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Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP
    #16185018 - 05/05/12 06:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

guys im dumbfounded. i would so sincerely appreciate your advice. for the sake of brevity, i'll summarize as follows: i purchased "let's grow mushrooms" DVD, followed it down to the most minute detail, made BRF cakes in 12 half pint jars, injected the spores, within 3 weeks had beautiful mycelium-filled jars, removed the mycelium cakes from the jars, submerged em in water for 24 hours, then rolled em all in dry vermiculite, and then placed each in a wet perlite growing chamber. the growing chamber has many holes drilled, maintains anywhere from 80% to 90% humidity, and temp is usually 80 degrees. again, i wanna emphasize that i have done EXACTLY as instructed on "let's grown mushrooms" DVD. since i have put the cakes in the growing chamber about 6 days ago now, there's been very little activity. yeah, there's a tiny bit of sprouts. but, very very little. the ONLY thing that i can think of that i might have done wrong (believe me, i am critiquing myself bigtime) is - when i first put the BRF-mycelium cakes in the growing chamber, i misted the cakes and the growing chamber with TAP water (which, of course, has trace amounts of chlorine and fluoride). and, approximately once per day, i take the lid off and mist the cakes and growing chamber LIGHTLY as well. EVERYTHING seemed to be working perfectly! suddenly, my last stage of this process seems to be fizzling! believe me, ANY advice, ANY thoughts, would be so very much appreciated.


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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: ayamichelle]
    #16185036 - 05/05/12 07:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ayamichelle said:
guys im dumbfounded. i would so sincerely appreciate your advice.
for the sake of brevity, i'll summarize as follows: i purchased "let's grow mushrooms" DVD, followed it down to the most minute detail, made BRF cakes in 12 half pint jars, injected the spores, within 3 weeks had beautiful mycelium-filled jars, removed the mycelium cakes from the jars, submerged em in water for 24 hours, then rolled em all in dry vermiculite, and then placed each in a wet perlite growing chamber.

the growing chamber has many holes drilled, maintains anywhere from 80% to 90% humidity, and temp is usually 80 degrees. again, i wanna emphasize that i have done EXACTLY as instructed on "let's grown mushrooms" DVD. since i have put the cakes in the growing chamber about 6 days ago now, there's been very little activity. yeah, there's a tiny bit of sprouts. but, very very little.

the ONLY thing that i can think of that i might have done wrong (believe me, i am critiquing myself bigtime) is - when i first put the BRF-mycelium cakes in the growing chamber, i misted the cakes and the growing chamber with TAP water (which, of course, has trace amounts of chlorine and fluoride).

and, approximately once per day, i take the lid off and mist the cakes and growing chamber LIGHTLY as well. EVERYTHING seemed to be working perfectly! suddenly, my last stage of this process seems to be fizzling! believe me, ANY advice, ANY thoughts, would be so very much appreciated.




My advice:
1) Take a breath, and learn to format your posts
2) post pics
3) one light misting a day isn't going to do it
4) many holes does not necessarily mean a 1/4" hole every two inches all the way around all six sides
5) tap water is fine, post pics


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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: ayamichelle]
    #16185038 - 05/05/12 07:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Did you let consolidate for a week after 100 % ? Tap water isn't going to hurt but if your that worried get a brita purifier  . Misting then fanning = evaporation which = pinning

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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: ayamichelle]
    #16185048 - 05/05/12 07:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The tap water should be fine as I have never used anything else. It sounds as if the dunk and roll after you birthed your cakes could have slowed the process. I've seen it happen. Sometimes it does the trick and sometimes it doesn't. Personally, I did pf cakes once until I found bird seed at wal mart just blew it e fuck away. Check out bird seed teks and damions coir Tek in the search function and you'll be rolling around in your fairy patch....I prefer to go big or go home. It is more of a risk but it is definitely worth it. Also, 80 degrees is good to colonize, but to fruit you need around 70 degrees for big meaty fruits. The cake itself produces some heat it becomes colonized. So it might be hotter htan 80 degrees in th cake. Idk, I'm just tryna help.

