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Questions about GrowOp
    #16192473 - 05/06/12 09:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

First I wanted to ask does 6 1 lb boxes and 3 small packages for syringes and 2 other unrelated packages look suspicious to a mail deliver? I'm not sure these will all arrive on the same day, but they were all ordered over the course of this weekend. I also read that the packages are sent pretty discretely but it still bugs me out.


So I've decided to order 6 mad bags. I'm going to inoculate the bags with 3 cc per bag and shoot it down the sides of the bag. I will use 3 different strains (PE6, GT, and some random one[2 bags per strain]) After inoculation I'm going to set them in my closet with a towel underneath the bags. I will also from day of inoculation start giving them a 12/12 6500k light schedule as I've heard it decreases the time taken for full colonization. I also plan to break up the mycellium when around 40% colonized.

After full colonization i will either

a. Have the materials needed to make a shotgun chamber.

If I fruit in the shotgun chamber I've seen pretty well what to do for that, but my only question for that is if the substrate isn't suppose to touch the perlite, than what can I put over it? Can I use aluminum foil as a cover for it. Also if I did that should I cut squares just big enough for the cakes so that you can still see perlite or should I put a layer across the whole bottom so you see none of it.

b. Fruit from the bag as I've seen some decent yields from bag.

If I fruit from the bag will the filter patch allow for enough FAE and if not should I cut slits in the bag to greater increase air flow? I've also seen some people hang their grow bag, does this allow for even greater air flow, because I have a place I could hang them in my closet. Also if I'm suppose to mist the bags a few times a day, can I use regular tap water or is the distilled water better, or does it not matter? Should I be misting right after full colonization or wait until after the first flush? Lighting should be fine because I will be giving it the same 12/12 6500k its whole life. Also what is the best method for fanning the bag?

Also as far as dunking the bags. I've heard that you can simply pour water into the bag so its floating and than leave over night and dumb out the water and it will be good? Or is there a better way of doing this if in vitro fruiting.

Well if all ends successfully I'll have a food dehydrator on standby ready for harvest. This is my first grow so I'm very excited and just trying to learn everything I can before I do it. Answers and helpful advice to these questions would be much appreciated. Thank you.


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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: kenny57028]
    #16192511 - 05/06/12 09:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Edit: Nvm what I said. It only applies to outgoing packages. >_>
It's still nothing to get worked up over. I've had several packages come in the mail over the course of a few days before.


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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: kenny57028]
    #16192572 - 05/06/12 10:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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kenny57028 said:
First I wanted to ask does 6 1 lb boxes and 3 small packages for syringes and 2 other unrelated packages look suspicious to a mail deliver? I'm not sure these will all arrive on the same day, but they were all ordered over the course of this weekend. I also read that the packages are sent pretty discretely but it still bugs me out.



No. You will be fine. Now if you ordered say, 50 bags and 20 syringes, Maybe then you should be worried.

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So I've decided to order 6 mad bags. I'm going to inoculate the bags with 3 cc per bag and shoot it down the sides of the bag. I will use 3 different strains (PE6, GT, and some random one[2 bags per strain]) After inoculation I'm going to set them in my closet with a towel underneath the bags. I will also from day of inoculation start giving them a 12/12 6500k light schedule as I've heard it decreases the time taken for full colonization. I also plan to break up the mycellium when around 40% colonized.



Don't put a towel under the bags. Why would you though, just out of curiosity? And follow sponsors directions for how much spores to put in each bag. 

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After full colonization i will either

a. Have the materials needed to make a shotgun chamber.

If I fruit in the shotgun chamber I've seen pretty well what to do for that, but my only question for that is if the substrate isn't suppose to touch the perlite, than what can I put over it? Can I use aluminum foil as a cover for it. Also if I did that should I cut squares just big enough for the cakes so that you can still see perlite or should I put a layer across the whole bottom so you see none of it.



I think your confusing cakes for bags. You don't need a sgfc. But what you should consider is a mono tub. Use the search bar for that.



