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small shrooms to start off first flush in mono, whats goin on? w/pics...
    #16191410 - 05/06/12 06:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So a couple of the pins kinda look funny. Is this normal? If not, what do you think is the cause? I have been misting/fanning about 2 times a day except didn't mist everytime because the substrate still has beads of water on the surface, and the water from one mist hasn't evaporated in all areas. But pins are popping up everywhere, so that's good.  But there's a couple where's the caps are bell shaped, a couple the looks like the veil broke already, and one that looks like its laying on its side.  Hopefully not a big deal... Pics below...





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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: poondocksaint]
    #16191656 - 05/06/12 06:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd like to know what causes this too. 
I had the same issue with PE strain on rye casings.
Got about 3/4 of an ounce of those little turds on the first flush. 
They weren't aborts, just really tiny mushrooms.
After the first flush the casings started fruiting normal sized ones.

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: Complexicated]
    #16191697 - 05/06/12 07:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'd like to know what causes this too. 
I had the same issue with PE strain on rye casings.
Got about 3/4 of an ounce of those little turds on the first flush. 
They weren't aborts, just really tiny mushrooms.
After the first flush the casings started fruiting normal sized ones.




How did your overall harvest turn out?

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: poondocksaint]
    #16191921 - 05/06/12 07:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Can't remember exactly.  Maybe 2 dry ounces or so. 
It was two nice sized straight rye casings fruited in a shotgun FC. 
Used half a syringe to inoculate about 4 or 5 quarts of rye if I remember correctly. 
It was one of the first times I'd ever worked with rye and didn't realize that casings aren't the most optimal way to use it.

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: Complexicated]
    #16191992 - 05/06/12 08:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Can't remember exactly.  Maybe 2 dry ounces or so. 
It was two nice sized straight rye casings fruited in a shotgun FC. 
Used half a syringe to inoculate about 4 or 5 quarts of rye if I remember correctly. 
It was one of the first times I'd ever worked with rye and didn't realize that casings aren't the most optimal way to use it.




Yeah, I did a monotub.  Spawned about 7-9 quarts of rye to Damion's coir tek... I'm getting crazy pins, more and more are popping up and a lot of knots and primordia all around too.  If I can get 4oz dry I'd be happy, but with multispore its a crapshot...  And most of those pins that are suspect came up while the tub was consolidating, maybe that has something to do with it... Idk, hopefully someone can come shed some light on this subject for us...

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: poondocksaint]
    #16193958 - 05/07/12 09:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Nobody has any ideas or advice?  I've done a bunch of searching and have found all different kind of answers.  From too much moisture to not enoungh.  My sub doesn't look dry and even has some beads of water still o the top.  Plus, should a monotub that colonized perfectly and was fruited at the right time, shouldn't it have enough moisture content for at least the first flush?  Come on guys, if there is a prob I wanna get on it before it goes any further...

Here are pics from my monotub post, so you can see my setup and hq pics of the sub when it went into fruiting conditions...


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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: poondocksaint]
    #16193984 - 05/07/12 09:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe pack the Polly a little looser :shrug:

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: SimpleFarmer]
    #16194011 - 05/07/12 09:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah. Just did that a minute ago...  I have no idea what it is.  I think my moisture content is fine, everything was built/prepared to spec, and the setup seems ok...  Maybe I'm missing something.  A couple of more pins have opened their caps (and only like .25-.5"). Somebody help!

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: poondocksaint]
    #16194099 - 05/07/12 10:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i know why you have small shrooms the same thing just happened to me. and by the looks of it we had the same problem. you substrate needs to consolidate more. i allowed to much fae during the spawn run and my tub starting knotting early at about 90% colonization. i got huge flushes of super tiny shrooms. you tub doesnt look fully done either, there shouldn't be any coir uncolonized when you put it in to fruiting.

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: poondocksaint]
    #16194110 - 05/07/12 10:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm jumping in so I can watch this one. I just finished a couple flushes of Pesa that were tiny as well. Second Pesa project in a row that was tiny, so I'm thinking genetics. I'm pretty sure they were from the same vendor, but I can't remember.


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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: big_herb]
    #16194118 - 05/07/12 10:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i know why you have small shrooms the same thing just happened to me. and by the looks of it we had the same problem. you substrate needs to consolidate more. i allowed to much fae during the spawn run and my tub starting knotting early at about 90% colonization. i got huge flushes of super tiny shrooms. you tub doesnt look fully done either, there shouldn't be any coir uncolonized when you put it in to fruiting.




I followed Damions coir tek, which calls for a layer of sub mix to cover exposed grains... So, the top of the sub didn't have any spawn mixed in so its almost like a casing layer... That's why the top didn't finish... I checked all sides and the underneath was solid white and I let it consolidate for about 4 days.

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: Lifted1]
    #16194133 - 05/07/12 10:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm jumping in so I can watch this one. I just finished a couple flushes of Pesa that were tiny as well. Second Pesa project in a row that was tiny, so I'm thinking genetics. I'm pretty sure they were from the same vendor, but I can't remember.




Yeah, I'm hoping its not genetics... But I just got it from a trusted source that my sub likely has too much moisture and thats why the caps are opening early...  So, I'm gonna try his recommendation and see how it goes... Really hope its not gentics... Lol

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: poondocksaint]
    #16194141 - 05/07/12 10:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I had the same issue, nice bulk tubs, but I am guessing I didn't allow enough time to re-consolidate.  I fruited them a bit too early, and now, while I have plenty of pins, they are not very big. at all.  Not when I am used to 20g+ shrooms. 