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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: joshisstoned]
    #16185054 - 05/05/12 07:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Just listen to what doc says.... It's where I learned most.....

Where you been doc if you don't mind me asking? Ain't seen you around here in at least a year.

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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: joshisstoned]
    #16185058 - 05/05/12 07:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Here and there. I was banned for a while.


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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: Doc_T]
    #16185062 - 05/05/12 07:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry Doc_T.

How's this? Thanks so much for your reply. I will post details, pics, etc. late tonight. Unfortunately, I have a full day ahead of me and have to run for now.

But, I'll post more details and pics tonight - pics of my growing chamber, my cakes, etc.

Thanks again. Please look for my post by early tomorrow morning at the latest.


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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: Doc_T]
    #16185064 - 05/05/12 07:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Welcome back. Damn that sucks. I always enjoyed your posts. Hope life is well for you. Still throwing out awesome advice.

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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: SimpleFarmer]
    #16185073 - 05/05/12 07:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Simple Farmer! Thanks!

Did I let consolidate after 100%. I'm sorry, I dont know what you mean. I don't recall any mention of this on the DVD. Bottom line? Are you saying that, after 100%, I should let the jars sit for perhaps a week before doing the dunk and roll?

I gotta for for now. Have a full day. But, look for me to be very active in this forum going forward. I've invested a lot of time and money in my brand new "farm". I gotta get this right. So, i'll be around believe me.


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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: ayamichelle]
    #16185107 - 05/05/12 07:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It is strongly recommend . So that might be your problem it just might take a little longer in the fc

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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: SimpleFarmer]
    #16185152 - 05/05/12 07:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Doc T, I'm attaching pics here.

Again, I have to run (actually I'm running late now). But, I wanted to post these pics. By the way, the reality is, I have been misting the inside of my growing chamber twice per day. In the morning, and then in the evening. Probably isn't enough misting, huh? I even thought about getting an aquarium humidifier/fogger. Hey, I'm clearly an amateur. But, I will do WHATEVER I have to do to get this right. I've invested alot of time and money, believe me. This isn't meant to be a one-off deal for me. So, your advice will be utilized down to the detail. I appreciate your help!!!



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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: ayamichelle]
    #16185193 - 05/05/12 08:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I like your determination.  Elevate your tub off the floor.  Put some jars under it to get some circulation beneath.  Otherwise, looking good!

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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: ayamichelle]
    #16185196 - 05/05/12 08:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That's a ton of holes did you measure them out every 2 in? Secondly with ms syringes you may not even see pins for another week. I know I didn't see pins on my cakes until 2 weeks in. My advice: chill out.

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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #16185208 - 05/05/12 08:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Wow didn't even catch that it was sitting on the floor. :blush:

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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: roots50]
    #16186683 - 05/05/12 04:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Definitely get it off the floor. One of the main things that makes the SGFC work is the movement of air through the perlite, from underneath.

I actually did my first pf tek grow using RR's video and missed the consolidation part as well. This definitely increased the time I had to wait for pins as I didn't see anything until day 10. This makes perfect sense since most people (who do consolidate) report pinning within a couple days. So, 7 days consolidation + 1 day dunk + 2 days in FC = 10 days. Exactly where I ended up.

Those are actually 1 pint cakes, not 1/2 pint, so that may add to the time as well since the mycellium has quite a bit more ground to cover. They look really healthy though, good luck and patience is key for sure!

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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #16187828 - 05/05/12 08:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you guys are AWESOME!!!

hey Doc_T, i'd sincerely appreciate any advice you have after seeing my pics and reading my "conclusions from today" below. thanks for your help!!

this is my first ever grow attempt and, while i'd love to do it right the first time, its kind of a trial run i suppose. im definitely learning from my mistakes.

so, here's what i've learned today with your help (and, if i'm wrong about any of these, somebody please correct me!):