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If I fruit from the bag will the filter patch allow for enough FAE and if not should I cut slits in the bag to greater increase air flow? I've also seen some people hang their grow bag, does this allow for even greater air flow, because I have a place I could hang them in my closet. Also if I'm suppose to mist the bags a few times a day, can I use regular tap water or is the distilled water better, or does it not matter? Should I be misting right after full colonization or wait until after the first flush? Lighting should be fine because I will be giving it the same 12/12 6500k its whole life. Also what is the best method for fanning the bag?



Yes, you can do that. And as far as misting, well, maybe a lite misting is okay. Even while is fruiting. But any bottled water is good. Don't use tap though.

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Also as far as dunking the bags. I've heard that you can simply pour water into the bag so its floating and than leave over night and dumb out the water and it will be good? Or is there a better way of doing this if in vitro fruiting.



I wouldn't do it in the bag. But that's me


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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: kenny57028]
    #16192605 - 05/06/12 10:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe things have changed but I have never heard of giving jars light. I keep my jars 100% in the dark during colonizing and only introduce light when I am trying to trigger pinning.

I wouldnt be worried about the packages either, in future, pay with a money order if possible. As opposed to using a credit card that can track all your purchases over time.

As Bawks said, you most likely want to look into doing a monotub. You have other options such as fruiting in the bags (in-vetro) but I would recommend starting with a monotub.

Make the tub, crumble your substrate, cover with coir (or coir+verm), and then fruit it.

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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #16192639 - 05/06/12 10:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe things have changed but I have never heard of giving jars light. I keep my jars 100% in the dark during colonizing and only introduce light when I am trying to trigger pinning.



Thing have changed. Light at all stages of mycelium growth is good. RR has said it himself :thumbup:


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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: MagicCarpetRide89]
    #16192666 - 05/06/12 10:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe things have changed but I have never heard of giving jars light. I keep my jars 100% in the dark during colonizing and only introduce light when I am trying to trigger pinning.



Thing have changed. Light at all stages of mycelium growth is good. RR has said it himself :thumbup:




Interesting..... never seen him or anyone else say that

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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #16192724 - 05/06/12 10:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Interesting..... never seen him or anyone else say that

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it's from personal experience, as well as the personal experience of thousands of other growers and commercial mushroom farms.  It's why we use light, and not just as a pinning trigger.  You might also read the mushroom growers handbook, which is posted as a sticky in the gourmet forum.  Also, GGMM by Stamets and Mycelium Running, also by Paul.
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Here, it's the best I can do on the fly, but you can post this question in this forum and MOST EVERYONE will tell you the same thing about light.


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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: MagicCarpetRide89]
    #16192759 - 05/06/12 10:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I had been planning on putting a towel under the bags because the closet is carpeted. My thinking was a clean towel would help keep away contaminates from the floor. If this is not worth doing or would be counter productive than I won't do that.


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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: kenny57028]
    #16192768 - 05/06/12 10:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Your bags have filters on them. They would be fine. I take it their not going to be on the floor?


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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: MagicCarpetRide89]
    #16192785 - 05/06/12 10:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That quote says nothing about using lighting during colonizing. I am not arguing with you, I havent changed my methods in years. But I do occasionally read around and try to help people here and havent seen anyone saying to use lighting during the colonizing phase

Different stokes for different folks I guess

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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: MagicCarpetRide89]
    #16192791 - 05/06/12 10:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yes I plan on having them sitting on the floor while colonizing. If FAE is better from hanging them than I would do that for the fruiting process.


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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: kenny57028]
    #16192801 - 05/06/12 11:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You should fine something to put them on. Most contams are at floor level. And a towel would do nothing to stop them from the floor.


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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: MagicCarpetRide89]
    #16192806 - 05/06/12 11:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes, you can do that. And as far as misting, well, maybe a lite misting is okay. Even while is fruiting. But any bottled water is good. Don't use tap though.





I haven't had any issues using tap water.Why do you believe it
shouldn't be used? I suppose it depends what your local water is like,
but a good tap water is great and cost-effective to use instead of
paying a premium for the plastic container.

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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: MagicCarpetRide89]
    #16192816 - 05/06/12 11:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have cardboard boxes. I don't know if this would work better but I could fit 3 bags per box that way.


