ppl who have been here for awhile still around
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No problem
Funny thing is, this is my 2nd account and my other account had even more posts than this one 
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Diesel_Dawg said: You guys really need to stop ridin' RRs cock so hard, its really pathetic. If you don't have advice from experience, shut the fuck up. You guys seem to think he can do no wrong. And don't get it twisted, the man is an accomplished Mycologist and I have a lot of respect for him, and value his advice..
Its just so gay to see you guys take what he says and ram it down peoples throat as gospel, when you mis-interpret half of it, and have no actual experience with the methods you promote so much. I didn't see one post in here that elaborates on lighting aspects and mycelial growth.
Picklez has been around for a hot minute, and is a motherfuckin OG here and on Growery, show some respect. Instead of givin' the standard "well RR said this, and that" blah blah. Why don't you go do the research to see exactly what the real truth is. Then maybe people may be willing to accept your advice when you actually give ADVICE and not just regurgitating the load RR shot down your throat.
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Picklez, the truth is, mycelium do benefit from light while colonizing, but in my research, I have found that direct light will actually slow them down to a pace that's slower than total dark colonization. And this is probably what led Stamet's to the conclusion that total dark is best in the first place. Basically what you want for them is a spot that receives normal daylight, but just a mild amount of indirect lighting, anything more and it will slow you down.
Where did I "ride RR's cock" in my post? I said the same shit you did. Move around
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I think this was more kinda directed towards me. But it doesn't matter now. This is a dead issue now
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I wasn't trying to point fingers, thats why I specified it was a rant. All over the whole site its always RR said this, RR said that. I think its stupid, when we have a gangload of good cultivators on the board that are worth listening to. He is not the only knowledgeable guy on the site.
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And that a good point to make. But sometimes, when you reference back to something, a certain one sticks out. But it doesn't necessarily have to be from RR. I've seen lots of good info from others on here!!
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The Influence
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Registered: 03/30/11
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It's water under the bridge guys Sorry for yelling.
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