1. once 100% colonized, let the jars consolidate for a week before the dunk and roll.
2. 80'ish degrees is good for colonization, but a little lower is good for fruiting.
3. elevate fruiting chamber off the floor for air flow from the bottom (duh! im an idiot!) - we're elevated now!
4. mist inside of fruiting chamber more often.
5. yeah, i guess i drilled waayyy too many holes for my fruiting chamber. obviously i assumed incorrectly when i concluded that "the more the better" from the DVD. im gonna run with this fruiting chamber for these cakes. i'll make another, with a lot less holes, for my next batch.

by the way (reply to forcekin), im using 1/2 pint jars (8oz). i could not find the short squatty 1/2 pint jars that they used in the DVD. the 1/2 pint jars im using are taller and look just like the pint jars, especially if you're looking at em in a pic and dont have something next to them from which to determine scale.

thank you!!!!!!!


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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: ayamichelle]
    #16187855 - 05/05/12 08:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

When you say " misting the inside" what do you mean? The sides of the fc or cakes or perlite?

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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: SimpleFarmer]
    #16187880 - 05/05/12 09:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thanks simple farmer.

when im misting the inside of the fc, im misting everything. i mist the inside walls of the fc, the cakes (but not so much that the vermiculite runs off), and the perlite. is this cool?

as a side note, what's wrong with attaching an aquarium humidifier/fogger? just a thought i had. that would keep the inside of the fc moist all the freakin' time.

thanks again


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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: ayamichelle]
    #16187894 - 05/05/12 09:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The water you see on the walls of the fc is condensation and not an indicator of humidity , in a properly built sgfc there so be no condensation .. I'm not telling you not to do it , do whatever floats your boat .. It's just not necessary with a sgfc . I will hook you up with some info let me find it real quick ..

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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: SimpleFarmer]
    #16187933 - 05/05/12 09:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Scroll down about 1/4 of the page and it says part 2 of casing http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8468477#8468477

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    #16188025 - 05/05/12 09:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hey simplefarmer, that link rocks!

thanks so much, there's a TON of great info in there. im gonna print that entire thread out and read it thoroughly.


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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: ayamichelle]
    #16191958 - 05/06/12 07:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Simple Farmer! Thanks!

Did I let consolidate after 100%. I'm sorry, I dont know what you mean. I don't recall any mention of this on the DVD. Bottom line? Are you saying that, after 100%, I should let the jars sit for perhaps a week before doing the dunk and roll?

I gotta for for now. Have a full day. But, look for me to be very active in this forum going forward. I've invested a lot of time and money in my brand new "farm". I gotta get this right. So, i'll be around believe me.




I would bet this is your problem.  I'm a noob too.  I made the mistake of birthing my cakes only a few days after all the outer substrate was colonized.  The extra time is to allow the myc to establish a better hold on the substrate.  Since I birthed too early my cakes spent nearly 3 weeks in the SGFC before I saw pins.  If this is your problem, I can tell you from experience that you are going to have to develop some EXTRA patience and do your best to keep those cakes hydrated.  The amount of time they will be spending in the FC before you see pins will dry them out if you aren't careful.  Good luck!


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Re: Late Stage Growing Advice - PLEASE HELP [Re: SapphiredUp]
    #16193931 - 05/07/12 08:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ayamichelle said:
Simple Farmer! Thanks!

Did I let consolidate after 100%. I'm sorry, I dont know what you mean. I don't recall any mention of this on the DVD. Bottom line? Are you saying that, after 100%, I should let the jars sit for perhaps a week before doing the dunk and roll?

I gotta for for now. Have a full day. But, look for me to be very active in this forum going forward. I've invested a lot of time and money in my brand new "farm". I gotta get this right. So, i'll be around believe me.




I would bet this is your problem.  I'm a noob too.  I made the mistake of birthing my cakes only a few days after all the outer substrate was colonized.  The extra time is to allow the myc to establish a better hold on the substrate.  Since I birthed too early my cakes spent nearly 3 weeks in the SGFC before I saw pins.  If this is your problem, I can tell you from experience that you are going to have to develop some EXTRA patience and do your best to keep those cakes hydrated.  The amount of time they will be spending in the FC before you see pins will dry them out if you aren't careful.  Good luck!




Bingo! This is spot on.

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