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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #16192826 - 05/06/12 11:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That quote says nothing about using lighting during colonizing. I am not arguing with you, I havent changed my methods in years. But I do occasionally read around and try to help people here and havent seen anyone saying to use lighting during the colonizing phase

Different stokes for different folks I guess



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THEY'RE SOME MISINFORMATION/OUTDATED INFO SO CHOOSE IT WISELY


COLONIZATION





  *Incubating dark is another thing in Paul Stamets 'The Mushroom Cultivator' that needs to go away. The old advice of "incubate in total darkness" is bunk. Those words were written by Stamets in TMC 20 years ago, and he disavows that advice today. There is no harm or benefit from keeping jars in the dark. Expose them to normal room lighting from day one. There is no reason at all to ever have your mycelia in the dark. Darkness will only delay pinning. If you give light from day one, your yields will go up, and you won't face overlay problems. I've found no benefit or harm from allowing the grain jars to be exposed to light from day one. If a few pins form in the grains, it is actually a good thing. Contrary to popular belief, a few pins in the grains can be spawned right into the manure or straw (or used in grain to grain transfers) and they do not rot or otherwise cause contamination. There is evidence they actually help to give a faster, more uniform pinset in the eventual flushes. Stamets believes it's the hormones or other chemical triggers in the pins that do this. Exposing light from day one, one jar out of a hundred will make an early pin or two, but I simply spawn those pins right into bulk substrate along with the grains with zero ill effects. (In other words, small pins don't contaminate when spawned to bulk along with the grains). Twenty years ago, Stamets wrote in TMC to "incubate in total darkness" and people stick to that as if they were the words of god. However, stamets no longer teaches incubation in darkness, and I agree. If you visit fungi perfect, you'll see 10,000 square feet of incubation area, with 8' fluorescent tubes lighting the entire area for ten to twelve hours per day. Of course myc will grow in the presents of light. IME myc grows faster in the absence of light also in nature myc colonizing substrate is most always not exposed to light so when we do not know for sure we will try to mimic nature which IMHO is the intelligent thing to do. Paul is a pioneer and is always learning as are we and things (ideas) will change again as we begin to really understand better what nature has given us. LIGHTING COLONIZATION



Put this in your pipe and smoke it. and btw, you CAN search this and it is from RR's notes. I would not post something if I didn't know something for a 100%. I wouldn't want someone to give me bad advice and viceversa


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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: facepockets]
    #16192834 - 05/06/12 11:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes, you can do that. And as far as misting, well, maybe a lite misting is okay. Even while is fruiting. But any bottled water is good. Don't use tap though.





I haven't had any issues using tap water.Why do you believe it
shouldn't be used? I suppose it depends what your local water is like,
but a good tap water is great and cost-effective to use instead of
paying a premium for the plastic container.



It depends on the area your in really. But why chance it at all?


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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: MagicCarpetRide89]
    #16192837 - 05/06/12 11:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Actually I have a shallow drawer I can take out and put on the floor and put the bags on top of it. It raises them up a 1/2" and puts it on a clean surface that will be sterilized. Would this work best?


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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: kenny57028]
    #16192862 - 05/06/12 11:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you can get them on boxes, that would be your best bet. I, personally would want them at least a foot from the ground.


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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: MagicCarpetRide89]
    #16192978 - 05/06/12 11:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That quote says nothing about using lighting during colonizing. I am not arguing with you, I havent changed my methods in years. But I do occasionally read around and try to help people here and havent seen anyone saying to use lighting during the colonizing phase

Different stokes for different folks I guess



Put this in your pipe and smoke it. and btw, you CAN search this and it is from RR's notes. I would not post something if I didn't know something for a 100%. I wouldn't want someone to give me bad advice and viceversa




Do what you do.

Ive been at this far longer than you have, and my methods work for me.

I have no doubt that your method works for you and you get fine results. But ive been here 6-7 years and never have heard of 12/12 cycle for colonizing. And that quote you provided from RR said nothing about light during colonizing.

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Re: Questions about GrowOp [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #16193035 - 05/07/12 12:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, either you can't read or you just didn't understand what you were reading. But if you want to keep using outdated info, that's fine. Just don't give it out to new ppl. And whatever you post about this afterwards, it doesn't matter, 'cause after this post, I'm leaving this alone.

And no, you haven't been at this longer then me. You can't go by my date that I registered. It's irrelevant to this.


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