Here on out I will allow ample time for re-consolidation and not rust this process.

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: poondocksaint]
    #16194168 - 05/07/12 10:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

the top layer in Damion's tek is not a casing layer, it is just there to cover the grains so they are not prone to contamination. if you have uncolonized coir on the top when you fruit it, it become prone to contamination. anything uncolonized except for a proper ph casing layer can be contaminated fairy easily when in fruiting conditions. next time try a week of consolidation under higher co2 levels. when the top is a solid layer of white then fruit it.

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: big_herb]
    #16194180 - 05/07/12 10:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with you big herb, but I believe the casing layer more serves to keep the humidity high near the surface (if you will) of the substrate.  Colonized grains tend to be contamination resistant.

I will also agree that damion's casing layer IS nutritious; clearly not a desirable trait for a casing layer.  Do you have an alternative that works for you?

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: Thadeous]
    #16194189 - 05/07/12 10:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I had the same issue, nice bulk tubs, but I am guessing I didn't allow enough time to re-consolidate.  I fruited them a bit too early, and now, while I have plenty of pins, they are not very big. at all.  Not when I am used to 20g+ shrooms. 

Here on out I will allow ample time for re-consolidation and not rust this process.




I think mine was pretty consolidated.  I had about 20 pins before I even opened it up... From my understanding the sub will tell you when its ready, and my research told me to fruit after about 12 pins formed.  Plus I asked some trusted sources if mine was ready to fruit and was given the green light... I'm hoping its not genetics... Lol

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: big_herb]
    #16194196 - 05/07/12 10:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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the top layer in Damion's tek is not a casing layer, it is just there to cover the grains so they are not prone to contamination. if you have uncolonized coir on the top when you fruit it, it become prone to contamination. anything uncolonized except for a proper ph casing layer can be contaminated fairy easily when in fruiting conditions. next time try a week of consolidation under higher co2 levels. when the top is a solid layer of white then fruit it.




I didn't say it was a casing layer, I just said , "so its almost like a casing layer." All I did was follow the tek to a T.  If you do that you will usually be fine...

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: poondocksaint]
    #16194249 - 05/07/12 10:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I fully recommend using the top layer of sub after mixing evenly, as opposed to just mixing evenly. I'm doing both right now, as a test, and the tubs with the top layer just seem to be moving a long much better. I can't tell you why.


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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: Lifted1]
    #16194262 - 05/07/12 10:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I fully recommend using the top layer of sub after mixing evenly, as opposed to just mixing evenly. I'm doing both right now, as a test, and the tubs with the top layer just seem to be moving a long much better. I can't tell you why.




Yeah, I don't deviate from the tek... It's usually nothing but trouble when you do.  I mean, these teks have been tried and tested many times by many different people.  So I think they're good.  Plus the people that came up with them know a shit ton more then I do when it comes to this stuff, so I just follow the tek.

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: poondocksaint]
    #16194279 - 05/07/12 10:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

For what it's worth, I've never managed to get a tub to go completely white on top.  Ever.  I usually give it about 14 days after spawning to consolidate.  Sometimes it pins by 14 days, sometimes I need to give it a breath of fresh air to trigger it.  My current tub is at the end of it's second flush, and the top layer still looks like mostly uncolonized coir, as opposed to mycelium-laden spawn.  Whatever works for you.  I have a second tub that I skipped out on the "frosting/casing" layer, because why not.  It seems to be doing alright.  It's on day 15 and I just put in the poly last night.

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16194307 - 05/07/12 10:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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For what it's worth, I've never managed to get a tub to go completely white on top.  Ever.  I usually give it about 14 days after spawning to consolidate.  Sometimes it pins by 14 days, sometimes I need to give it a breath of fresh air to trigger it.  My current tub is at the end of it's second flush, and the top layer still looks like mostly uncolonized coir, as opposed to mycelium-laden spawn.  Whatever works for you.  I have a second tub that I skipped out on the "frosting/casing" layer, because why not.  It seems to be doing alright.  It's on day 15 and I just put in the poly last night.




Nice, man... Yeah I had about almost 15 days total for me after spawn... Then I had about 20 pins form, so it was time to fruit.  Ive got pins popping up everywhere now, lol.  And I know cubes don't need a casing layer and the only reason I "frosted" mine was because that what the tek had.  Everything was done to spec.  Only thing I changed was I used more spawn to speed up colonization and because I was only doing one tub and had more spawn than it called for... Lol

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Re: what's up with these lil guys? w/pics... [Re: poondocksaint]
    #16194337 - 05/07/12 11:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds exactly like mine.  I use about 7 quart jars per 1 brick of coir with verm.  Rye is cheap, right?  Why not make your tubs pack a bigger punch.  As for the frosting layer, I deliberately chose not to do it on this tub to experiment.  I figured it would colonize faster.

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    #16194389 - 05/07/12 11:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Sounds exactly like mine.  I use about 7 quart jars per 1 brick of coir with verm.  Rye is cheap, right?  Why not make your tubs pack a bigger punch.  As for the frosting layer, I deliberately chose not to do it on this tub to experiment.  I figured it would colonize faster.




Well, this is my first grow ever so I ordered a cpl of 3 lb rye bags, but I plan on going with a 1:1 ratio from here on out... And I don't think rye is that expensive... Lol

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